Jodi Arias Murder Trial - the defense continues it's case in chief-*Weekend* #90

[Mrs G Norris]

Well, JM has to win the argument in the hearing tomorrow for starters. There is no way in he!! that this biased witness can give an opinion to the jury whether or not the crime scene shows whether or not this was a premeditated murder or "crime of passion". Would he not have to prove to the court that he has those credentials? Come on...

I can't see how that would do any good since the defence position is self defence and they didn't have some kind of wild fight which ended in his murder, she shot him in the face because a nude wet Travis crash tackled and might have been chasing after her (which he wasn't because she ended up back in the bathroom with the gun and Travis) that's hardly meeting a threat with the same amount of force, all she had to do was run down the stairs and out to the garden if she was genuinely afraid.

A point JM has already made. The defence team is just annoying the jury at this stage, I think they've already made up their minds.

 

[minor4th]

Thanks, Minor. Hope I made all the corrections properly.

Sorry, but I was wrong about that. I just went back and reviewed some of the testimony and the "come f-ck you in the woods" was on May 10-11, but the sociopath, evil, worst thing that ever happened to me was on May 25-26.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Butt..
In the second photo (Dragging)... There is a verticle white object that looks like a door that opens/closes over the moulding or (horizontal white stripe object).

To me
It looks like the back of a black shoe.. walking toward the left. The light part on the top right of the dark area seems to be an angled heel portion of a sole.. Like a runner's shoe. In this photo it's as if the person is at the part of a step with the heel up near a door (White verticle object) while the other foot is stepped forward. (Not in the photo)
I agree, as posted by someone before, my apologies I do not recall who posted, but I do not see any photos where there is a metal floor moulding where tile ends and carpet begins....

According to what looks like Detective Melendez' notes, the foot in the photo is a right foot:

"I found twenty (20) previously deleted images of Travis Alexander taking a shower. Based on the angles and poses, it appears that someone else took the photos. The images were created on this media on 06/04/2008 5:22:24 PM thru 06/04/08 5:30:30 PM. On 06/04/08 5:31:14 PM an image of the bathroom ceiling is taken. At 5:32:165 PM an image of Travis Alexander is taken. The image is very dark and upside down. After rotating the image and making it lighter I was able to tell that this is an image of Travis Alexander. It appears that Travis Alexander is deceased in this photo. Travis Alexander is naked on the floor with the upper part of his body pulled off the ground by an unknown suspect. What appears to be blood is going down his back from his neck area. The only part of the suspect visible in the photograph is the right leg and foot. The suspect is wearing dark colored pants with two lighter colored vertical stripes on the side. It appears that the image was taken in the hallway area between the master bedroom and master bathroom. "

JM asked JA if she was wearing socks at the time. She said that she was.

 

[Texas Lady]

Ok it is getting late and i may not make any sense what about this theory on the sex photos on the camera. The quality is not that good. Could she has maybe printed those photos out on 8 1/2 x11 paper before she ever left yrecka from another time they were together. Maybe the neverending week she was leaving mesa in april. She did say she had dried her hair before she left Mesa but it did not go as dark as she wanted it to be. Maybe she had the pictures in her murder bag, maybe she laid the photos out and used Travis camera and took pictures of those pictures not noticing it added the date of the murder. I think she wanted it to be set up for the camera to be found after his death to ruin his reputation as much as she could.

After the shower photos were added if she had not messed up and captured the photos of her dragging body she panicked. I think she thought she put the camera in her bag to take with her but a accidentally got it in the wash instead of her bag to take. If she left the camera without deleting they would have more clues but if those dragging photos had not been taken I think she would have left it so everybody would know Travis' secret after he died and not show her in Mesa that day.

Something is off with those pictures and I can't figure it out. I don't think he had sex with her that day.

On iPad so spelling may be off with my fat fingers

 

[Karmady]

Just something I noticed watching the testimony of Officer Mendes. The CVS receipt some were asking about is shown and Juan is quite careful to make sure that whatever was purchased is not shown. He takes time to fold the receipt over. You can see the date, and you can also see that she used her rewards card and that some or all of it was a "flex" expense -- so reimbursable by a health insurance flexible spending account.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Sorry, but I was wrong about that. I just went back and reviewed some of the testimony and the "come f-ck you in the woods" was on May 10-11, but the sociopath, evil, worst thing that ever happened to me was on May 25-26.

Thanks, I'll fix it now.

 

[Jimmynap]

Sorry, but I was wrong about that. I just went back and reviewed some of the testimony and the "come f-ck you in the woods" was on May 10-11, but the sociopath, evil, worst thing that ever happened to me was on May 25-26.

The angry TA text was late 5/9 - early 5/10
The sex phone tape was 5/10
The sweet texts between both 2am 5/11

all in approx. 24hr period

 

[Allyne Smithe]

To help with the question as to what is shown in the "foot picture" and the "dragging picture" respectively and how I think the camera changed position in between, I decided to go a little creative with the picture of the floorplan.

For reference, by foot picture I mean this one with JA's foot in it:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q650/tabularasa6/ja27_zps870003b5.jpg

And the second dragging picture is the one where people upthread were wondering what is shown in there, whether the white line is the baseboard or the threshold between the carpet and the tile and so on:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q650/tabularasa6/ja29_zps972487d2.jpg

I took the picture of the floorplan to show how I think the camera was positioned in each of those pictures. Mind you, I make no guarantees on scale, or where exactly along the hallway this is taking place. This is just a rough illustration on where I think the camera, JA and TA were in relation to each other. The yellow-ish area is everything that would be in the frame of the picture, everything that is not yellow would be out of the frame.

Basically, I think the camera got spun around in between the pictures, maybe from Jodi hitting it with her foot as she was dragging Travis along the hall.
In the first picture, the foot picture, the camera is pointing down the hallway towards the bedroom.

Then it got spun around almost ninety degrees and the next picture is actually taken with the camera almost facing the wall. It was taken at a point when Jodi had already moved past the camera, so she would be to the right of the frame and was in the process of dragging Travis through the frame, so to speak. The horizontal white stripe is the baseboard (is that what you call the line where wall and floor meet?), and the blood-covered object to the left would be Travis' shoulder or part of his upper body.

Again, I make no guarantees on angles or the accuracy of the positioning. I actually think now that in the second picture, the camera was not angled directly at the wall like I illustrated above, but still a little towards the bedroom area, but I hope this is able to convey roughly what I think happened in between the two pictures.

Thank you so much! I've been wanting to see an analysis that made sense so I will be sure to study this!

I noticed something in the last photo (5:33:32) that looked shiny and shaped like a doorknob, to the left of the image being dragged. When I lightened the photo it still appeared to be a doorknob to me. Can you see what I am referring to? TIA!

 

[mamadee]

There lies the cleanest and most sparkly bathtub you could imagine in the midst of such a grizzly scene. It's PRISTINE.

moo

I have to say, besides the grizzly crime scene, that was one of the first things I noticed.

I could not believe how clean that tub was. There was blood on the toilet that had it's own room! How did not one speck of blood get into that tub? It was everywhere for crying out loud.

I think there's more to the story concerning that tub.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Not intentionally. The most accepted view seems to be that she lured him into the most vulnerable position by suggesting a photo shoot in the shower. At some stage during her subsequent attack the camera fell to the ground and the prosecution suggests she trod on it twice resulting in two accidental exposures at floor level which captured her victim and in one, her foot and verified pant leg. HTH

That tells me that at some level, even subconsciously, she wanted to record his demise on film. She planned to photograph it.

No impromptu luring "photo shoot" was ever needed. It's an added extra in the plot line, increasing both risk and effort by its inclusion. She could more easily put the camera down before she attacked him, left it in the bedroom or put it on the bathroom or closet floor. An unnecessary embellishment to the scene by JA revealing (IMO) the deep desire to record his agony for all eternity.

What an evil, evil woman.

It's ironic she managed to capture the most horrifically compelling images I've ever seen.

 

[borndem]

I think a lot of her statements were changed once her "psychologist" suggested the PTSD defense. She seemed to have a much better memory earlier on.

I'm just plain skeptical of PTSD as a defense -- Most PTSD sufferers vividly recall the traumatic events which led to PTSD, like they are actually in the episode all over again -- their minds don't shut down the recall, the recall occurs whenever and brings it back in usually frightening detail. So what event & when was the trigger of the event(s)? What JA "needs" for her inability to recall the murder episode is amnesia, not an instant recall of whatever it was. Vietnam vets are back in the jungle; middle east vets are in caves or the desert; rape victims are back in the event again with a knife or a gun in their faces, or pain, or being tied up, etc., etc., etc.

So, is she re-living the abuse of the belt and/or the spoons at home from many years back? Is she re-experiencing sexual abuse -- at whose hands? We have heard zero about sexual abuse, IIRC. What is the incident? Being belittled by her parents or teachers (as in,"Jodi, you ignorant sl*t." Or just what? PTSD just doesn't make one grain of sense to me. I am not a psychiatrist or a psychologist.... but it just doesn't fit with what she has been telling us...:twocents: & MOO.

 

[Lucylu7]

My wish, is that anyone who cared and prayed and cried about baby Caylee, will not watch JB on HLN tomorrow. By giving him an audience, it seems to me, he is being rewarded and accepted. Vinnie and the rest of HLN should be shown that some things "entertaining" just flat out cross the line of decency. Caylee deserves respect....even in death. :cry:

Thanks for the heads up,I didn't know he was going to be on.I refuse to watch anything with him,he should be shunned the same as KC.Maybe that's not fair,but that's how I feel.I know he had a job to do and he did it,but it was dirty pool.Haven't been on the board much this weekend,trying to get yard work done,so once again, thanks for the heads up on JB.

 

[norcat]

Hellloo detective hottie :seeya:

Also the car rental guy said she came in with a man. MM, DB??

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One of her brothers lives in Redding.

 

[Isabelle]

I think I am probably in the wrong thread, and apologize in advance, but I was just listening to the taped phone sex and to me it sounds like she used some type of audio software to splice together pieces of different conversations. I think this might be what Travis was talking about being scammed. she could have used something as simple as Audacity.

I agree. It also sounds to me that this recording may have also been made on one off the older cassette decks, then recorded onto the phone. There is quite a bit of drag that sounds like slurring to me.

 

[Isabelle]

Just thinking about the accidental pictures of Jodi dragging Travis. In her wild rampage, Jodi may have accidentally set the camera on a timer to take pics every so often?

 

[Allyne Smithe]

The angry TA text was late 5/9 - early 5/10
The sex phone tape was 5/10
The sweet texts between both 2am 5/11

all in approx. 24hr period

Thanks. Can you tell me which angry TA text was late 5/9 - early 5/10? I want to get it right.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Just thinking about the accidental pictures of Jodi dragging Travis. In her wild rampage, Jodi may have accidentally set the camera on a timer to take pics every so often?

I also thought of that, but that wouldn't have been possible with that camera. The single-shot self-timer had a choice of either 2 seconds or 10 seconds, and the multiple-shot sequence mode would have taken photos much closer together.

Detective Melendez demonstrated in court how the camera, upside down, could take a photo with the slightest bit of pressure anywhere on the back of the camera. So Jodi's own big foot took the last two photos. (Laughing because some who saw her handstand commented on her big feet. Not sure if she has big feet or not.)

 

[Applejack]

Just thinking about the accidental pictures of Jodi dragging Travis. In her wild rampage, Jodi may have accidentally set the camera on a timer to take pics every so often?

The timing between the photos is irregular and that model doesn't have an mode to take photos so far apart automatically.

 

[Jimmynap]

Thanks. Can you tell me which angry TA text was late 5/9 - early 5/10? I want to get it right.

The one about Steve Carroll that starts -"Why don't you have him come and f--k you in the woods"

 

[Really?]

Just thinking about the accidental pictures of Jodi dragging Travis. In her wild rampage, Jodi may have accidentally set the camera on a timer to take pics every so often?

That......and how did the camera get out of the bathroom for that pic:waitasec: