wasnt_me
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:furious: are you trying to destroy my theory? :what:
Just looking for the truth. :rocker:
:furious: are you trying to destroy my theory? :what:
How about coming out of a shower with wet feet, wet hands, wet everything and trying to pick her up to body slam her and somehow he remains standing. That is some fete. jmo
Definitely all on tile. I just can't figure out whether it is more likely the pool of blood got on the carpet before or after this photo. If the pool of blood got there afterwards, TA must've somehow moved himself there as I think JA was trying to stop him from getting there. If the blood got there before, why is JA standing between TA and the bedroom? I would think she would try to drag TA back to the bathroom by his feet.
The smear I'm thinking of is the long smear on the left hallway wall as you face the bathroom. It is shown in the crime scene photos, but this smear is not visible in the first bleeding photo. It would be interesting to see how that smear aligns with the position of TA in that photo. It looks like there could be a close correspondence, but I always imagined that TA would've created this smear as he fell forward moving away from the bathroom. But, in this photo, TA is on his back.
I think the smear I'm thinking of and the palm print were found on the same wall. I could be wrong though.
" it looks like he attacked her.."
What makes it look like he attacked her? He was sitting down in the shower with a scared look on his face---seconds later he is shot in the head.
I don't think the defense has shown the jury anything to make them believe he attacked her. JMO
" she didn't premeditate it.."
She did premeditate her secret trip to Arizona. Why would she go to such great lengths to hide that visit to Travis's if she had no nefarious plans?
" she spontaneously grabs a knife to defend herself.."
Were the wounds in his back self defense? And how does she spontaneously grab a knife? She had no injuries herself. How could it be a fight for her own life and she has no bruises, or broken bones, other than the cvut she got from using the knife to stab him?
Sorry for being a wet blanket. No KY on me though.![]()
Remember with a circumstantial case, you are required to look for an innocent explanation for each circumstantial piece because we have the presumption of innocence.
I can find an innocent explanation for each circumstantial piece of evidence he uses to show premeditation, including the gun, because, according to him, she did not kill him with the gun.
On the hand hand, if she starts by stealing a gun, and ends by killing him with that very same gun, then everything in between turns very strongly in favor of premeditation.
The gun is his strongest puzzle piece for premeditation and he throws the gun in the trash.
IMO
SS...
One problem is we are looking at pictures of pictures, not the best quality. Apparently with the actual photo JM had it shows more clearly the cap wasn't visible and Melendez answered accordingly. I still think they are laying on two different bedspreads all within 50 sec with (perhaps one with a cap one without) with the KY facing in two different directions. I'm hoping to see in rebuttal why this question was asked.
Looking at the bedspreads, are they the same or not? What do you think? Anyone?
As long as you understand you are asking me to defend something I don't believe, I could defend it--
What makes it look like he attacked her?
He's sitting in the shower and then the camera goes kaflooey. That's when he jumps out of the shower at her and throws her to the floor. She gets up and grabs the knife because she thinks he's going to kill her and the rest is history. The knife is there from cutting the rope earlier.
She did premeditate her secret trip to Arizona. Why would she go to such great lengths to hide that visit to Travis's if she had no nefarious plans?
Travis told her, like he did so many times before, to hide her visit, especially from her new boyfriend Ryan, and she complied. The gas was in case she ran out in the desert on the way to Ryan's. The phone battery charger really went missing.
Were the wounds in his back self defense? And how does she spontaneously grab a knife? She had no injuries herself. How could it be a fight for her own life and she has no bruises, or broken bones, other than the cvut she got from using the knife to stab him
Wounds in his back-- He had a bear hold on her and she reached around his back with the knife trying to get him to break the hold [defense brought this up]. She had no major injuries no matter what you call it. It just worked out that way. She probably had bruises. It wasn't proven that she didn't. She was wearing long sleeves in the middle of summer with Ryan. She just grabbed the knife off the bathroom counter where it was left earlier.
How'd I do?:seeya:
The real reason she wasn't hurt at all is because poor Travis was so disabled by the gunshot wound in the shower he could never mount a real defense against her. IMO :furious:
Just wanted to make a few points backing BW0000's theory about the pics of 6/4/08: * please read, BW0000 & Sleuth5:
1. We all know Travis was human and Travis was weak: Which is why he continued to engage in the kinky sex with JA, long after he knew she was really not someone he wanted to be involved with.
2. And yet, as BW0000 points out, the email of May 26 had an air of finality about it. We know that it's said that stalkers often escalate to rage and violence when a final break is made - even though, ironically, you are indeed supposed to break with them.
3. Travis took Jodi's name off the Cancun trip, and replaced it with Mimi's. Mimi had said they should go only as friends due to Travis' admited status of being "temple unworthy".
4. We know such a status came from having come clean to Church elders. This is not a light matter: He has allowed those he serves and respects to know of his mistake with Jodi, and he is willing to publicly be on probation. Think about it: He was scared. He was finished. What else could the elders have told this much-cherished and much-honored youth but to "break with her completely." ???
4a. We see in his blog post of May 18 - 2 1/2 weeks before his murder - that he is longing for a wife, longing to be a good Mormon.
5. Was Travis SO weak that on June 4, given all of the above, he would indulge in lying around, using KY, posing for Calvin Klein like sultry shower pics, and taking graphic pics of a woman who had cost him Lisa, Mimi, and his standing in the church???? Think about it. Travis was done. Jodi knew this. Ergo, she had murder in her heart, and on her mind. He would sense this.
6. I believe she was never invited in and ambushed him. As per my other posts, I believe the shower pics and the sex pics were from a much earlier date.
Thanks. I can see how that diagram could fit, but it puzzles me why there is no blood staining from below the upper chest area. I would think the would have had lots of blood down his torso. If he was on his back, I would expect the same too. Why is that one area clear. I wonder if something was lying on the carpet keeping blood off of it.
You did a good enough job to join the defense team. >lol
I don't think the jury is going to buy it though. Why would you jump up and kill someone over a camera that wasn't even broken?
And they did a horrible job at trying to convince anyone of the previous 'attacks' by Travis. I don't think anyone believe her about that. Especially the way she suddenly threw in that last one, the choking incident. Never mentioned before, but suddenly throws it out there as if it was true.
I think her latest attempt to throw in new info, when she tried to put the knife in TA's hand BACKFIRED big time. Even she knew that was a hamhanded attempt to add a new layer of BS.
Possibly, but I am still not sure of it, given the ennumerated reasons in my post. Possibly, but i has me doubts.......I has me doubts....Recall, he had broken with her publicly. He was way beyond exsasperated.
I don't buy it right away. He would have just peed in the shower. :twocents:
You can only use what is proven in court. Did he prove she is a narcissist? Most people, outside of professionals, don't even know what a narcissist is, much less try to diagnose someone they have never met.
That's neither here nor there. I just am mentioning it to show you how you are not thinking like a jury. Because a jury member might think to themselves she is a narcissist, if they happen to know what that is, but unless that is proven in court, it won't enter into the mix.
I am talking about his case, not about what you think. The problem is there is the evidence in court, and then there's what the rest of us know about, and all the chatter back and forth, which is totally different from what is going on in court.
This is why everyone was blindsided by the Casey Anthony verdict.
IMO
BBM
Only the one I did. LOL
http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/g...=3&o=11&_suid=1364075906921047590710712553596
Thanks, I think lol.
When did she try to put the knife in TA's hand? I missed that one.
You think hewas on his back, correct?
I'm really struggling with this photo. What exactly are we looking at? I've looked at it until my eyes are bleary. I can't line up the blood streaks with the preceding photo, and I can't figure out how the body is oriented.
Can anyone help?
Dave