Jodie Foster comes out.

[absinthe]

Yes, I have to agree with you...if I were gay my mom would be ok w/ it, but my dad....boy would he freak.
It's sad, I think (imo) that it is SO hard to find love in this world...if you CAN find it, no matter what/who you are one of the lucky ones.
I would have no problem if either of my 2 girls came out as gay.

Why does it always seem to be the men who have the biggest problem with homosexuality?

 

[southcitymom]

That statement would be SO offensive, if it weren't absolutely true.

All one needs do is attend any gay pride event (with the countless different groups that participate) and the notion of any one "gay agenda" becomes hysterically ridiculous.

(BTW, I assume you meant "notoriously," not "noxiously." )

Yes - I meant notoriously! And I agree that anybody who knows more than a handful of gay people has a grip on the reality that y'all aren't organized enough to hammer out an agenda that could suit all of you.

This is all to say that there is great diversity within the gay community just like there is great diversity within many other subsects of society.

 

[White Rain]

Why does it always seem to be the men who have the biggest problem who homosexuality?

I'm not sure....but I know that not only would my dad freak if I were gay, but if I were to be w/ someone of a different race....whooooo boy, I think my dad would rather I be gay that date a (mainly) black person. Either way, he'd freak....my mom, no prob. with me being gay but not sure how she'd act to interracial.

 

[southcitymom]

Why does it always seem to be the men who have the biggest problem who homosexuality?

I actually think men are more threatened by male homosexuality than female homosexuality. I mean think about it - most heterosexual *advertiser censored* movies include at least one lesbian scene. Most men don't object to women being gay - in fact, it kind of turns them on.

 

[absinthe]

I actually think men are more threatened by male homosexuality than female homosexuality. I mean think about it - most heterosexual *advertiser censored* movies include at least one lesbian scene. Most men don't object to women being gay - in fact, it kind of turns them on.

Lipstick lesbians turn them on. But butch, empowered, no nonsense lesbians? That's when you'll hear the d-word come out.

The thinking is, how could anyone woman possibly turn doen the glorious penis? *rolly eye* With lipstick lesbians, there's always the complicit knowledge that they're putting on a show for the pleasure of men.

 

[Glow]

On the most basic level how we "mammalians" view it it has to do with propagation of the species. Two women "getting it on" isn't going to change a thing (biologically) but when it is two men? Then you have the spilling of seed (semen) onto unfertile ground (two males) which could/would eventually over time pose a threat to the human race in loss of population. That alone would make it more taboo for men to be sexual together than women. That idea carried over subconsciously in the thinking is why it is viewed as more inappropriate for males to be homosexual that for females to be so.

 

[philamena]

On the most basic level how we "mammalians" view it it has to do with propagation of the species. Two women "getting it on" isn't going to change a thing (biologically) but when it is two men? Then you have the spilling of seed (semen) onto unfertile ground (two males) which could/would eventually over time pose a threat to the human race in loss of population. That alone would make it more taboo for men to be sexual together than women. That idea carried over subconsciously in the thinking is why it is viewed as more inappropriate for males to be homosexual that for females to be so.

Never thought about it that way.
Thanks for the explanation.

 

[absinthe]

On the most basic level how we "mammalians" view it it has to do with propagation of the species. Two women "getting it on" isn't going to change a thing (biologically) but when it is two men? Then you have the spilling of seed (semen) onto unfertile ground (two males) which could/would eventually over time pose a threat to the human race in loss of population. That alone would make it more taboo for men to be sexual together than women. That idea carried over subconsciously in the thinking is why it is viewed as more inappropriate for males to be homosexual that for females to be so.

I don't know..isn't a woman also "wasting" her eggs by engaging in sexual conduct with another woman? And I think most men spill a lot of seed on infertile ground anyways, whether gay or straight. Both masturbate, yes?

 

[Ticamom]

The movie is called "Little Darlings" and stars Tatum O'Neil and Kristy McNichol.I love that movie It also stars Matt Dillion.I was in love with Matt Dillion back in the day

Me too ! Matt Dillon was IT for me way back then, and come to think of it, he can still make my heart skip a beat or two now ! :woohoo:

 

[southcitymom]

Lipstick lesbians turn them on. But butch, empowered, no nonsense lesbians? That's when you'll hear the d-word come out.

The thinking is, how could anyone woman possibly turn doen the glorious penis? *rolly eye* With lipstick lesbians, there's always the complicit knowledge that they're putting on a show for the pleasure of men.

Very fair assessment!

 

[IdahoMom]

My thought is: who cares? I've long thought Jodie was gay, but that doesn't take anything away from her as a person. She's a great actress and appears to be a nice person. I hope she's very happy.

 

[luthersmama]

I don't know..isn't a woman also "wasting" her eggs by engaging in sexual conduct with another woman? And I think most men spill a lot of seed on infertile ground anyways, whether gay or straight. Both masturbate, yes?

When this theory first developed, nobody knew about eggs. The idea was that the man just had to sow his seed and the woman was an incubator to grow the baby. If she failed, it was because she was barren. Since you could see that the man was producing, any lack of fertility was clearly the fault of the woman.

And masturbation was also regarded as sinful for the same reason.

 

[christine2448]

true, most everyone knew she was gay a long time ago

I had no idear....not that it matters... she's Fab.

 

[absinthe]

When this theory first developed, nobody knew about eggs. The idea was that the man just had to sow his seed and the woman was an incubator to grow the baby. If she failed, it was because she was barren. Since you could see that the man was producing, any lack of fertility was clearly the fault of the woman.

And masturbation was also regarded as sinful for the same reason.

Oh, so this is a very old theory indeed! Interesting..

 

[Nova]

When this theory first developed, nobody knew about eggs. The idea was that the man just had to sow his seed and the woman was an incubator to grow the baby. If she failed, it was because she was barren. Since you could see that the man was producing, any lack of fertility was clearly the fault of the woman.

And masturbation was also regarded as sinful for the same reason.

Indeed. But we seem to have overcome our worries about masturbation much more quickly than our fears of male homosexuality. If the primary motivation is a subconscious and "vestigial" fear of depopulation, why haven't both taboos declined with equal speed in these overcrowded times?

 

[Glow]

Indeed. But we seem to have overcome our worries about masturbation much more quickly than our fears of male homosexuality. If the primary motivation is a subconscious and "vestigial" fear of depopulation, why haven't both taboos declined with equal speed in these overcrowded times?

I think it is because masturbation is done in private and so no one can really place a value judgement on what they haven't seen. Male homosexuality involves at the very least two people and everyone they talk to or are seen by as being in a relationship. The more people that are involved as "witnesses" = the more opportunities to judge the behavoir.

 

[TheShadow]

I think it is more than the "spilling of seed" that gives some hetero guys the willies when they think about gay guys. I think it is a deep-seated (as in anthropological, from the pre-evolution times) need for the male of the species to attempt to show dominance, like trying to be the alpha dog. Almost all species, the males compete to be the biggest strongest and to get to procreate with the females. To not be the dominant one means to be submissive and roll over for the big guy. That in human terms could be viewed as "shameful", or repugnant. No guy wants to be the one who runs off with his tail between his legs in a dominance contest. I think many straight guys can't imagine being gay because it means giving up that dominance, and that also explains why many straight guys would say " I'm not gay, but if I had to put in that position (long prison term for instance) I'd definitely be pitching and not catching."

I totally respect celebrities that keep their private lives private. If they live away from Hollyweird, most people hardly look twice at celebrities, and just treat them like the normal people they are.

 

[Nova]

I think it is more than the "spilling of seed" that gives some hetero guys the willies when they think about gay guys. I think it is a deep-seated (as in anthropological, from the pre-evolution times) need for the male of the species to attempt to show dominance, like trying to be the alpha dog. Almost all species, the males compete to be the biggest strongest and to get to procreate with the females. To not be the dominant one means to be submissive and roll over for the big guy. That in human terms could be viewed as "shameful", or repugnant. No guy wants to be the one who runs off with his tail between his legs in a dominance contest. I think many straight guys can't imagine being gay because it means giving up that dominance, and that also explains why many straight guys would say " I'm not gay, but if I had to put in that position (long prison term for instance) I'd definitely be pitching and not catching."

I totally respect celebrities that keep their private lives private. If they live away from Hollyweird, most people hardly look twice at celebrities, and just treat them like the normal people they are.

Very well put, Shadow! (Glow is also right, I think, about the difference between completely "private" behavior and behavior that is conducted with a partner.) Several pages back I quoted someone else's theory about male homosexuality involving a willing abdication of male privilege and how that threatens all our values.

Your post says something similar, but much more effectively, with clearer language and imagery. Thanks.

 

[BarnGoddess]

Been so busy today, I just found this thread. Jodie Foster, gay? Ho..hum.... I am so beyond the sex lives and sexual preferences of celebrities and even ordinary people. Even the conservative BarnGod has recently expressed he wouldn't oppose legal marriage for gays. Now that's a real biggie!!!! I just told him about Jodie and all he did was answer, "Oh, really?" and went back to his word search book.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

On the most basic level how we "mammalians" view it it has to do with propagation of the species. Two women "getting it on" isn't going to change a thing (biologically) but when it is two men? Then you have the spilling of seed (semen) onto unfertile ground (two males) which could/would eventually over time pose a threat to the human race in loss of population. That alone would make it more taboo for men to be sexual together than women. That idea carried over subconsciously in the thinking is why it is viewed as more inappropriate for males to be homosexual that for females to be so.

What about guys who masterbate? Doesn't that "spill the seed"?