Jason Young to get new trial

[JusticeFever]

Oh, sorry OK pinning her down on the bed not against the wall. Seems just as abusive to me.
I thought the witness explained why she went back to him very clearly on the stand about her low self image. I am sure you are familiar with abused women frequently returning to their abuser. This is very common for abused women.

It was a one time incident, it was very wrong, he was drunk and I am not making excuses for him. Some of the things Jason said or did can't just be lightly written off, but it still does not make him a murderer. I need more.

 

[Grammy Jean]

Thanks Grammy Jean.

OK. So someone said his ex-fiance said he talked about witnessing an accident where someone suffered head trauma.
I assume that means it happened at the time he was WITH this woman.
SO.. I therefore assume he saw the accident at that time he was engaged to this woman if she was testifying about it?

If my *assumes* are correct..... Why was he googling info about a head injury many years later? (What I am saying is why did is suddenly become important for him to get information about head trauma years after he "saw it").

ETA- Or was he still in contact with "GC" at the time of the murder and "googling" episode?

You bring up a very good point that I would also like more info on. When was this accident JY claimed to have witnessed and when was the google search for head injuries???? Anybody have dates????

 

[JusticeFever]

Thanks Grammy Jean.

OK. So someone said his ex-fiance said he talked about witnessing an accident where someone suffered head trauma.
I assume that means it happened at the time he was WITH this woman.
SO.. I therefore assume he saw the accident at that time he was engaged to this woman if she was testifying about it?

If my *assumes* are correct..... Why was he googling info about a head injury many years later? (What I am saying is why did is suddenly become important for him to get information about head trauma years after he "saw it").

ETA- Or was he still in contact with "GC" at the time of the murder and "googling" episode?

No, it did not happen when he was Gen. The email came later when he was married to Michelle. Don't worry about catching up or trying to learn everything, soon we will be hearing it all again...
The email was written on Sept. 12, 2006.

 

[sunshine05]

You bring up a very good point that I would also like more info on. When was this accident JY claimed to have witnessed and when was the google search for head injuries???? Anybody have dates????

I can't remember exactly but I want to say it was the summer of '06. The searches occurred very close to the time of the accident. This was really a non-issue in this case. None of the jurors even mentioned it as a consideration.

 

[JusticeFever]

All of the court exhibits can be found here, no one is trying to hide anything:

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/asset_gallery/9746298/

 

[Grammy Jean]

I can't remember exactly but I want to say it was the summer of '06. The searches occurred very close to the time of the accident. This was really a non-issue in this case. None of the jurors even mentioned it as a consideration.

What did the jurors mention that they considered??????

 

[JusticeFever]

I can't remember exactly but I want to say it was the summer of '06. The searches occurred very close to the time of the accident. This was really a non-issue in this case. None of the jurors even mentioned it as a consideration.

The car accident with Michelle and Jason was on May 29, 2006. Jason says it was 5 weeks later he came upon a man in an accident, and he held his hand. I have to look up the computer search timeline for head injuries.

 

[Madeleine74]

He told his ex-fiance (Gen) in an email about the accident. He also professed his love for her and basically told her she was the love of his life. At this time Michelle was pregnant with their son, Rylan, and it was a few months or so before her murder. Gen had been married for some period of time herself and had not been in contact with JY for years. The email was sent to a school email address where Gen used to work but she didn't work there anymore. She didn't see the email until some time much later (perhaps as a result of the investigation and LE finding the email on JY's account).

Regarding the removal of rings, don't forget JY either swallowed or pretended to swallow his camp friend's wedding ring a couple weeks or so before MY's murder. The friend was in town for a conference and stayed at JY's house. MY was in NY on a trip. The friend & JY drank, got tipsy, and had sex. The friend was newly married. Then, when MY came home from her trip to NY, that's when JY did the wedding ring thing where he asked the friend to see her ring and he took it and wouldn't give it back (acted like he swallowed it). She had to wait until the next day for him to 'produce' the ring. She testified she was very upset at this. This is also the friend who JY drew the mustache on her face after she fell asleep (drunk, after they had sex).

He has a real issue with engagement/wedding rings. No wonder Michelle's wedding ring /diamond ring was also removed from her finger. Fits a pattern.

 

[sunshine05]

For those interested in how the appeals process works, the Court of Appeals decision in this case was unanimous. Because of that, the State can only submit a PDR (petition for discretionary review) to the Supreme Court. In over 90% of cases with a unanimous CoA decision, the SC denies the PDR and that goes for either side that lost the appeal - in this case the State lost. I researched this when Brad Cooper's case went through the process. The State submitted the PDR about 3-4 weeks ago I believe. It will probably be about 3 more months before a formal decision is released. After that, a trial should be scheduled but they don't seem to be in any hurry and I believe it's because of the DA change.

This is what the decision will look like:

 

[JusticeFever]

I can't find the date for the computer searches,the warrant just says that
"The search items found on the computer occurred prior to the homicide"
It goes on to say that "the computer and the recovered
data were seized pursuant to the warrant."
Maybe someone else knows the exact date , maybe they were never given, or maybe they were brought out at trial.

 

[sunshine05]

He told his ex-fiance (Gen) in an email about the accident. He also professed his love for her and basically told her she was the love of his life. At this time Michelle was pregnant with their son, Rylan, and it was a few months or so before her murder. Gen had been married for some period of time herself and had not been in contact with JY for years. The email was sent to a school email address where Gen used to work but she didn't work there anymore. She didn't see the email until some time much later (perhaps as a result of the investigation and LE finding the email on JY's account).

Regarding the removal of rings, don't forget JY either swallowed or pretended to swallow his camp friend's wedding ring a couple weeks or so before MY's murder. The friend was in town for a conference and stayed at JY's house. MY was in NY on a trip. The friend & JY drank, got tipsy, and had sex. The friend was newly married. Then, when MY came home from her trip to NY, that's when JY did the wedding ring thing where he asked the friend to see her ring and he took it and wouldn't give it back (acted like he swallowed it). She had to wait until the next day for him to 'produce' the ring. She testified she was very upset at this. This is also the friend who JY drew the mustache on her face after she fell asleep (drunk, after they had sex).

He has a real issue with engagement/wedding rings. No wonder Michelle's wedding ring /diamond ring was also removed from her finger. Fits a pattern.

"Fits a pattern" said Judge Stephens after the verdict. I thought it was ridiculous to tie together the ring incidents in this case. I couldn't believe he made those statements. Very unethical.

 

[Madeleine74]

In the months and weeks before Michelle was murdered, JY:

- Professed his continued love for his ex-finance in an email; she had no contact with him for years and was already married to someone else.

- Started an affair with Michelle's friend (Michelle Money) who he told a friend he thought he might be in love with MM and hoped she got pregnant with his child.

- Had sex one night, about a week or so before MY's murder, with an old friend who he knew from when they were teens at camp. She was newly married, lived in Montana at that point, and was in town for a conference. She stayed at JY's house. That's the one who he took her wedding ring and either swallowed it or pretended to swallow it. If you watch her testify you'll see how mortified and shamed she is; she cries through most of her testimony. Her husband stood by her.

 

[sunshine05]

In the months and weeks before Michelle was murdered, JY:

- Professed his continued love for his ex-finance in an email; she had no contact with him for years and was already married to someone else.

- Started an affair with Michelle's friend (Michelle Money) who he told a friend he thought he might be in love with MM and hoped she got pregnant with his child.

- Had sex one night, about a week or so before MY's murder, with an old friend who he knew from when they were teens at camp. She was newly married, lived in Montana at that point, and was in town for a conference. She stayed at JY's house. That's the one who he took her wedding ring and either swallowed it or pretended to swallow it. If you watch her testify you'll see how mortified and shamed she is; she cries through most of her testimony. Her husband stood by her.

Nobody denies that he was a poor husband and was very immature but that doesn't make him a murderer. In fact, one who is planning to murder a spouse would be more inclined to "behave" so as not to give investigators a motive. He clearly wasn't thinking about how his behavior would look when he would be investigated. Everyone knows the spouse is always a suspect.

 

[Grammy Jean]

I can't remember exactly but I want to say it was the summer of '06. The searches occurred very close to the time of the accident. This was really a non-issue in this case. None of the jurors even mentioned it as a consideration.

I asked this earlier but did not get an answer. What did the jurors mention that they considered? I could certainly be wrong but I do not recall this jury speaking after the trial.

 

[sunshine05]

Funny isn't it. I'm with you tarheellvr. He wouldn't even do a walk through of his own home? LE didn't sway or fabricate anything. They went where the evidence took them. I don't see why it is so hard for people to understand they didn't have "tunnel vision". It's routine to investigate the spouse. Now when the spouse doesn't cooperate and makes himself look suspicious why should they NOT investigate him . They were just doing their job. I will never forget the first time I saw the NC wanted video of "You came here for THAT!". It gave me chills. That was the last thing poor MY saw...that ugly mug...ugh!!

Brad Cooper "cooperated" and there are multiple instances where investigators post-dated their notes with "new" information that they "remembered" from that day, though it wasn't significant enough to them to record it then. This went on as far as 6 months after the interview date. Since the interviews weren't recorded, there is no way to prove what was actually said at the interview. This is a prime example of why one should never talk to police when under investigation. They DO twist things.

They most certainly did have tunnel vision. JY was the only suspect and as far as going where evidence takes them....what evidence is that exactly? They were all about the character assassination. That was their "evidence".

 

[sunshine05]

I asked this earlier but did not get an answer. What did the jurors mention that they considered? I could certainly be wrong but I do not recall this jury speaking after the trial.

"Where is the shirt? Where are the shoes" and "He didn't testify."

 

[jova33]

"Where is the shirt? Where are the shoes" and "He didn't testify."

Also, one of the jurors mentioned he had to have an accomplice.

The judge instructed that they were allowed to take they he might've had an accomplice into consideration.

I think whoever killed her had an accomplice, but even if it were JY, how did he drive 140 miles on an empty tank of gas? No one has been able to explain this phenomenon.

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[Nymeria]

"Fits a pattern" said Judge Stephens after the verdict. I thought it was ridiculous to tie together the ring incidents in this case. I couldn't believe he made those statements. Very unethical.

But if it did fit a pattern it is not really unethical.

Has Judge Stephens changed a lot in the last few years?
Because the last couple trials I watched with him I was super impressed.
Was he really as bad as he is being portrayed in the JY trials???
Say it ain't so :tantrum:

 

[Nymeria]

Also, one of the jurors mentioned he had to have an accomplice.

The judge instructed that they were allowed to take they he might've had an accomplice into consideration.

I think whoever killed her had an accomplice, but even if it were JY, how did he drive 140 miles on an empty tank of gas? No one has been able to explain this phenomenon.

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*BBM*
LandonsMom is working on that one, I think!
I need to see all of that laid out, everyone tossing out data about that here just makes my head spin (I do not know the actual details of drive time, gas mileage, size of his tank, time frames, etc.).
Will watch for it in my trial viewing...

 

[Madeleine74]

Just yesterday it was pointed out (by you) that we should not be discussing other cases, like the BC case, in the JY threads....

And yet here we are...

Brad Cooper "cooperated" and there are multiple instances where investigators post-dated their notes with "new" information that they "remembered" from that day, though it wasn't significant enough to them to record it then. This went on as far as 6 months after the interview date. Since the interviews weren't recorded, there is no way to prove what was actually said at the interview. This is a prime example of why one should never talk to police when under investigation. They DO twist things.

They most certainly did have tunnel vision. JY was the only suspect and as far as going where evidence takes them....what evidence is that exactly? They were all about the character assassination. That was their "evidence".