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I do think there is a double standard at play in the opinions of various posters,.

I am sure I am taking your quote out of context, at least not how you intended it but I am not doing it in a bad way.

I have thought a lot about this the last few days and have been hesitant about my response to many what I presume to be female posters here.

So many of the comments regarding Travis I feel are so far from reality, guys just are not that way, there may be a couple, but I do not think Travis was one of them. Travis I do not feel was conflicted over his sexual prowess or escapades. Men normally do not feel guilty over what the other head decides to do. I do not see Travis at home alone brooding over riding the hobby horse with Jodie or whatever else they may have done prior sexually.

Thinking about male sexuality and crime, the main thing that comes to mind is a heterosexual male having homosexual tendencies or being excited by a male and being conflicted by it. Like some of the transvestites that have been murdered after a sexual encounter. I do not see Travis being conflicted over his sexuality with Jodie because of religious reasons, I think this pertains more to a woman's perspective.

From watching Travis on video with his Eddie Snell persona, does not seem like the type that would get conflicted over a sexual encounter.

Like I said I was hesitant to posting, hopefully none of this will offend but to dismiss sex altogether in this thread really can not be done.
 
Would be nice to know how it was actually used, could make a huge difference in this case.

It was stated that Jodi introduced Travis to the use of the K-Y lube.

I don't of too many reasons people have this but I could be missing something.


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Now my question is how they intend to turn him holding onto her sexually
into her being unable to escape him. I mean she was out of state.
She was free so to speak. I think this relationship was mutually
unhealthy so how will they try to overcome the same things being debated about with Travis.

Also, how will they try to overcome the three acts which each independently
could have killed him? I think the defense will pretty much have to claim that
he kept coming at her or the defense will not stand. If there is a photo of her dragging him as mentioned by the prosecution, how can they turn that into her still being the vulnerable one?

Do you guys think they will claim that she had to finish him off or he'd come for her later?

Thoughts?
 
I am sure I am taking your quote out of context, at least not how you intended it but I am not doing it in a bad way.

I have thought a lot about this the last few days and have been hesitant about my response to many what I presume to be female posters here.

So many of the comments regarding Travis I feel are so far from reality, guys just are not that way, there may be a couple, but I do not think Travis was one of them. Travis I do not feel was conflicted over his sexual prowess or escapades. Men normally do not feel guilty over what the other head decides to do. I do not see Travis at home alone brooding over riding the hobby horse with Jodie or whatever else they may have done prior sexually.

Thinking about male sexuality and crime, the main thing that comes to mind is a heterosexual male having homosexual tendencies or being excited by a male and being conflicted by it. Like some of the transvestites that have been murdered after a sexual encounter. I do not see Travis being conflicted over his sexuality with Jodie because of religious reasons, I think this pertains more to a woman's perspective.

From watching Travis on video with his Eddie Snell persona, does not seem like the type that would get conflicted over a sexual encounter.

Like I said I was hesitant to posting, hopefully none of this will offend but to dismiss sex altogether in this thread really can not be done.

I am female but I served four years living in small housing areas with service men. I know how even many "good" guys think. I see Travis as the classic guy
dating a girl he doesn't want his friends to know he's with. Saying things like
" she's stalking me" or basically telling people that he doesn't like her
but she's perusing him. its pretty classic ,especially if other people didn't like her. It explains to them why she's still around but meanwhile he's calling her, texting her, emailing her. He had a persona to keep up to be accepted in his group of friends and to go along with his job but their secret relationship was unhealthy and the more undercover it was the more of a Romeo and Juliet complex it could become. " no one understands us because they do not know the whole story and never will".

I do not doubt that she killed him because she finally got sick of being his girl on the DL. Not justification by any means but it makes more sense based on what I see than saying she was a stalker and he just kept telling her to go away but had sex with her over and over.
 
Unless this person can provide a solid link to that information I'm not buying into it. Many believe this is the same person who ran the caseyanthonyisinnocent.com website. I am very skeptical that this information is at all accurate.

me either!!!!!!! :furious:
 
With all due respect I am in the middle of a psych degree .I am fully aware of the biological reasoning behind why men are more likely to be less emotionally invested when sex is involved and why women are more apt to think
twice. There being a reason for it does not change the fact that
it is present and because "it is reality", it is glazed over by society.

It is ok if he continues to bed a "psychopath" because he is a man and
cannot help himself? His sex drive is so strong that he can ignore
her slitting his tires, her threats to friends and her apparent breakins?

He did nothing but accept sex from a psychopath? So he didn't
talk to her on the phone as witness by phone records? He didn't email
back and forth with her as discussed in court already?
He did not enter into a financial contract with her also represented in court?
While I do not think she's innocent I do think there is more to the
story. For those who think its cut and dry and all he did was objectify
the woman and that's fine. That's where I see a double standard.

Oh poor guy all he did was have sex with an unstable woman and pull her strings. While we are talking about biology I guess that means if she killed him out of jealousy ( a biologically motivated response as well) then she is hardly
responsible for her actions.

It sounds like they started off dating and then were boyfriend/girlfriend for a few months. Then they broke up. Kept in touch....not sure who kept in touch more with whom. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if they were together, booty calling, broken up etc.

This is a case of fatal domestic violence. The reason why she killed him doesn't matter. It mattered to her in her own head on that day.
 
It sounds like they started off dating and then were boyfriend/girlfriend for a few months. Then they broke up. Kept in touch....not sure who kept in touch more with whom. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if they were together, booty calling, broken up etc.

This is a case of fatal domestic violence. The reason why she killed him doesn't matter. It mattered to her in her own head on that day.

I consider myself a devout student of humanity. So while I see how
in the case it should not save her life it does matter to me.
 
I am female but I served four years living in small housing areas with service men. I know how even many "good" guys think. I see Travis as the classic guy
dating a girl he doesn't want his friends to know he's with. Saying things like
" she's stalking me" or basically telling people that he doesn't like her
but she's perusing him. its pretty classic ,especially if other people didn't like her. It explains to them why she's still around but meanwhile he's calling her, texting her, emailing her. He had a persona to keep up to be accepted in his group of friends and to go along with his job but their secret relationship was unhealthy and the more undercover it was the more of a Romeo and Juliet complex it could become. " no one understands us because they do not know the whole story and never will".

I do not doubt that she killed him because she finally got sick of being his girl on the DL. Not justification by any means but it makes more sense based on what I see than saying she was a stalker and he just kept telling her to go away but had sex with her over and over.
What you describe may be true or not, but she was still stalking him. Slashed tires twice, she followed him on his first date with Mimi, and she sent anonymous "John Doe" email to Mimi warning her not to sleep with him (in so many words). And his friend said she would sneak into his house in the middle of the night through the dog door. (Which is funny, no house key given to her but he lets her have his passwords online, right) So he really wasn't making up the "she's a stalker" part, because she was. I guess his sex drive blurred his better judgement. He should have cut all ties with her.
 
I think it's possible that the guy was Mormon, a virgin and met her and experimented. He thought she was attractive and wanted to have sex. It's not a crime. She thought she was set for life with an attractive, well-to-do guy who had morals and would take care of her. He probably realized he was in too deep, so he cut it off. Due to his religious up bringing and his childhood, it was hard. Who hasn't dealt with a guy that's said "I'll call you" and surprise- dude didn't call? I know I never stalked the dude, moved a few states to be close to him, stalked his new girlfriends, and I sure as hell never ever killed the guy. I moved on. Of course he was immature to sleep with her after. But that doesn't mean he deserved to be murdered brutally- worse than an animal. She didn't just murder him- she butchered him. The things that Arias did before she murdered Travis Alexander, during the murder of Travis Alexander, and after the murder of Travis Alexander scream "this girl deserves the death penalty." It's a slap in the face of a human being who died way too young. She snuffed out a light before its time. LWOP is too good for her because she's too delusional to believe she did anything wrong.
 
I guess his sex drive blurred his better judgement. He should have cut all ties with her.
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I think that's what many of us are saying. The fact that he didn't does not mean that he deserved to die it just makes the story a bit more complicated than he was good. she was bad. She killed him. The end.
 
With all due respect I am in the middle of a psych degree .I am fully aware of the biological reasoning behind why men are more likely to be less emotionally invested when sex is involved and why women are more apt to think
twice. There being a reason for it does not change the fact that
it is present and because "it is reality", it is glazed over by society.

It is ok if he continues to bed a "psychopath" because he is a man and
cannot help himself? His sex drive is so strong that he can ignore
her slitting his tires, her threats to friends and her apparent breakins?

He did nothing but accept sex from a psychopath? So he didn't
talk to her on the phone as witness by phone records? He didn't email
back and forth with her as discussed in court already?
He did not enter into a financial contract with her also represented in court?
While I do not think she's innocent I do think there is more to the
story. For those who think its cut and dry and all he did was objectify
the woman and that's fine. That's where I see a double standard.

Oh poor guy all he did was have sex with an unstable woman and pull her strings. While we are talking about biology I guess that means if she killed him out of jealousy ( a biologically motivated response as well) then she is hardly
responsible for her actions
.


OK, I am in NO way any sort of psych "expert"....although I take a chitload of meds...LOL

Nevertheless...NOBODY "deserves" to be treated that way OR do NOT, even more so, deserve to be murdered.

So, yes, "biologically" speaking, men have a propensity toward sexual behavior/desires...basically, thinking with the "little head" as opposed to the "big one" AKA their brains...some men have a greater sex drive than morals.
Women have similar "biological" desires, etc, but, SOME have the ability to decide NOT to....again, sometimes not.

Jealousy goes BOTH ways. Men can be, and women, as well. BUT, jealousy is NOT an "inherent" quality, as the act of "procreation" (sexual desire) is.
AND, needless to say, jealousy is NEVER a quality that naturally progresses to murder. Yet, sometimes it DOES. And, in those cases, the SAME EXACT things are said about the man.

So, I'm probably NOT getting the "double standard" and the BBM statement is a "huh???" moment for me.
Ya know what, YES, "the poor guy, all he did WAS have sex with an unstable women and pull her strings"!!! That's it in a nutshell. I can't see where there's a debate on that, IMO.
He acted like a schmuck, yet she kept coming back. Why?? Who the eff knows??? She wanted to, she didn't want to give up, she COULDN'T give up, he was a "challenge", best sex she ever had...on and on.

Sooo, apparently, TA called her every possible thing to hurt her in an email. She acted like a psycho...slashed his tires, etc. Yet, there they are...with pics to prove it.
Why??? He's a HORNTOAD!!!! He can't stop himself, best sex, he wants it, she does it, she's available...again, the list goes on....just like the reasons SHE kept it going. Just like so many "other" situations. It's called "eff buddies". I'm pretty sure, by June 4th, and the nasty email from TA, and all the other comments, she kinda got that idea.

Again, not getting what the "double standard" is??? If nothing else, when a woman gets murdered by a "jealous" man, HE'S looked at as the biggest monster in the world. Regardless of what the woman did to "pull his strings"....regardless of the fact he was a psycho, slashed her tires, etc. and yet she is still seeing him
For the man, there NEVER is a reason...AND, self defense??? Ever hear THAT and have people look at the man as a "victim"???



Oh, in the defense opening "what would TRAVIS have done to FORCE her to do it".

Kinda sad, no???


I hope I didn't offend anyone, AND, hope I'm making at least some sense...LOL
Again, as always, just IMO.
 
Is that true of all murderers? Sounded good in their head at the time? I don't buy it. She murdered him in cold blood. She brought weapons 1,000 miles in order to do it. When he didn't cancel his plans with another woman, she killed him.
End of story. If she couldn't have him on her terms, no one could.
 
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I think that's what many of us are saying. The fact that he didn't does not mean that he deserved to die it just makes the story a bit more complicated than he was good. she was bad. She killed him. The end.
It really doesn't make it more complicated. Having poor judgement nor not being able to say no to sex aren't criminal acts. The only issue that complicates matters is the murder in self-defense claim and that Travis was an abuser. She and her defense team have created the bad/good scenario. It wasn't that one was good and the other bad. It was just that one had poor judgement and the other is an enraged psychopath. There is only one victim in this case and it isn't Jodi.
 
Would be nice to know how it was actually used, could make a huge difference in this case.

How could a bottle of lube make a huge difference in this case? Am I missing something?

Or are you being facetious?
 
I have just started following this case, but can't figure out why the media is portraying this cold, plain looking woman as a brunette "beauty"? Am I missing something? :waitasec:
 
Yeah actually I kinda am, no I do not think that is what happened but I would not be surprised that they actually try to weave all stories together, she did this but he was still alive, someone else came in and finished him off. I know it makes no sense but nothing else actually makes any sense about her crime either, especially not removing the sd card.

Were there actually two cameras? TA is said to have had a new camera but Jodie surely had one as well.


The crime itself makes sense if you look at it as a situation in which an obsessed woman came with a gun and bullets and a plan of some origin to possibly use that gun on a man who was rejecting her. She is thoroughly enraged at being rejected because she wants a future with him and rejection = abandonment to her. Maybe she was hoping that one last night together/morning together would allow him to see the light and want to be with her. Delusional thought given he hadn't shown he was interested in her beyond the booty calls. She probably never understood that sex =/= love for many men, perhaps most men, and certainly *this* man. She either has or gets a knife when she realizes he's going to really and truly take another woman to Cancun and not take her. The rage builds and we see the result of that.

The parts that don't make sense are:

1. her futile attempt at a cleanup and then trying to be involved/not involved/put the blame on someone else side of it...i.e. the aftermath. Not very smart or logical with the choices she made wrt the camera, the card inside the camera, the laundry, and many, many other things.

2. her and her defense team's belief that she/they can say (and convince anyone) this was a killing due to self-defense.
 
I'm listening to the defense's opening statement on In Session. Defense says in "one minute," Jodi dropped camera, Travis went ballistic, and then she attacked him in self-defense...

So how is it that Jodi gets her hand on a knife "in one minute?" They were just having photo fun, right? So why would a knife be RIGHT THERE, in the bathroom?!

What's more, why would Travis want a before & after weight-loss picture taken of him IN THE SHOWER? Plus, the pic I saw of him wet in the shower doesn't even show his new body well. That was NOT a before & after shot!!

So... Where did Jodi find a knife in the bathroom, defense lady? Why was the knife even in the bathroom for a before & after photo session?

The defense is just regurgitating yet another of Jodi's cockamamie tales. Such a shame the State of Arizona has to waste time and money entertaining this goofy, rigged-up defense story.
 
I have just started following this case, but can't figure out why the media is portraying this cold, plain looking woman as a brunette "beauty"? Am I missing something? :waitasec:

It's just a way to sell the case. Jodi is young, thin, and likes to party. It's not hard for the media to call her "pretty" without it being too outrageous. On Nancy Grace's facebook, she keeps calling her "gorgeous" and a "bombshell". It's like they are trying to force the public to think of her that way.
 
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