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Do you ever think about how the R's would behave if JBR was actually kidnapped by an intruder? Just think about how much money, resources, and effort they put into defending themselves, and imagine all of that being used to actually find their daughter/her killer. For most missing kids, you're at the mercy of LE, with how much effort they put into the case. But when you have the amount of $$ that the R's had, they can pretty much pay for your own investigation. They could hire world-class searchers, investigators, get very prominent people involved in the case, etc. They could pay for searches anywhere at anytime. They could buy advertising space in newspapers or on TV. As much attention as JBR's case received, I think if she had really being kidnapped or killed by an intruder, it would've been on a whole other level.

To add this post, regarding Patsy, think about what we know about her personality, how involved she was in her children's lives, part of many organizations...Can you just imagine Patsy's life after JonBenet's abduction or murder if it was indeed by an unknown person? I could see her starting an organization, serving on the board of one related to missing/abused children, speaking to Congress, etc. Maybe even giving her input on TV on recent cases. But she never did any of that stuff. Compared to parents in other high-profile cases, the R's were never involved with the missing/murdered children cause at all. From what I have heard about Patsy, I do think it's telling.
 
IMO-There is also a lot of reasonable doubt when it comes to Pasty's fibers all over the crime scene.John could throw Pasty under the bus and walk!

He might as well throw her under the bus. Heck, together they've thrown everyone and their pet goldfish under the bus.

JMO
 
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Statement by JR:
"The investigators were retained by our attorneys, and they stated to me that the principal purpose of those investigators was to prepare a defense in the case that the police might bring a charge against me."

Really? Even then! And they are probably furiously at work again, harder than before, given the shocking and rippling news that broke a week ago. And I think well they should be.

Starting this thread is a result of my recent final conviction that John Ramsey murdered his daughter, and should face charges of Felony Murder, at the very minimum. However, given the information I have considered which has been disclosed on this case, I feel a charge of Murder might be possible.

But, let's get started with why I suspect he alone is responsible for JB's death. Because there are more reasons than would be proper to put into one opening post, I will capsulize and say that the only way all of the available evidence we have seen fits, is to believe that JR had been previously molesting his daughter, and had become aware that Patsy might have become suspicious of his behaviors. I think he also had begun to realize that JB might not be willing to continue to participate in sharing their secret. Achieving a tryst with her the night before the trip might have been an attempt to alleviate all fears.

Until recently, there were two stumbling blocks for me in seeing JR as a lone perpetrator against JB.
1. That Patsy was most likely the writer of the Ransom Note, and
2. That Patsy made the 911 call because they had decided not to dispose of her body outside the home (which could have been for several reasons) so they could establish reasons for why she would eventually be found dead. The kidnapper would have to have killed JB so she would eventually come back to the R's dead, and they could have her body for a 'proper burial'.

There are no conclusive, scientifically valid ways to determine the author of an unsigned scripted document without the writer taking ownership. Though there were intelligent decisions in conclusion that Patsy could not be eliminated as the note author, there were also valid statements to the
contrary.

The break that John got in promoting his innocence was by being eliminated as author of the note - by his own hired "experts", even though there were a few others who did not agree. I wonder what some futher analysis would show if he was required to present more extensive exemplars than the meager ones which were accepted, in comparison to so many presented by Patsy and others.

We suspect the note was written in a manner to disguise the author. Some have even suggested that the trauma of the incident produced a less than perfect "Patsy" script, or that she wrote it with her left hand. But what if the note was simply written by someone who had not totally perfected the "Patsy" script?

We know that John had a full military career focused on computer technology, and then took enough skills with him into a civilian life to build a lucrative business based on computer technology which included software production. With his complete knowledge of computer technology,
is it impossible to think that he could have created a "Patsy" font simply by using examples of her own handwriting from within their home?

Some of the missing pages from Patsy's notepad might have had enough examples of notes on them to be scanned into a computer. Otherwise, there should have been other documents in the home that could have been used. The scanned script could have been transformed into font using software quite available at the time, and then rewritten into a new software application by John. As a career military officer in this field, having progressed into connections with Lockheed Martin, do you doubt his skills?

The new software could have produced a document to be hand copied onto the notepad pages. The discrepancies in the script between what would have positively been identified as Patsy's handwriting might have been the result of some of John's own scripting methods, which some, including myself, think possible. It would have been impossible for John to perfectly copy the "Patsy font" without a good amount of practice ahead of time, but since he was known to be detail oriented, he would have done a respectable job. Especially using a felt tip pen, which always leaves a lesser technique quality. A note here: The matching pen used to write it was placed back into the holder. John was the neat freak, not Patsy. Picking up and replacing would have been second nature to him, not Patsy.

Now, the 911 call. Even though I've seen it said a thousand times, when I came across it in a bumped posting of Chrishope's just a couple of days ago, it finally sunk in. It was the time of the call that convinced me Patsy was making the call in all honesty, thinking she had found a genuine ransom note and that JB had been kidnapped. The call was made at the time that fit the previous schedule that the R's would have had to keep in order to make their morning flight. JR had awakened and was showering when Patsy came down to put on coffee before having to wake the kids up to get going. I suspect that the recounting of her actions, and the time frame to Officer French is only slightly awry from actuality. The only thing I think Patsy did not account accurately is the fact that she did not awaken and completely "ready" herself for the trip, including dressing, fresh hair and makeup. I think Patsy laid down in another location of the house somewhere, exhausted from the previous day's activites and evening trip preparations, thinking she would just rest a few minutes, and instead awakened with a start just in time to refresh herself enough to start her day, which is when she found JR in the shower. Remember, she also appeared to the police without any visible signs of the type of wear and tear that certainly should have happpend while participating in JB's death during the night.

If Patsy made the call as part of the kidnap scenario staging, to establish a reason to assure JB's death, wasn't the call was made too early? Why not wait to call the police and invite them, along with all their friends in to contaminate the scene after the time for the call from the kidnappers came and went without being received. All they had to do was make preparations to get the cash, a small sum in small bills, (which JR would have easily done as it probably could have been ready cash at their local bank) having a reason to leave the house (probably with JB's body in the trunk). JR driving away in the neighborhood, even if he was by himself (neighbors might have thought he was going to the plane early to help ready for the flight) would not have looked suspicious to anyone. JR could have disposed of the body and returned from the bank with the money, and they may also have had time at the house for getting Burke from the home and safely sequestered away with a trustworthy friend.

Of course, there also would have had to be a simple call to the pilot and the older children to tell them they would be delayed (for whatever reason), which would have bought them the time they needed to get past the 10am deadline. The older children might have been assured they should proceed on to Minneapolis, where they eventually catch up to them. No suspicions that way.

As soon as the 10 am deadline passed, the call to the police could have been made, and on with the show. Act I: 10 am - Police are called notifying of a kidnapping (body really is out of house). Police are shown the note, told the call did not come in, and now there is reason to think something went wrong. The money is waiting, (which will not have to be used), a search is initiated, friends are called in to contaminate the crime scene, er..excuse me, to console the R's, and they notify the pilot and kids to circumvent their flights at whichever airport is necessary and bring them to Boulder. Act II: The day is haywire, JB's body is found, totally contaminated by surrounding debris, and now the body will be theirs for a "proper burial". For a short time, they will be spared immediate pressure from the police, since they are victims, and can be safely and sanely escorted from the house into the company of caring friends. Finale: JR and PR have succeeded in covering up the brutal, heinous crime committed against their daughter, thinking they have fooled the world into believing she was kidnapped and killed by intruders, who got in through a break in a basement window.

But here's the thing - the call went in to 911 at 6 am. Because Patsy had found the note, panicked and without reading through it very carefully, and after running to check JB's room and yell for John, went right to a phone and called police, probably just as JR was coming into her vacinity with Burke tailing right behind him, since Dad had gone to his room and checked on him, and he had previously heard the distressed voice of his mother. JR's rice was cooked right then and there.

Yes, Patsy said John told her to call the police. She said that calmly in interviews held at a later date after John had plenty of time to work on her and convince her that they would both be incriminated if she didn't make it look like he wanted the police called, which would give him protection. I'm sure he assured her over and over again he would take total care of protecting the entire family, but could only do so if they worked together as a team to portray their innocence. In another later interview, she recanted and said she was the one who had decided to call 911. Possibly just sick and tired of trying to keep up the lie, because she had suspected JR all along, but it is possible she just slipped up, and truth came out.

I realize most of this is theory, and maybe should be in the Theory Thread. But what I would invite you to do now, in this thread, is consider the aspects and think about how they might apply in order to bring charges against JR. And the chance arrow could find the target. If we work together to look for the "reasonable doubt" as a jury would be instructed, then maybe once and for all we can let this case rest and accept whatever outcome prevails.

Now that Kolar stated publicly, in response to my question on Tricia's show on Monday, that he agrees that Garnett must not have the evidence needed to prosecute, I could once and for all dismiss myself from the hold of injustice in this case, if you all will help me out either in thinking JR murdered his daughter, but will probably get away with it, or I should really adjust my theory (again) to look at a possibility that leaves no option for prosecution.

Good, bad, or ugly, let's discuss!!

PS: To those other posters who have long shared my opinion and have posted accordingly, thank you - otherwise I might still be going round in circles trying to make sense of it all to myself.

Bumping this thread ..full of lots of well thought posts.. Thanks Midwestmama..
I discovered this thread as I searched for JDI threads mainly because of the ransom note.. I find it hard to believe how P would point herself as the writer of the note..The last paragraph appears as if a conversation between the couple ..It doesn't make any sense to me.. She was no fool.. I tend to believe J could be our man..
 
To me the answer to the puzzle of who did lies in the following question. Each of the three Ramsey's has been deceitful and uncooperative, so it's safe to say that all three are aware that the murderer is one of them. Why would two of them choose to live the remainder of their lives under a cloak of suspicion to protect the guilty one? Would Patsy and Burke protect John? Would John and Burke protect Patsy? Or would John and Patsy protect Burke? Since Burke was 9 at the time, he likely had little say in the matter, so it comes down to the parents. If your spouse had done this, would you have trusted them to raise your remaining child? Add to this the fact that John and Patsy really did not seem to get along anymore. If you were Patsy and John did it, why stay with him? If Patsy did it, why would John stay with her? The only scenario that makes any sense is that Burke was involved and the parents covered it up. They for all intense purposes made an eternal pact that neither of them would ever be likely to break. It explains why they remained together despite an obviously broken marriage, and it explains why the didn't live in fear of being the next victim (Burke was unlikely to be able to kill an adult at that point).

However, it never ceases to amaze me that people will freely aid murderers with no regard for themselves, so who knows?


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To me the answer to the puzzle of who did lies in the following question. Each of the three Ramsey's has been deceitful and uncooperative, so it's safe to say that all three are aware that the murderer is one of them. Why would two of them choose to live the remainder of their lives under a cloak of suspicion to protect the guilty one? Would Patsy and Burke protect John? Would John and Burke protect Patsy? Or would John and Patsy protect Burke? Since Burke was 9 at the time, he likely had little say in the matter, so it comes down to the parents. If your spouse had done this, would you have trusted them to raise your remaining child? Add to this the fact that John and Patsy really did not seem to get along anymore. If you were Patsy and John did it, why stay with him? If Patsy did it, why would John stay with her? The only scenario that makes any sense is that Burke was involved and the parents covered it up. They for all intense purposes made an eternal pact that neither of them would ever be likely to break. It explains why they remained together despite an obviously broken marriage, and it explains why the didn't live in fear of being the next victim (Burke was unlikely to be able to kill an adult at that point).

However, it never ceases to amaze me that people will freely aid murderers with no regard for themselves, so who knows?


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andreww,
BBM: ITA. The case is BDI with BR probably holding back on much of what took place. There can be no other explanation for both parents lack of knowledge regarding the primary crime-scene.

Is SBP can lead to JonBenet's homicide then why not similar calculated crime-scene staging?

Once the parents discovered BR was beneath the age of criminal intent, and that everyone else in the case had a legal duty to distance BR from the investigation, they simply colluded in a coverup, e.g. Mary Lacy's exoneration and apology, look at Hunter's conduct over the GJ, this was BR being protected since the parents are charged with assisting an offender etc, and there is only one person left to consider, i.e. BR!

Since BR was never forthcoming on what took place, then he certainly never told anyone where the size-6 and size-12 underwear was located, so BR must have dumped them somewhere else?

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To me the answer to the puzzle of who did lies in the following question. Each of the three Ramsey's has been deceitful and uncooperative, so it's safe to say that all three are aware that the murderer is one of them. Why would two of them choose to live the remainder of their lives under a cloak of suspicion to protect the guilty one? Would Patsy and Burke protect John? Would John and Burke protect Patsy? Or would John and Patsy protect Burke? Since Burke was 9 at the time, he likely had little say in the matter, so it comes down to the parents. If your spouse had done this, would you have trusted them to raise your remaining child? Add to this the fact that John and Patsy really did not seem to get along anymore. If you were Patsy and John did it, why stay with him? If Patsy did it, why would John stay with her? The only scenario that makes any sense is that Burke was involved and the parents covered it up. They for all intense purposes made an eternal pact that neither of them would ever be likely to break. It explains why they remained together despite an obviously broken marriage, and it explains why the didn't live in fear of being the next victim (Burke was unlikely to be able to kill an adult at that point).

However, it never ceases to amaze me that people will freely aid murderers with no regard for themselves, so who knows?


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You forgot the scenario where Patsy and John are both involved. Patsy, in a fit of rage, strikes JonBenet on the head knocking her unconscious. John needs to get his hands dirty too, so he's the one who does the strangulation.
 
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Bumping this thread ..full of lots of well thought posts.. Thanks Midwestmama..
I discovered this thread as I searched for JDI threads mainly because of the ransom note.. I find it hard to believe how P would point herself as the writer of the note..The last paragraph appears as if a conversation between the couple ..It doesn't make any sense to me.. She was no fool.. I tend to believe J could be our man..

Perhaps due to an overwhelming feeling of guilt over what went down, she would have the need, deep down, to point to herself as the note writer.
 
From John and Patsy square off with Steve Thomas at Larry king live :


P. RAMSEY: I have a faith that comes from only one source. God knows who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Steve Thomas does not know, Patsy Ramsey does not know, and John Ramsey does not know. God knows, and the truth is going to prevail. This is not...
KING: You have complete faith in that?
P. RAMSEY: Absolutely. We -- with the help of the police authorities, this case can be solved.
KING: Well, we've made a leap forward here, if they all sit down. You've got to agree with that?
THOMAS: Well, absolutely. But the Bible also says, without confession, there is no forgiveness.
Patsy, do you think...
J. RAMSEY: It doesn't say that.
THOMAS: It doesn't?
J. RAMSEY: Christ did not ask for repentance when he forgave his executers.
THOMAS: Without confession, there is no forgiveness. Do you think that God will forgive the person that did this?
P. RAMSEY: That's up to that person and God.
J. RAMSEY: That's up to God.
THOMAS: Do you support the death penalty for the person who is ultimately convicted of this crime?
J. RAMSEY: I do not support the death penalty because of the horrible flaws I've seen in our justice system. There are many, many innocent people on death row today because of people like Steve Thomas.
THOMAS: Patsy?
J. RAMSEY: I concur.
THOMAS: Do you support the death penalty in this case, whoever killed your daughter?
P. RAMSEY: I...
KING: No, because they would say, what if it's the wrong guy that's convicted and they find out 10 years later?
P. RAMSEY: We need a DNA database, you know, as one of the things that we're purporting, because we have unexplained DNA. If we knew whose DNA that was...


I think Steve was so clever here, he starts an emotional game when he talked about the bible and notice how Patsy was obviously distraught after he said that a confession is necessary before forgiveness..
John clearly fell for it, notice how John was all over the place defending the killer's right for repentance even without confession..
As if he was reassuring Patsy since he thought that maybe Steve's words would affect Patsy deeply..
Plus, how can any you not support the death penalty for a person who not only killed your beloved 6 years old daughter, but sexually molests her, strangles her and hits her head so hard it cracked her skull?!
 
From John and Patsy square off with Steve Thomas at Larry king live :


P. RAMSEY: I have a faith that comes from only one source. God knows who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Steve Thomas does not know, Patsy Ramsey does not know, and John Ramsey does not know. God knows, and the truth is going to prevail. This is not...
KING: You have complete faith in that?
P. RAMSEY: Absolutely. We -- with the help of the police authorities, this case can be solved.
KING: Well, we've made a leap forward here, if they all sit down. You've got to agree with that?
THOMAS: Well, absolutely. But the Bible also says, without confession, there is no forgiveness.
Patsy, do you think...
J. RAMSEY: It doesn't say that.
THOMAS: It doesn't?
J. RAMSEY: Christ did not ask for repentance when he forgave his executers.
THOMAS: Without confession, there is no forgiveness. Do you think that God will forgive the person that did this?
P. RAMSEY: That's up to that person and God.
J. RAMSEY: That's up to God.
THOMAS: Do you support the death penalty for the person who is ultimately convicted of this crime?
J. RAMSEY: I do not support the death penalty because of the horrible flaws I've seen in our justice system. There are many, many innocent people on death row today because of people like Steve Thomas.
THOMAS: Patsy?
J. RAMSEY: I concur.
THOMAS: Do you support the death penalty in this case, whoever killed your daughter?
P. RAMSEY: I...
KING: No, because they would say, what if it's the wrong guy that's convicted and they find out 10 years later?
P. RAMSEY: We need a DNA database, you know, as one of the things that we're purporting, because we have unexplained DNA. If we knew whose DNA that was...


I think Steve was so clever here, he starts an emotional game when he talked about the bible and notice how Patsy was obviously distraught after he said that a confession is necessary before forgiveness..
John clearly fell for it, notice how John was all over the place defending the killer's right for repentance even without confession..
As if he was reassuring Patsy since he thought that maybe Steve's words would affect Patsy deeply..
Plus, how can any you not support the death penalty for a person who not only killed your beloved 6 years old daughter, but sexually molests her, strangles her and hits her head so hard it cracked her skull?!

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. If it was Patsy, as I believe, she had to live with that guilt the rest of her life. Not the end I'd wish for, folks.
 
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. If it was Patsy, as I believe, she had to live with that guilt the rest of her life. Not the end I'd wish for, folks.

I really think that the Ramseys didn't help themselves at all in this case..
Even if they are innocent, I won't regret one second of thinking they are guilty, I mean..their actions since Jonbenet was "kidnapped" was so weird and suspicious for an innocent person to act..

Plus there are many occasions where they are caught being obviously dishonest like when Patsy said she can't remember why she called the pediatrician 3 times in like 10 minutes on December 17th about a week before Jonbenet was killed..
I mean..How in the world can a mom forget something like this!!
 
I really think that the Ramseys didn't help themselves at all in this case..

I think that depends on what happened and how they hoped to help themselves. If they are innocent - then they didn't help themselves. But if - for the sake of argument, Chief Kolar is right in who he suspects and what he suspects then they probably achieved the outcome they hoped for.

Even if they are innocent, I won't regret one second of thinking they are guilty, I mean..their actions since Jonbenet was "kidnapped" was so weird and suspicious for an innocent person to act..

That's how I see it.

Plus there are many occasions where they are caught being obviously dishonest like when Patsy said she can't remember why she called the pediatrician 3 times in like 10 minutes on December 17th about a week before Jonbenet was killed..
I mean..How in the world can a mom forget something like this!!

It must be similar to how, when you find your daughter missing, you don't wake up your son to make sure he's ok and to find out if he knows anything about what happened.
 
I think that depends on what happened and how they hoped to help themselves. If they are innocent - then they didn't help themselves. But if - for the sake of argument, Chief Kolar is right in who he suspects and what he suspects then they probably achieved the outcome they hoped for.



That's how I see it.



It must be similar to how, when you find your daughter missing, you don't wake up your son to make sure he's ok and to find out if he knows anything about what happened.

Like..seriously,
"Burke, honey wake up, your sister is missing..did you see her?? did you hear anything over night?"
That' what any parent would do..
I also blame the police here, I mean they should have insisted on asking Burke about what happened and if he heard anything instead of allowing them to get him out of the house at 7:00 am!

This and the mysterious 3 calls along with the entire one hour when John left the house to supposedly "check his mail", Linda Arndt said it was 10-11 am, consistent with the time I think he said he checked the basement for the first time and consistent with when he "mistakenly" said more than once that he found the body of Jonbenet at 11:00 am instead of 1:10 pm..
 
Like..seriously,
"Burke, honey wake up, your sister is missing..did you see her?? did you hear anything over night?"
That' what any parent would do..
I also blame the police here, I mean they should have insisted on asking Burke about what happened and if he heard anything instead of allowing them to get him out of the house at 7:00 am!

This and the mysterious 3 calls along with the entire one hour when John left the house to supposedly "check his mail", Linda Arndt said it was 10-11 am, consistent with the time I think he said he checked the basement for the first time and consistent with when he "mistakenly" said more than once that he found the body of Jonbenet at 11:00 am instead of 1:10 pm..

What "mysterious calls"? I don't know about those.
 
This and the mysterious 3 calls along with the entire one hour when John left the house to supposedly "check his mail", Linda Arndt said it was 10-11 am, consistent with the time I think he said he checked the basement for the first time and consistent with when he "mistakenly" said more than once that he found the body of Jonbenet at 11:00 am instead of 1:10 pm..

The mail came through a drop box near the front door--no need to leave for the mail.

The home had several police vehicles outside on that day. They did leave before 10:00, but there were still police vehicles there earlier. This would get the neighbor's attention so if the house wasn't being watched, it's probably being watched now by the neighbors.

At this time, Patsy was probably on the sofa in the den on the 1st floor at the back of the house. A chair always sat in front of the door in the sunroom so John probably wouldn't leave that way; and besides, someone could have been in the dining room. They'd see him. He couldn't leave through the door by the den or the dining room outside doors, because he'd be seen--people were sitting in the den next to these doors. That leaves door to the garage, front door and the butler's pantry door. The garage door was closed and the side door in the garage was blocked with boxes. Opening the garage door would have been noisy and would have been noticed so that leaves-out the garage. Okay, so this leaves the butler's pantry and the front door. Both of these could be seen from the front of the house so my question is, do you really think he left the home at this time? How far do you think he got? If he was carrying evidence that he need to dispose of, isn't there a huge risk that his neighbors wouldn't be curious and watching the house? What if he gets caught coming back into the house? Isn't he taking a huge risk that a smart detective would then have the area searched?
 
The mail came through a drop box near the front door--no need to leave for the mail.

The home had several police vehicles outside on that day. They did leave before 10:00, but there were still police vehicles there earlier. This would get the neighbor's attention so if the house wasn't being watched, it's probably being watched now by the neighbors.

At this time, Patsy was probably on the sofa in the den on the 1st floor at the back of the house. A chair always sat in front of the door in the sunroom so John probably wouldn't leave that way; and besides, someone could have been in the dining room. They'd see him. He couldn't leave through the door by the den or the dining room outside doors, because he'd be seen--people were sitting in the den next to these doors. That leaves door to the garage, front door and the butler's pantry door. The garage door was closed and the side door in the garage was blocked with boxes. Opening the garage door would have been noisy and would have been noticed so that leaves-out the garage. Okay, so this leaves the butler's pantry and the front door. Both of these could be seen from the front of the house so my question is, do you really think he left the home at this time? How far do you think he got? If he was carrying evidence that he need to dispose of, isn't there a huge risk that his neighbors wouldn't be curious and watching the house? What if he gets caught coming back into the house? Isn't he taking a huge risk that a smart detective would then have the area searched?

I'm not speculating here, I'm stating FACTS that were told by the police..
It was Linda who said that John left to get his mail and it's stated by many that he left for about an hour and he himself said that he checked the basement for a first time at 10:00 am..

It was also John himself who said "mistakenly" told Melinda's boyfriend that he found Jonbenet at 11:00 am instead of 1:05 pm..

So it's not me creating these stories you know..
 
Sorry, I'm not trying to start an argument. I read somewhere that he could have left the house, but in this world we know basically where the chess pieces were on the board. We know the points of entry and exit. At some point, I started to wonder if this was a detail that made sense.

"I made a note that he [John] was looking at his mail and then I wondered where did your mail come from?" --LA, ABC News Interview, 9/17/1999

She didn't know that the mail was dropped in a mail slot near the front door. The assumption she made was that he left the house to get the mail because she had lost track of John. Do you really have police reports that stated John left the house some time after 10:00 AM when Linda was the only officer on the property? What officers other than Linda would file a report that John left the house after 10:00?

"...she incorrectly assumed he had stepped out to get his mail. She was unaware that the house did not have an exterior mail box and that the mail came in through a front door slot."

Thomas, Steve; Davis, Donald A. (2011-04-01). JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation (p. 26). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.
 
To achieve the exact end result it has. He would have done it to put all suspicion on her, to eventually have her take the fall. He knew Patsy would always claim to have never written the note, because she didn't. He knew that she would present exemplar after exemplar (which he did not) in an attempt to finally dispel the allegations against her. Do you think that if Patsy was worried her handwriting would be accurately detected as the author of the RN, which would could lead to her conviction, she would have produced as many samples as she did? Would you have? Or might you, knowing you did not write the note, keep making attempts to demonstrate how your writing does NOT match up to the note?

The reports of their relationship was that they were "distant". It is my feeling that Patsy's cancer bout was the icing on his already disturbed mind after losing Elizabeth. With 2 small children in the picture as well, I think JR just swirled deeper into his hidden ego than we could even imagine, and with his penchant for young beauty queen type females, his path with Patsy was crumbling. He is a smart man, and he would have considered the "percentages", (his trait) to learn that Patsy's survival rate was slim, even with the spiritual cure she claimed for some years.

I have no doubt that JR was capable of completely heinous and evil acts against anyone who eroded his master plan for his life. He demonstrated this gently by detaching from many trusted and long time friends after JB's death. It wasn't just one or two people, it was each person who could chip away at his plan to maintain innocence.
I think that in Patsy, who could never again measure up to his need for her to fulfill his "beauty queen" requirement of a partner, he had come to perceive her importance as a mother to his children and the token representation of a wife for his public image, but under she fueled a seething loathing for the fact that he was "stuck" with someone who had no personal, pleasurable benefits for him.

Making Patsy his "patsy" was the perfect solution to his problem. Once she would have been arrested, along with him, he was the one in a position not only to become a source of public empathy, as he succeeded, behind the scenes, through his powerful connections, in shifting the entire blame over on her, but he could have pinned on a hero badge for being at the side of his wife as she met her Waterloo. Can you picture it? Oh, the book he could have written that would have sold a gazillion copies. Oh the perfect public life he would have been able to live for the rest of his days.

Unless you have lived with or are familiar with a true Narcissist, you may never understand the ability these people have to construct their own plan, and the lengths they will go to for achievement of it. If there are any posters out there who have professional experience they can share about Narcissism, I hope they will chime in on this.

Again, apologies to all with my always "wordy" responses. All :moo:

I've never suspected JR as being the perpetrator of the crime, but I have to admit after reading your thought provoking posts you have me re-thinking everything. I definitely agree with the bolded, and have for a long time believed that little Jon Benet was JR's substitute for his former beauty queen, Patsy... As sickening and disgusting as that is. :(
 
I've never suspected JR as being the perpetrator of the crime, but I have to admit after reading your thought provoking posts you have me re-thinking everything. I definitely agree with the bolded, and have for a long time believed that little Jon Benet was JR's substitute for his former beauty queen, Patsy... As sickening and disgusting as that is. :(

I've been re-examining that in my mind, as well. The question for me is, when was the line crossed? I keep coming back to Patsy's initial battle and treatment. JR would have been comforting his children a good number of nights.
 
I've been re-examining that in my mind, as well. The question for me is, when was the line crossed? I keep coming back to Patsy's initial battle and treatment. JR would have been comforting his children a good number of nights.

Not buying it Dave. I just don't think John was in to children. There's been no evidence of that from his other daughter or from searches of his home and computer. In fact the evidence points at Burke, who was caught beneath the covers with JB by LHP.

Of course anything is possible but I don't see the family standing behind John if this crime wee a result of his incestuous relationship with his daughter.


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