Jason Young to get new trial

[MyBelle]

He couldn't have cleaned her up. She was found clean, dry, not hungry, not thirsty 15+ hours after she would have been put to bed. It just doesn't make any sense. Just because MF testified about it, doesn't make it so. Her story was ever changing. I really don't understand why you don't see the red flags with her. How do you ignore a witness blindly describing a woman who fits her description exactly at the scene that morning? Why are her keys on the hood of MY's Lexus? Why no blood on her clothing? Why three versions of how she found C.? Why do you accept it so easily? We deserve to have these things investigated and answered. These are people's lives.

Are you suggesting that "it happened this way" must be accepted even if it doesn't make sense? This is how wrongful convictions occur. People put blinders on to logic and common sense and let the State have their "win" without evidence.

Michelle and her daughter deserve to have these things investigated.

Far too much hasn't made sense for me and I think anyone with a 2-year-old child would have a difficult time believing CY was left alone all that time yet seemed to have no reaction to it. Wasn't wet, wasn't hungry, wasn't crying for Mommy to wake up. If JY was supposedly responsible, why wasn't he charged with child endangerment?

For a comparable case one only has to look at the Jesse Davis murder. Her 2-year-old son, Blake was the best witness. He was found hungry, upset, talking about Mommy crying. His father not only was charged with murder, he was charged with child endangerment.

JMO

 

[tarheellvr]

Every single time I come to this forum, my blood just boils. I'm going to stay away from JY's followers for the time being. I just can't and won't read this ridiculous character assination of Cassidy's "parental figure."

Bringing Meredith back into this is just going way too damn far! Meredith....the sister who took care of Cassidy when Michelle went back to work after her birth, Meredith......the sister who spent hours counseling Michelle and JY regrding all the problems in their marriage, Meredith......the sister who graciously and lovingly took Cassidy after JY handed her over to avoid any and all deposition or testimony, Meredith....the sister who is raising Cassidy while keeping her Mommy alive by sharing memories, photos, etc...something the Young family cared not one iota about when they kept this little girl from the only birth family on her Mommy's side and not to mention how Meredith and Mrs. Fisher fought to be a part of Cassidy's life because they LOVED this child.

Insinuating Meredith committed JY's henious deed is simply WRONG.....I find myself at a loss of words trying to say how horrible this is. The ONLY person who cleaned Cassidy was JY when he drugged her so she would sleep until Meredith got there.....his frantic calls....his many, many, many calls to Mama....he KNEW she was there with her Mommy's body, he KNEW she needed to be tended too.....he KNEW the carnage he left in the house he shared with Michelle.

Say what you will.....think what you want, but Jy slaughtered his wife and left their daughter alone with her Mommy's body, there is NOTHING more henious......except perhaps the complete slaughter and over-kill of Michelle. There IS circumstantial evidence that points directly to JY. As Shelley said..."We wanted to believe him, but how unlucky can one man be?" and this is what this case is all about. Put ALL the circumstantial evidence together and you have a perfect circle. In this circle is JY because NOBODY else took the last breath from this beautiful, loving, intelligent woman. EVERY person that knows them thinks so....well perhaps not the Young clan/followers, but I really think in their heart some of them KNOW he did!!

Take over this forum if you will, have at it.....but in the end he will pay.....JY will PAY FOR WHAT HER DID TO MICHELLE!

RIP Michelle and Rylan.

 

[Nymeria]

I wish you would hang around Tarheel, all voices need to be heard.
You can use the ignore feature if you really want to disregard some posts.

I appreciate your thoughts/posts/info, as someone just coming into this case and trying to learn as much as I can.

 

[sunshine05]

Every single time I come to this forum, my blood just boils. I'm going to stay away from JY's followers for the time being. I just can't and won't read this ridiculous character assination of Cassidy's "parental figure."

Bringing Meredith back into this is just going way too damn far! Meredith....the sister who took care of Cassidy when Michelle went back to work after her birth, Meredith......the sister who spent hours counseling Michelle and JY regrding all the problems in their marriage, Meredith......the sister who graciously and lovingly took Cassidy after JY handed her over to avoid any and all deposition or testimony, Meredith....the sister who is raising Cassidy while keeping her Mommy alive by sharing memories, photos, etc...something the Young family cared not one iota about when they kept this little girl from the only birth family on her Mommy's side and not to mention how Meredith and Mrs. Fisher fought to be a part of Cassidy's life because they LOVED this child.

Insinuating Meredith committed JY's henious deed is simply WRONG.....I find myself at a loss of words trying to say how horrible this is. The ONLY person who cleaned Cassidy was JY when he drugged her so she would sleep until Meredith got there.....his frantic calls....his many, many, many calls to Mama....he KNEW she was there with her Mommy's body, he KNEW she needed to be tended too.....he KNEW the carnage he left in the house he shared with Michelle.

Say what you will.....think what you want, but Jy slaughtered his wife and left their daughter alone with her Mommy's body, there is NOTHING more henious......except perhaps the complete slaughter and over-kill of Michelle. There IS circumstantial evidence that points directly to JY. As Shelley said..."We wanted to believe him, but how unlucky can one man be?" and this is what this case is all about. Put ALL the circumstantial evidence together and you have a perfect circle. In this circle is JY because NOBODY else took the last breath from this beautiful, loving, intelligent woman. EVERY person that knows them thinks so....well perhaps not the Young clan/followers, but I really think in their heart some of them KNOW he did!!

Take over this forum if you will, have at it.....but in the end he will pay.....JY will PAY FOR WHAT HER DID TO MICHELLE!

RIP Michelle and Rylan.

First, I'm not a JY "follower". This isn't about taking sides. I just don't believe the case is solved. This isn't a vendetta against MF. I am simply pointing out that there are a lot of red flags around her story, her actions that night and physical evidence (lack of dog prints, missing dog, keys on Lexus) that needs to be pursued if we are ever to understand what happened to MY.

If your blood is boiling, it shouldn't be. Calm down and have an open mind and really take a look at all of the things that just don't fit about this case. Believe me, if it was clear-cut I would not be wasting my time still researching this case. I can't let it go though because I know it's unresolved and innocent people should not be made to suffer.

 

[Landonsmom02]

You are correct that nobody knows what she saw. In fact, we don't even know that the killer was someone who loved her, do we? Aren't you making an assumption?

"MF found her under the covers and then she clung to her..." Allegedly. We really don't know as there were three version of how CY was found. I doubt she was even in the bedroom when she placed the call.

BBM

No if the killer was someone random and didn't care for her she would have been harmed and she wouldn't have been cleaned.

 

[Landonsmom02]

It is my understanding that CY did not attend the funeral or funeral home.

So if her family shielded her from the funeral do you really think they are going to talk about how her mother was killed in front of her. Nope......she re-acted what she saw that night.

 

[JusticeFever]

The first trial ended with a hung jury. The second trial ended with a Guilty Verdict, but the Jurors questioned whether Jason acted alone, that he had help, because of the timeline. The timeline has always been an major issue in this case. There are many unanswered questions and things that do not add up. It took LE 3 years to make an arrest even after an eye witness identified him and placed him somewhere he should not have been. Therefore, it seemed LE did not have enough faith in their star witness to arrest him. Why? Why not? Yet, they put her on the stand and wanted the Jury to believe in her,apparently, something they could not do themselves, at least enough to bring Young in for questioning or probable cause. There is nothing wrong in making the pieces of a case fit, but its another thing to try and keep forcing the pieces until you get the picture you want. JMO.

 

[Landonsmom02]

Michelle and her daughter deserve to have these things investigated.

Far too much hasn't made sense for me and I think anyone with a 2-year-old child would have a difficult time believing CY was left alone all that time yet seemed to have no reaction to it. Wasn't wet, wasn't hungry, wasn't crying for Mommy to wake up. If JY was supposedly responsible, why wasn't he charged with child endangerment?

For a comparable case one only has to look at the Jesse Davis murder. Her 2-year-old son, Blake was the best witness. He was found hungry, upset, talking about Mommy crying. His father not only was charged with murder, he was charged with child endangerment.

JMO

BBM
Of course she wasn't hungry. Daddy gave her fruit snacks. I'm tired of the accusation against MF. She is and never was a suspect of LEO. Noone wants to believe this but if CY had seen someone else there, like MF, don't you think she would have told the Youngs? And you can bet your bottom dollar that as much as his sister and the beloved teacher from Brevard defended him here on the internet, they would have notified LE. If I had info that pointed away from my loved one I would tell LE. IMO, they took her away and kept her from the Fisher's because they knew she saw daddy there.

Hey you local Brevard people here posting, Did GoJo pass away?

 

[sunshine05]

BBM

No if the killer was someone random and didn't care for her she would have been harmed and she wouldn't have been cleaned.

Are you familiar with the Michael Morton case? He was wrongfully convicted and served 25 years for the murder of his wife. The 3 year old son was left alone in the house and it was in fact a random killer, no connection and not someone who cared for the child. It took 25 years for the truth to surface.

I agree that she was cleaned, fed and dressed when she was found. Impossible for JY to have done all of those things when he was in Virginia. MF could have cared for her though.

 

[Nymeria]

Are you familiar with the Michael Morton case? He was wrongfully convicted and served 25 years for the murder of his wife. The 3 year old son was left alone in the house and it was in fact a random killer, no connection and not someone who cared for the child. It took 25 years for the truth to surface.

I agree that she was cleaned, fed and dressed when she was found. Impossible for JY to have done all of those things when he was in Virginia. MF could have cared for her though.

*BBM*
Should that not say you believe he was in Virginia?

Or is there definitive proof he was? And if that is the case, why were/are there trials?

I think I should not try to learn facts about this case from this thread maybe :facepalm:
I appreciate opinions and theories, but I need to take more care in taking anything as proven, I guess.

 

[sunshine05]

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BBM
Of course she wasn't hungry. Daddy gave her fruit snacks.
He would have arrived in Raleigh at 3AM but was in King (according to the State) at 5:27AM. That would have given him a total of 15 minutes to enter, do the murder, clean all the blood from himself, change clothes then clean CY up, drug her, put her to bed, find a place to dump the murder weapon and bloody clothing somewhere too and he thought to feed her fruit snacks? Wow. Even if she had been given them, wouldn't she have been hungry by 1:30PM?


I'm tired of the accusation against MF. She is and never was a suspect of LEO.
We really don't know if she was a suspect or what they did to investigate her. Police have been known to overlook suspects even when it's staring right at them. I'm not accusing anyone of anything though. I am just trying to understand all of the things that can't be explained about her because I believe it is key to understanding the case.


Noone wants to believe this but if CY had seen someone else there, like MF, don't you think she would have told the Youngs?
I don't personally believe that she witnessed the murder. Did you know that CY had one of those child proof knobs on her bedroom door so that the killer could have easily contained her to her bedroom?

And you can bet your bottom dollar that as much as his sister and the beloved teacher from Brevard defended him here on the internet, they would have notified LE. If I had info that pointed away from my loved one I would tell LE.
We really don't know what they told LE and what LE chose to do with the information. Poor investigations do happen all the time.

IMO, they took her away and kept her from the Fisher's because they knew she saw daddy there.
That's a pretty awful thing to suggest that. You don't know them but they seem to be a nice family and it's unfair for you to accuse them of that. I know they love JY but it would take a pretty sick person to cover for someone, even a family member who would be capable of such a horrible crime and I just don't believe the Young family would do that. I believe we can discuss this case without resorting to these kinds of tactics. Stick to the facts and the evidence.

I believe that when things got ugly and LF went to the media and outwardly accused JY of murder, they had every right to try to keep C. from them and any good parent would do the same. It is wrong to fault them for this.

Hey you local Brevard people here posting, Did GoJo pass away?

 

[sunshine05]

*BBM*
Should that not say you believe he was in Virginia?
Or is there definitive proof he was? And if that is the case, why were/are there trials?

I think I should not try to learn facts about this case from this thread maybe :facepalm:
I appreciate opinions and theories, but I need to take more care in taking anything as proven, I guess.

Well according to the State he was in King, NC at 5:27 so he was either enroute to VA or sleeping in his HI bed.

 

[sunshine05]

So if her family shielded her from the funeral do you really think they are going to talk about how her mother was killed in front of her. Nope......she re-acted what she saw that night.

That is speculative at best. Doll play with two female dolls and a barn and farm animals and fruit snacks does not equal "witness to a slaying".

 

[JusticeFever]

The search warrant timing has been bugging me. According to Heather and Mrs Young's testimony , they were not allowed to take anything from Jason's vehicle when they arrived back in Raleigh that night. Heather said that she and her husband went out to retrieve their luggage and 2 police cars pulled up with a warrant telling them to put their stuff back in. They asked her where Jason was. She said in the house. They then asked her if there was another exit he could leave from.
But the actual search warrant was not issued until 3:15 am, and signed at 4:am, they did not have one when Jason returned to Raleigh like they said.
Link:

http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/pdf/youngsearchwarrant2.pdf

 

[Nymeria]

Well according to the State he was in King, NC at 5:27 so he was either enroute to VA or sleeping in his HI bed.

Alright.
I thought you were saying in Virginia (or his hotel) during the entirety of the events of the night. Which is fine if you believe that, I just read it as "fact".

Thank You.

 

[Nymeria]

The search warrant timing has been bugging me. According to Heather and Mrs Young's testimony , they were not allowed to take anything from Jason's vehicle when they arrived back in Raleigh that night. Heather said that she and her husband went out to retrieve their luggage and 2 police cars pulled up with a warrant telling them to put their stuff back in. They asked her where Jason was. She said in the house. They then asked her if there was another exit he could leave from.
But the actual search warrant was not issued until 3:15 am, and signed at 4:am, they did not have one when Jason returned to Raleigh like they said.
Link:

http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/pdf/youngsearchwarrant2.pdf

Could they have been in the process of getting the warrant (You have to have a Court officials approval to serve the warrant, so maybe they were in process of getting that done)? And asked the family not to touch anything based on that?
I know legally the family could say "screw you" and done what they wanted without the warrant, but maybe they just did what LE said to be safe?

 

[Madeleine74]

Nymeria,

I agree that case facts can get skewed in major ways when being presented through personal filters here. I always say, and firmly believe, when it's possible to see testimony for yourself, or read the court transcripts if those are ever available (they usually are not), it's the best thing to do to get the facts on any case. In this I include whatever legal documents that get published including returned search warrants, affidavits, motions. It is time-consuming for sure, but at least that way you can look at things as they are/were and not morphed into someone's interpretation of it, which is what you are seeing. Fortunately, as you know, this particular case is covered with day-to-day trial video still available on WRAL, so you have a source to check. Also the returned SWs are available on the WRAL site as well. It's a plethora of good source material.

Reading other people's opinions, while interesting, and at times illuminating, is not going to give you the base of factual knowledge with which to determine your own opinion of a case. It does occur that case 'facts' get morphed and then spun in order to support a position. This, btw, can occur on both sides (for guilt or for innocence).

When in doubt about a piece of evidence that was presented in court, go find the video snippet and watch for yourself to see the reality. Even those of us who want to be completely accurate about the evidence are human and a mistake can be made. I have to go check things out myself sometimes too if I can't remember it.

 

[Madeleine74]

Could they have been in the process of getting the warrant (You have to have a Court officials approval to serve the warrant, so maybe they were in process of getting that done)? And asked the family not to touch anything based on that?
I know legally the family could say "screw you" and done what they wanted without the warrant, but maybe they just did what LE said to be safe?

Yes, it takes time to write up a warrant. It's not a 30 to 60 min exercise. Then a judge has to be found (often awoken when it's past midnight), and he has to review it and then sign it. That's just how it goes.

 

[JusticeFever]

Things such as there wasn't a male doll for CY to choose from, that the drive wasn't 2 hours, lights were not turned in the hotel by someone, that no one had ever tampered with the cameras at the hotel before,and, another pair of shoes found in the SUV not included in any inventory and pointed out by Bryan Collins, those things have all been posted here incorrectly.. And, I don't think it means anyone has an agenda.

 

[JusticeFever]

Yes, it takes time to write up a warrant. It's not a 30 to 60 min exercise. Then a judge has to be found (often awoken when it's past midnight), and he has to review it and then sign it. That's just how it goes.

But, the point is, they didn't have one when they said they did or when they seized his SUV..Whether it means anything or not, at this late date, I was just pointing it out.