Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 #2

[Zella]

it’s possible that the girl is not around when JD is there. And when JD is not there, then the girl is there to help Anna with the children.

By "there" do you mean their house? Because he is not allowed at their house. The court specifically barred him from visiting there or living there. If she wanted her kids to visit with him, they would have to go see him off the premises (presumably at the third-party guardian house he is staying), and the girl who is a helper would not be able to be part of the visit, AFAIK.

Or are you talking about before the arrest? My understanding is she lives with them, so she would have been around him any time he was home up until the point he was arrested.

 

[Sun]

I'm hoping that neighbors at his new place of residence, are not only keeping an eye out, but are also willing to do what it may take to keep the community safe.

 

[MsMarple]

More business dealings that Josh was involved in:

The real estate lawsuit involving ALB Investments, LLC, associated with Josh Duggar, is not over. Duggar’s new attorney is requesting for the “Quiet Title” September 2020 court decision to be reversed.
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Story was disqualified by the judge because he was listed as a manager of ALB’s tax documents, creating a conflict of interest.

The attorney who replaced Story was Joshua Bryant. Bryant is currently listed as the registered agent for ALB Investments, LLC, and Story as an officer, according to an Arkansas Secretary of State website search on May 17, 2021.
[Note: Josh has retained Justin Gelfand, Greg Payne and Travis W. Story as his defense attorneys in the CSAM case]

The real estate lawsuit involves Carl Echols, Edward L. Lewis, and ALB Investments, LLC. In April 2019, Echols sued his cousin, Lewis, accusing him of re-selling property he bought from him for $17,500 in 2006.
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“We won the actual case. My client, Carl Echols, got a deed and the property is titled in my client’s name,” said attorney Kesha (Chiappinelli) Zaffino.
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The exact owner of ALB Investments, LLC, is unknown since Arkansas, along with three other U.S. states — Delaware, New Mexico, and Wyoming — have confidentiality clauses (in Arkansas it’s Act 865 created in 2007).

The day ALB Investments, LLC was created, Josh and Anna Duggar sold their Siloam Springs home on the same day for $65,000, plus tax, — to ALB Investments [then located] in Siloam Springs.

The business address for ALB Investments is the same as the Siloam Springs house address on Kinchloe Road. Story signed the deed as the grantee and the notary public. The county-issued date stamp is the following day, according to the state document.
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In short, Josh and Anna Duggar sold the home to themselves.
The home on two acres, with five bedrooms and three baths, sold in February 2020 for $336,500, according to real estate websites.
Josh Duggar appeals real estate lawsuit after being a no show twice

More info at the link. Upshot is that IMO one should be careful when doing business with Josh Duggar. Too bad he and Anna decided to live in a warehouse instead of the home.

 

[SD123Me]

I believe a trial of this nature should be televised. Like Jodi Arias. I really do not want the wife or anyone else to have room to give their own version of the evidence that was provided or to be able to speak about conspiracies. I want to see and hear it all for myself.

 

[SD123Me]

So, if convicted of the minimum amount of time, can the offender also get released early and serve the rest of the time on probation?

That is probably why the judge stipulated Duggar could be with his children if Anna was also there.

I bet Anna Duggar and her children will be moving soon. The shed she currently lives in on the Duggar property is listed as same address as the main Duggar house, so if Josh Duggar went there, he would violate parole. Being in proximity to other children, siblings, neice, nephews.

There must have been a lot of slick maneuvering with the legal networking to allow Josh Duggar the latitude to be around his own children with his wife as "supervision". That disgusts me. So much for protecting children. The man had CSAM for toddlers, and he has children that age! And he is allowed to be with them?! Plus a history of being a predator?! Outrageous.

I understand that we do not want to criticize the rest of the family, but does their religious status and the fact that they live a cult-like isolated existence, mean that DCFS cannot pick up all of the minors and have them examined for signs of abuse? I find it really disturbing that the law somehow does not seem to reach them unless it has no choice but to. JD is home? Why? He can see his own children and the mother allows this. There are so many warning signs here and a judge that really may live to regret her decisions if he makes more bad choices. Let’s be honest, he has nothing left to lose. <modsnip>

 

[SD123Me]

Would you bail out your son from jail with charges like this? Gotta say, Bud, you are on your own.

JB Duggar has not only bailed Josh out of jail, he found the best attorney possible, and found him a place to live while he is out on bail. Impressive.

Is that being a "good parent"? Or enabling? At what point should parents let adult "children" be "adults", and be responsible for their own actions?

That was JBD showing his daughters that they tempted Josh. So sickening. I’ve been reading everything I can to understand this religion and one thing is certain- men rule and women are the support team with no human rights.
And to answer your question, NO, my son would be on his own if this was history. I would be getting that wife back to MN with the kids and away from the situation, so she can’t reproduce with him.

 

[SD123Me]

And if/when they are released, they need to be monitored for a loooong time. At least now he’ll be on the Sex Offender Registry, hopefully for life.

If you live on or near your family’s compound and they are willing to protect you at all cost... what good does it do to place him on a sexual offender registry? Assaulting his sisters in a sexual manner and becoming a regular member of Ashley Madison did nothing to sway these people. They continued to stand beside him and help him move forward. Not only did they fail at teaching him Christian values, he has no morals.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

Religion and politics are two subjects that will lead to derailing the thread and end up in members bickering over things that are not directly related to the case at hand.

Please stay focused on the case against Josh Duggar without bringing in general discussion about the church itself or political affiliations. Unless it somehow becomes known that the church or politics is responsible for Josh Duggar's actions, they are off topic in this discussion.

Thanks for your understanding.

 

[Zella]

I believe a trial of this nature should be televised. Like Jodi Arias. I really do not want the wife or anyone else to have room to give their own version of the evidence that was provided or to be able to speak about conspiracies. I want to see and hear it all for myself.

Since it's federal, I don't believe cameras/filming will be allowed in the courtroom, so I think if it goes to trial, it will just be sketches, like for the bond hearing. That being said, if it does go to trial, I do think all of the details of what he was downloading and watching are going to come out in the testimony, which will be reported, and I imagine that nobody connected to him is really prepared for that. If she attends the trial, she'll be seeing and hearing all of it too.

 

[nyvictoria]

If you live on or near your family’s compound and they are willing to protect you at all cost... what good does it do to place him on a sexual offender registry? Assaulting his sisters in a sexual manner and becoming a regular member of Ashley Madison did nothing to sway these people. They continued to stand beside him and help him move forward. Not only did they fail at teaching him Christian values, he has no morals.

I agree the registry is pretty much useless in this case. The coverup and enabling are just as criminal. I’ve found the offender registry useful when looking and deciding where to live. I like that I can plug in an address and see if there are sex offenders nearby.

 

[Shamrock1]

The greatest threat to our kids is their sibling, relative, or trusted adult - not a stranger, whether on the registry or not IMO. It’s not pleasant to think of your brother, best friend, or grandfather as a threat to your child.

 

[SD123Me]

I agree the registry is pretty much useless in this case. The coverup and enabling are just as criminal. I’ve found the offender registry useful when looking and deciding where to live. I like that I can plug in an address and see if there are sex offenders nearby.

I found an old high school teacher on Family Watchdog. It is a good tool for mainstream America. Not sure about “off the radar” America.

 

[MsMarple]

Media is stalking Josh at his new place of residence and the homeowner said they didn't feel safe. One day after Josh moved in. ETA to clarify - homeowner fears the media person, not Josh. Call is at the link:

Former television reality personality, Josh Duggar, arrived at his temporary place of residence on May 5, 2021, two days later the police were called.
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KNWA/FOX24 has obtained the 911 call made by the homeowner where Duggar is staying.
911 call placed from Josh Duggar's court-ordered home
Josh's guardian called 911 & claimed family 'no longer feels safe'

 

[Sun]

The homeowner certainly has the right to keep unwanted people off the property. But, that 911 call seemed quite strange to me.

 

[tayaway]

The homeowner certainly has the right to keep unwanted people off the property. But, that 911 call seemed quite strange to me.

When the operator asked "anonymous" if they were reporters staked out at the end of her driveway and did she know what it was about, she gave quite a long pause before declining to talk about it. Hope being good pals with Jim Bob is worth it.

 

[Inthedetails]

Media is stalking Josh at his new place of residence and the homeowner said they didn't feel safe. One day after Josh moved in. ETA to clarify - homeowner fears the media person, not Josh. Call is at the link:

Former television reality personality, Josh Duggar, arrived at his temporary place of residence on May 5, 2021, two days later the police were called.
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KNWA/FOX24 has obtained the 911 call made by the homeowner where Duggar is staying.
911 call placed from Josh Duggar's court-ordered home
Josh's guardian called 911 & claimed family 'no longer feels safe'

Did we not all predict this would not go well?

She didn't want to do this and now she is in over her head....while her husband isn't around.

Josh needs to find other arrangments. His presence is stressing that woman out on the first day. The reporters are not going to just go away.

jmo

 

[Gibbo214]

Did the home owner not expect this? With all the publicity it has garnered?

 

[BeckyF]

Did we not all predict this would not go well?

She didn't want to do this and now she is in over her head....while her husband isn't around.

Josh needs to find other arrangments. His presence is stressing that woman out on the first day. The reporters are not going to just go away.

jmo

BBM And I hope they don’t. Jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Did the home owner not expect this? With all the publicity it has garnered?

It's my understanding that the man of the house decided this would be a fine arrangement. Easy for him to say since he travels for work and isn't home to deal with it. The wife didn't want to do it, but deferred to her husband's decision. The wife is not able to handle this....and she doesn't want to!

Poor decisions all around, and the wife is the one who has to put up with it (joyfully I assume).

jmo

 

[JDough]

Josh's guardian called 911 & claimed family 'no longer feels safe'

From the article @MsMarple posted upthread:

Are these minor children?
"M" is a homemaker, and shares a son and daughter with her husband.

Does the entire religious community protect its members?
[...] living with third party custodians "L" and "M", who are longtime friends of Jim Bob and Michelle.

Once again; it's okay, Josh, we'll protect you. What ever happened to suffering the consequences of one's actions? He's an adult for goodness sake!
Jim Bob is doing everything he can for Josh, and he's worried about the attention on him and the family.

I really do not understand this. Why charge him if he has unlimited access to any child?
[Neighbor] also confirmed Josh’s pregnant wife Anna and their six children have visited. Josh has unlimited access to his six children with Anna, 32, as long as she is present.

This just breaks my heart:
The source said at the time of his arrest: "Anna is standing by her husband as she always has".

This poor woman had no choice in whether or not JD came to live in her home, disrupt her livelihood, safety, and daily routine.
[...] minors come in and out of the home for piano lessons, but that they are always supervised by an adult. The judge agreed, however, to remove the firearms from the home and not have the lessons there as well.


Will he not have access to the internet or children if he leaves the home for any of these reasons?
According to conditions of release, Josh is restricted to the residence at all times except for employment, education, religious services, [...]

This entire case makes me so mad I could spit. It almost feels like the protection of children is not the main priority of either the family members, or the court. He will have numerous opportunities to offend again if not constantly observed. Unfortunately, his wife hasn't been the best chaperone- he continued to feed his "addiction" right under her nose.