Jason Young to get new trial #3

[Landonsmom02]

And, that is incorrect. After many search warrants issued for the Young's financial records, they were never able to find that they were in debt or that money was a problem or a motive in MY's death.

Also, Jason opened up some lines of credit of his own after MY's death.....

Not in finacial trouble but the heat upstairs wasn't working and the garage door opener was broken. Also in the search warrants it states that MY was upset that he had paid for a trip to CA for his family. And one of the reasons for LF to move in was to not have to pay for additional child care. And just because their bills were paid on time doesn't mean that they didn't had alot on their plate and with another baby coming things were going to get stressful. Plus they were landlords of that condo and were responsible for fixing things and taking care of stuff there. My husband and I both have good jobs and make good money. But we also have 2 kids, a mortgage, loans, car payments and everday house hold bills. They are paid on time but it is still stressful even with a budget. If my hubby up and took a trip and paid for his entire family I would be pissed too. Actually I was pissed at him last week when he went and bought a new car without consulting with me first...lol.

 

[JusticeFever]

May have?? :facepalm: Bottom line it didn't. Remember sticking to facts in this case is best.

How do we know what was said between individuals who were having a conversation after learning that someone who died?

Was it like the conversation that JY told Heather she would be a good Mother, and then later we learned it was completely taken out of context, and in reference to her saying something calming to JY?

 

[Landonsmom02]

Here is a fact............A certified podiatrist never testified at either trial though and according to that link, he also never personally examined JY's feet .

Hopefully he will at the next trial. How could he? JY hid in the moutains of Brevard with Mama.

 

[otto]

Didn't JY have multiple lines of credit open??

Michelle was an accountant. Both Michelle and Jason were well educated and fully employed. If they could afford a rental property, and a 2800 square foot home, then they were doing fine financially. They were not experiencing financial problems such that they felt it was necessary to sell their rental property, or downsize from a huge house to a more modest one. Furthermore, any financial changes related to the birth of the baby were more than a year into the future - at which time many decisions could have been made to manage their finances with two children and Michelle working 30 hours/wk (partially working from home). I think it was premature to state that because the family was in the process of balancing their finances for 24 weeks in the future (after the baby was born), that is a motive for murder.

 

[JusticeFever]

But remember Landonsmom, if we stck to facts, there is only one logical conclusion isn't there? And so many want to avoid, change, or modify these facts because they want JY to be innocent.

Or maybe just looking at the case objectively and noticing all these pieces that do not fit!

 

[Landonsmom02]

How do we know what was said between individuals who were having a conversation after learning that someone who died?

Was it like the conversation that JY told Heather she would be a good Mother, and then later we learned it was completely taken out of context, and in reference to her saying something calming to JY?

That's just it though, the enitre conversation was mentioned. Who in their right mind thinks about selling a home hours after their wife was murdered???? What reason would LF have to lie about that. At that time they didn't think JY was responsible. Not the first day.

 

[tarheellvr]

Michelle was an accountant. Both Michelle and Jason were well educated and fully employed. If they could afford a rental property, and a 2800 square foot home, then they were doing fine financially. They were not experiencing financial problems such that they felt it was necessary to sell their rental property, or downsize from a huge house to a more modest one. Furthermore, any financial changes related to the birth of the baby were more than a year into the future - at which time many decisions could have been made to manage their finances with two children and Michelle working 30 hours/wk (partially working from home). I think it was premature to state that because the family was in the process of balancing their finances for 24 weeks in the future (after the baby was born), that is a motive for murder.

When/where did tLE say finances was the motive for the murder???????

 

[otto]

Incorrect.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/02/23/1878517/sorority-sister-says-michelle.html

RALEIGH — A former sorority sister of Michelle Young testified Thursday that Michelle's husband, Jason Young, pressed to buy $1 million life insurance policies for both of them shortly before her death.

From the witness stand, Fiona Childs said her friend considered the amount excessive. After Young died, Childs said she learned the policy was actually higher - $2 million with a rider stating that the amount be doubled in the case of accidental death.​

2. According to witness testimony during both trial 1 and 2, there were some financial strains occurring. More than 1 witness talked about MY's concerns about the spending of $$$, the added strain of cutting back her work hours, why she didn't want to have to hire help once the baby arrived ($$$) when her own mother was available, etc, etc. Finances and financial strain and pressure was one of the areas of conflict in that marriage.

Financial planning for 24 weeks into the future; after the baby was born, was an area of discussion for the family. Finances were not a problem at the time of the murder. How to plan for the future had not been resolved, but there were still six months to have discussions and make plans.

I seem to recall that Jason was not at the meeting where Michelle met with her friend to modify her insurance policy. Michelle may have stated that she was making chances at her husband's request, but did he attend that meeting?

 

[tarheellvr]

If I remember correctly, the DA's office used this info along with MUCH MORE at trial when presenting their case........

 

[JusticeFever]

Michelle was an accountant. Both Michelle and Jason were well educated and fully employed. If they could afford a rental property, and a 2800 square foot home, then they were doing fine financially. They were not experiencing financial problems such that they felt it was necessary to sell their rental property, or downsize from a huge house to a more modest one. Furthermore, any financial changes related to the birth of the baby were more than a year into the future - at which time many decisions could have been made to manage their finances with two children and Michelle working 30 hours/wk (partially working from home). I think it was premature to state that because the family was in the process of balancing their finances for 24 weeks in the future (after the baby was born), that is a motive for murder.

Their salaries combined were very impressive and not those of a family struggling to make ends meet.
Michelle wanted her Mom to live with them after the baby came and of course it would help with the cost of child care, but, that also meant MY was planning to go back to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Landonsmom02]

Indeed. Hard to tell what people wanted who had already formed an opinion of guilty.

So I just did an expeirment. IMO, I think he taped the lock. I'm pretty sure if he had flipped the handle at the top KH would have noticed. Here in the doctors office I work in I just placed 2 pieces of scotch tape across the lock. Now it doesn't keep it pushed in but when shutting the door it won't catch and I can open and close the door without turing the handle. Then with that in placed I hung my lunch bag on the handle and it didn't open the door or anything. I'm pretty sure my lunch bag weighs more than the newspaper too. Also the same handle that is picture at HI is the same we have here, where you have to push down the handle for the door to open. Then I hung my purse, which in the words of my hubby has everything in it but the kitchen sink, on handle and it pushed it down but the door never cracked open or anything. Now surely my purse and lunch bag weighs more than a paper did?

 

[tarheellvr]

That's just it though, the enitre conversation was mentioned. Who in their right mind thinks about selling a home hours after their wife was murdered???? What reason would LF have to lie about that. At that time they didn't think JY was responsible. Not the first day.

Someone who spends time planning a murder........he had thought of the house often I'm sure.

In his stupidity, he blurted out to Linda what he had been thinking about while planning this murder.

 

[JusticeFever]

When/where did tLE say finances was the motive for the murder???????

In the search warrants released, it was stated over and over again, that there was a substantial life insurance policy on Michelle(and the same amount on Jason) that Michelle was planning on cutting back at work, and that they were having financial difficulties.

It's been stated before none of these are true,except the life insurance policy which JY would never be able to cash, Michelle and her boss were working on a plan she submitted to keep her at full time status, and there were no signs of financial problems.

 

[Nymeria]

So I just did an expeirment. IMO, I think he taped the lock. I'm pretty sure if he had flipped the handle at the top KH would have noticed. Here in the doctors office I work in I just placed 2 pieces of scotch tape across the lock. Now it doesn't keep it pushed in but when shutting the door it won't catch and I can open and close the door without turing the handle. Then with that in placed I hung my lunch bag on the handle and it didn't open the door or anything. I'm pretty sure my lunch bad weighs more than the newspaper too. Also the same handle that is picture at HI is the same we have here, where you have to push down the handle for the door to open. Then I hung my purse, which in the words of my hubby has everything in it but the kitchen sink, on handle and it pushed it down but the door never cracked open or anything. Now surely my purse and lunch bag weighs more than a paper did?

Nice :detective: job LM

 

[otto]

That's just it though, the enitre conversation was mentioned. Who in their right mind thinks about selling a home hours after their wife was murdered???? What reason would LF have to lie about that. At that time they didn't think JY was responsible. Not the first day.

Anyone that had just lost a spouse would be under a lot stress and would not be thinking clearly. It sounds like his mind was racing through how his life would change now that he was alone with a young child. Where he would live, and how he would manage, would very definitely be a concern. It sounds like he very quickly realized that he could no longer live in his home. If he had murdered his wife for the insurance money, that would not have been an issue, as he would have been counting on the insurance money to cover the costs.

 

[otto]

When/where did tLE say finances was the motive for the murder???????

That discussion is upthread.

 

[Landonsmom02]

Nice :detective: job LM

Thanks. I took pics with my phone and I sent them to my work computer but since I work in BFE....it may be a while before they reach my computer. I will post once they are downloaded on my puter

 

[JusticeFever]

So, now JY had a roll of scotch tape, maybe he got it from the front desk when he checked in!

Unless, the doors are the same as the HI , and the locks are the same, it wouldn't work. Those doors are heavy, and a thin piece of scotch tape would not keep the door from completely closing.

 

[Madeleine74]

Made up facts and evidence... Lol I'll pass. Testimony trumps every time, for me.

 

[otto]

So I just did an expeirment. IMO, I think he taped the lock. I'm pretty sure if he had flipped the handle at the top KH would have noticed. Here in the doctors office I work in I just placed 2 pieces of scotch tape across the lock. Now it doesn't keep it pushed in but when shutting the door it won't catch and I can open and close the door without turing the handle. Then with that in placed I hung my lunch bag on the handle and it didn't open the door or anything. I'm pretty sure my lunch bag weighs more than the newspaper too. Also the same handle that is picture at HI is the same we have here, where you have to push down the handle for the door to open. Then I hung my purse, which in the words of my hubby has everything in it but the kitchen sink, on handle and it pushed it down but the door never cracked open or anything. Now surely my purse and lunch bag weighs more than a paper did?

It's a pretty big risk to take - relying on scotch tape to prevent a door automatically locking. Furthermore, tape might hold for the first five minutes, but over time, and under pressure, it tends to give.