JLM: Morgan Harrington/Fairfax Rape Victim - *Forensic Link* to MH #2

[ChiaPet]

Thats an interesting thought that she ran away from him to where her body was found. The terrain and her head injury makes me somewhat skeptical that that is what happened but if she did try to run away from him it could explain the state her body was found in according her to her parents, with her bones being crushed. If she tried to get away I could see it upsetting him even more and him taking it out on her even further.

His mugshots make him seem somewhat friendly, a little bit of a smirk does seem a big smug but just seeing the mugshots I didn't get an "oh he looks scary" vibe. He appeared to give high fives in the mall and seemed to walk fast which might not have alarmed me had I been there in person (before he cut across and started following HG). However, seeing how he looked with his dreads in his face when he was being escorted off the plane and seeing how large his biceps were I was a little surprised. That was not a gentle giant, that was a beast of a man. Also, seeing him walking into the convenience store he looked HUGE, definitely had a linebacker sorta look.

 

[strawberry]

Can't link it at the moment but I watched the WTVR report yesterday which I know is linked on one of these threads and I found it interesting the reporter stated that the State Police knew about this link for some time now or something of that nature but they didn't report it out of respect to the investigation..you can watch it for yourself to see exactly but I thought that was interesting..this wasn't some result they just got back yesterday..

That makes sense with what people here were saying about Longo's determination to get him early on..that there was something he knew that he was not disclosing.

 

[galaxygal]

When you are literally running for your life, you will be surprised how fast you can run. Depending on where the car was when she left the vehicle does not necessarily mean she had to jump too many fences.

I also dont remember if it was moonlit night that night, but that was discussed at the time too whether there was enough moonlight to see a little.

I just dont see Morgan allowing herself to be walked that far away from that car, and I also dont think this perp patiently waited to begin trying to sexually assualt her. I believe he made his move on her while in the car, and she wanted no part of it and took off. Or she bailed when the car was slowed down enough because she may have realized he was driving her out into the boondocks. I think she finally realized she was in a very bad situation.

JMO of course.

I don't think she allowed it either, I think she resisted and submitted when force was used (beating, strangling, etc) and probably put up a struggle, however feeble, until he got her to the spot where he felt comfortable and "safe". JMO

 

[strawberry]

I have never read "attractive and charismatic" in the clinical description of a sociopath.


Sociopath is another word for Antisocial Personality Disorder. The clinical description can be found here:

http://www.psi.uba.ar/academica/car...ica_tr_personalidad_psicosis/material/dsm.pdf

Ted Bundy is the only one I can think of.

Casey Anthony, Diane Downs, Karla Homolka

 

[Justice101]

So, back in 2010... LE knew they had a black man who knew the southwest side of Charlottesville very well. They even put forth the thought that this person was an outdoorsman who had lived there, maybe as a kid..but who would be very comfortable in that environment. It definitely all adds up now...with JLM being at the center.

Still wonder where JLM was in 2005?

 

[pittie_mcclure]

I read somewhere that 3-party DNA (not belonging to either Morgan or the perp), possibly from vomit, was found at the crime scene when MH's body was recovered, potentially from a witness to the crime.

I'm trying to retrace the link to that article, but having trouble finding it now, argh. Maybe someone else who has been following MH's case closely would know?

Here's a letter from the lead investigator into MH's murder, Lt. Joe Rader, which strongly suggests he had reason to believe that there's someone with intimate knowledge of the crime (which isn't the same as DNA, of course, but all I could find for now. Sorry!):

http://www.readthehook.com/files/article-documents/news-joeraderlettermain.pdf

Yikes. I read your comment on the letter first so I may be a little bias but that totally sounds like an implication of a witness who did indeed vomit at/near the scene. I'm not saying this as a fact & if I'm crossing any lines please remove, but what if somebody related to JM helped him relocate the body? Do people come clean to family in order to get help covering up a crime but then keep on raping/murdering?
I think, of course, that his family members are victims of his as well until proof says otherwise I'm just thinking outloud.

My heart hurts for all of the families involved & especially for all of these women who didn't deserve all of that pain.

 

[jamicat]

I don't think we'll ever find out what happened to MH after she was picked up. Even if the perp talks, can't really believe him on anything that can't be directly verified. Even if it fits the evidence. Yes, MH could have jumped out of the car and run, wouldn't have gotten far as she was not at full capability, it 's dark, tough terrain, it's unfamiliear. The perp would be hyped, and JM is an athlete, knows the area. Not a chance. From the way that rape was done, he has no compunction getting rough and going for the kill quickly. That woman likely would have been killed had someon not come close enough to the scene that the perp felt he had better leave even though he'd not yet killed the victim. Without the interruption, a few more minutes of time, and that would likely have been it, the end for her.

I wish people would let JM's friends and family raise their funds, show their support. This is not a contest. It's important he gets his full rights exercised so nothing is jeopardized when the case goes to court and trial. Overwhelming anti JM sentiment that makes it diffiuclt and even impossible to exercise his rights could make it more difficult for the state. We want this to go down smoothly. With DNA links, the evidence is strong. I hope we don't get a divided community on how this is handled. Remember there are people who will feel that the sentiment painted him so guilty from the get go that they may become resentful, and this will be a jury trial.

 

[Cherry]

I just knew it. I knew there was a link...and most likely she got into his cab, IMO at the concert. All we nd know is to verify his fares for the night of the concert...I think this is really it. But I'm still jaw on the floor, his photos and that sketch really bothered me.

 

[Justice101]

Yikes. I read your comment on the letter first so I may be a little bias but that totally sounds like an implication of a witness who did indeed vomit at/near the scene. I'm not saying this as a fact & if I'm crossing any lines please remove, but what if somebody related to JM helped him relocate the body? Do people come clean to family in order to get help covering up a crime but then keep on raping/murdering?


My heart hurts for all of the families involved & especially for all of these women who didn't deserve all of that pain.

I followed Morgan's case as closely as I am following Hannah... and I do not remember any reference by LE that there was a third party involved (even as a witness). Also, it would take skin under the fingernails or extreme inner body parts to provide any DNA evidence with a body that was there 3 months and was mostly skeleton. That's what I think.

 

[Justice101]

JLM is going to get a competent qualified public defender at no charge. That is what our legal system requires...but no lawyer is going to get him off from this (or these) crimes.

 

[Hatfield]

Did I read somewhere that JM used to work as a taxi driver ?

If so, that may have been how he got Morgan to accept a ride to begin with. Maybe he used some ruse about being a taxi driver or maybe he even still had an old sign or something that he could show the person that he was a taxi driver. Wonder if he had anything displaying outside his car too. Kind of like those Pizza delivery lights but maybe with a Taxi sign. Something he could just put on the roof whenever he wanted to and it attached by magnets and battery operated.

 

[Foxfire]

otto

The picture you put up the other day a map of were Morgan's body was found, it showed crime scene investigators there. It is my opinion that she ran to that area that she was found. If you look left of the large cedar tree and follow it straight across, that is a fence line if I am not mistaken. A barbed wire fence no less. When looking at maps of this/that area and you see a string/line of trees/scrubs it's pretty much a fence line and 5 will get you 10, it barbed. So I guess what I am saying is that I do not think that he took her to that spot, she ran and that is where he caught her. That is my opinion after looking at that area, with that said I walk a creek bottom with my husband, it's over 2 miles long, private property of course and have to multiply pieces of large tracts of land in the general area of charlottesville, I honestly do not think he took her to that spot. jmo idk

<BBM for Focus>

Almost hate to bring this up, but I have learned to never misunderestimate the antics of a psychopath..
There are Cherokee and many other legends associated with the cedar tree including superstitions, as well as religious connotations. Cedar Trees, Death, and Cemeteries go hand in hand. This may very well be why MH's remains were placed at this unusual location, imo. Many times there are family cemeteries in rural farming areas near old homesites. They are marked with cedar trees. Unless, a historian, familiar, or a native to the area, one would not recognize these old cemeteries over time due to nature taking them back. Many times rocks with info scratched on them were used as headstones.

Guess, what I am trying to say is that HG will likely be located near an old homesite cemetery, marked by a cedar tree/s, for revisiting the burial site.. JMO

Cedar Trees and Cemeteries..
http://dulaneysofnorthmississippi.blogspot.com/2009/02/cedar-trees-in-cemeteries-arent-just.html
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-8.htm

 

[Xara]

I read somewhere that 3-party DNA (not belonging to either Morgan or the perp), possibly from vomit, was found at the crime scene when MH's body was recovered, potentially from a witness to the crime.

I'm trying to retrace the link to that article, but having trouble finding it now, argh. Maybe someone else who has been following MH's case closely would know?

Here's a letter from the lead investigator into MH's murder, Lt. Joe Rader, which strongly suggests he had reason to believe that there's someone with intimate knowledge of the crime (which isn't the same as DNA, of course, but all I could find for now. Sorry!):

http://www.readthehook.com/files/article-documents/news-joeraderlettermain.pdf

I have followed Morgans case from the beginning and have never heard this. If you happen to find the link, please do post it. TIA.

 

[Xara]

Sorry dbl post.

 

[Foxfire]

otto

The picture you put up the other day a map of were Morgan's body was found, it showed crime scene investigators there. It is my opinion that she ran to that area that she was found. If you look left of the large cedar tree and follow it straight across, that is a fence line if I am not mistaken. A barbed wire fence no less. When looking at maps of this/that area and you see a string/line of trees/scrubs it's pretty much a fence line and 5 will get you 10, it barbed. So I guess what I am saying is that I do not think that he took her to that spot, she ran and that is where he caught her. That is my opinion after looking at that area, with that said I walk a creek bottom with my husband, it's over 2 miles long, private property of course and have to multiply pieces of large tracts of land in the general area of charlottesville, I honestly do not think he took her to that spot. jmo idk

<BBM for Focus>

Almost hate to bring this up, but I have learned to never misunderestimate the antics of a psychopath..
There are Cherokee and many other legends associated with the cedar tree including superstitions, as well as religious connotations. Cedar Trees, Death, and Cemeteries go hand in hand. This may very well be why MH's remains were placed at this unusual location, imo. Many times there are family cemeteries in rural farming areas near old homesites. They are marked with cedar trees. Unless, a historian, familiar, or a native to the area, one would not recognize these old cemeteries over time due to nature taking them back. Many times rocks with info scratched on them were used as headstones.

Guess, what I am trying to say is that HG will likely be located near an old homesite cemetery, marked by a cedar tree/s, for revisiting the burial site.. JMO

Cedar Trees and Cemeteries..
http://dulaneysofnorthmississippi.blogspot.com/2009/02/cedar-trees-in-cemeteries-arent-just.html
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-8.htm

 

[Xara]

Subscribing.

 

[pittie_mcclure]

I followed Morgan's case as closely as I am following Hannah... and I do not remember any reference by LE that there was a third party involved (even as a witness). Also, it would take skin under the fingernails or extreme inner body parts to provide any DNA evidence with a body that was there 3 months and was mostly skeleton. That's what I think.

Yes, you're right. I did a quite search & couldn't find anything to prove there was third party DNA. The letter could just be urging the suspect to come forward. I guess I didn't think how long she was out there (I hate thinking about it) & the likelihood that DNA evidence not on the body still being intact and testable.

 

[Foxfire]

otto

The picture you put up the other day a map of were Morgan's body was found, it showed crime scene investigators there. It is my opinion that she ran to that area that she was found. If you look left of the large cedar tree and follow it straight across, that is a fence line if I am not mistaken. A barbed wire fence no less. When looking at maps of this/that area and you see a string/line of trees/scrubs it's pretty much a fence line and 5 will get you 10, it barbed. So I guess what I am saying is that I do not think that he took her to that spot, she ran and that is where he caught her. That is my opinion after looking at that area, with that said I walk a creek bottom with my husband, it's over 2 miles long, private property of course and have to multiply pieces of large tracts of land in the general area of charlottesville, I honestly do not think he took her to that spot. jmo idk

<BBM for Focus>

Almost hate to bring this up, but I have learned to never misunderestimate the antics of a psychopath..
There are Cherokee and many other legends associated with the cedar tree including superstitions, as well as religious connotations. Cedar Trees, Death, and Cemeteries go hand in hand. This may very well be why MH's remains were placed at this unusual location, imo. Many times there are family cemeteries in rural farming areas near old homesites. They are marked with cedar trees. Unless, a historian, familiar, or a native to the area, one would not recognize these old cemeteries over time due to nature taking them back. Many times rocks with info scratched on them were used as headstones.

Guess, what I am trying to say is that HG will likely be located near an old homesite cemetery, marked by a cedar tree/s, for revisiting the burial site.. JMO

Cedar Trees and Cemeteries..
http://dulaneysofnorthmississippi.blogspot.com/2009/02/cedar-trees-in-cemeteries-arent-just.html
http://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-8.htm

 

[dog.gone.cute]

There are some very intelligent posters on this board.

:seeya: I totally agree ... and may I add very intelligent posters on all of WS !

:great: :great: :great:

 

[pittie_mcclure]

I followed Morgan's case as closely as I am following Hannah... and I do not remember any reference by LE that there was a third party involved (even as a witness). Also, it would take skin under the fingernails or extreme inner body parts to provide any DNA evidence with a body that was there 3 months and was mostly skeleton. That's what I think.

Sorry if this is a duplicate but: Yes, you're right. I did a quick search and couldn't find anything saying third-party DNA was found. It makes sense, and I definitely didn't think about the fact that DNA evidence in the form of vomit probably wouldn't be very testable after months in winter elements. Adrenaline & physical size could easily describe how he got her out there by himself. He's a real life monster.