Josh Duggar charged with Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material, 29 April 2021 *guilty* #3

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I appreciate what you are saying, but it’s not accurate to state that the only “crime” is supporting their son. The mother failed to report that 4 of her students were sexually assaulted. (Statute long gone on that). The parents gave the victims a bedroom lock, extra diaper duty, and lessons in modesty in response to them being molested. This is not an attack on anyone’s religion. JMO.

My "crime" comment was specifically referring to what he was on trial for, not the disgusting incidents when he was younger. While failing to report the previous sexual assaults was (IMHO) inexcusable (and how it's been reported they handled it), I think those around him, supporting him, genuinely did not believe he ever downloaded the vile CSAM he was charged with.

Now they know for a fact, he did. That's going to take some time to process for all of them. It doesn't matter who you are or what you believe, if you find out someone you love did the unthinkable, it's a dreadfully painfully truth to process.

jmo
 
I appreciate what you are saying, but it’s not accurate to state that the only “crime” is supporting their son. The mother failed to report that 4 of her students were sexually assaulted. (Statute long gone on that). The parents gave the victims a bedroom lock, extra diaper duty, and lessons in modesty in response to them being molested. This is not an attack on anyone’s religion. JMO.

To be fair, I don't think this accurately characterizes what I've read about the steps they took to see that it didn't happen again and see that the girls' were supported. I have not followed this family extensively, but I believe I did read that the parents initially decided to handle this privately, within the home. I think Josh was 12 when the incident happened, but even at 14 or 15, I think this would have been my decision, too. (Obviously, LE were eventually involved, with questionable results.)

I've read that the parents had their own discussion with him; enlisted help from a counselor; created greater separation between the sexes, including the girls having a bedroom lock, and perhaps, yes, discussed modesty with them.

The above post seems to be that the parents blame the girls, rather than Josh, because they teach their children about modesty and draw a relationship between keeping sexuality underwraps and others acting out sexually. I don't see this in any way as a reality.

There should be modesty in a home, IMO. However, teaching modesty certainly doesn't, in any logical way, erase the blame of molestation by Josh, on Josh.

Here's the principle: A person, any person, who tempts another to do something wrong, even if only due to carelessness, is to some degree, wrong to do so. If one person tempts a person they know is an alcoholic with alcohol, that person is guilt of.....tempting the person to abuse alcohol. His guilt stands alone. The person who actually drinks the alcohol, knowing that it will lead to abuse of alcohol, is guilty of.....drinking alcohol knowing that it will lead to abuse.

Back to modesty: Neither sex should be overly "familiar" with the other in a home, especially with children, and that seems to include covering up in my book.

And extra diaper work: Well, for years women have done all the diaper work, and men have done all the outdoor/rough work, dug the ditches, drained the sewers, killed the vermin and predators, and fixed the carburetors. I know most people don't like to divide the work like that anymore, but that's the tendency for the Duggars. What should they have done? They tried the "woke" way, and thought it wasn't appropriate, considering the situation, so the girls picked up some diaper changes.

It's funny, but I haven't seen those young women complain about diaper changing at all, but they sure have complained about the "revictimization" of having their molestation be made public.

Also, I think it apt to note a couple of other items: Josh is the only person in the family, that I know of, who has ever been accused of molestation or anything like it. The father and other sons have never had any questions about their behavior. That tells me that Josh is the problem, and they tried to change/help it, and isolate it. They failed. I don't care for the Duggars for many reasons, but I do think they've received much vitriol because people don't like them and their way of life.

Also, I find the vitriol toward them amusing at times, because as I sit here at my desk I am surrounded by more pedophiles and rapists than I can count. Pretty much anywhere you go in this country, you can check the sex offender list and find hundreds of them within two square miles. They're everywhere. I'm quite sure that none of the ones who live near me have ever stepped inside a church or would consider or even imagine living the lifestyle of the Duggars.
 
Josh Duggar was smiling because he knows he will be released from jail in 4 months.
Please someone correct me if I’m wrong - in 4 months Josh faces up to 20 years “or” $250,000 in fines for each count. Prosecutors said he would only be sentenced on the one count of receipt. I don’t think $250,000 will be a problem for Jim Bob to come up with in 4 months.
He won’t be released in 4 months, sentencing may take up to 4 months. It is my understanding that punishment is imprisonment AND possibly a fine. If the article says “or” it’s a mistake.
 
I appreciate what you are saying, but it’s not accurate to state that the only “crime” is supporting their son. The mother failed to report that 4 of her students were sexually assaulted. (Statute long gone on that). The parents gave the victims a bedroom lock, extra diaper duty, and lessons in modesty in response to them being molested. This is not an attack on anyone’s religion. JMO.
IMO all the family are getting tarred with one feather. These are all individuals. Some played a role in what has transpired over the years, some have not. Some have been victims in it all.
 
My "crime" comment was specifically referring to what he was on trial for, not the disgusting incidents when he was younger. While failing to report the previous sexual assaults was (IMHO) inexcusable (and how it's been reported they handled it), I think those around him, supporting him, genuinely did not believe he ever downloaded the vile CSAM he was charged with.

Now they know for a fact, he did. That's going to take some time to process for all of them. It doesn't matter who you are or what you believe, if you find out someone you love did the unthinkable, it's a dreadfully painfully truth to process.

jmo

IMO, this is the nub of the problem. I'm not at all sure that the fact of JD's crimes -- and the further facts of the horrific degree to which the children were abused in those videos and images -- is certain to be accepted by the Duggar family and their supporters.

Phantom hacker, satanic conspiracy, crooked co-worker -- these are as likely to be the facts of the case in the stories that some family members and supporters tell themselves and each other about this trial.

I don't care one whit about the Duggars. But I do care about and fear for possible future victims of JD. And getting the facts straight about what he did and who he is will play a big role in heading off further offences, IMO.

So hats off to those in his family and community who have come forward and who have supported JD's victims. May there be many more of them.
 
This is a long read, but may offer insight on where Josh will be housed and why. Page 8 indicates the point system. Pages 8-22 is a good read. How points are calculated start on page 30. Program participation is on page 47 and is limited to 18 months. So, prisons with Sex Offender programs may be somewhere he is transferred to at a later date. MOO. Page 49 gives definition to and examples of “sex offender” and it’s use in calculating prison level. If I’ve read it correctly, unless this section is waived, Josh will be housed, at a minimum, in a low security prison. There is a chart on page 53. If I am reading it all correctly, my guess is Josh will serve time in a low or medium security prison. JMO. Please read it, I could have missed something! Note: I quit reading after page 53. I may go back later.
https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5100_008.pdf
Here is another site that lists the federal prisons that have sex offender rehabilitation programs.
BOP: Sex Offenders
MOO - I think Marianna in N Florida, Marion in S Illinois, and Seagoville (if low security is assigned) in Dallas are strong possibilities Josh’s attorneys may request. JMO/MOO. NOTE: these might only be available the last 18 months of his sentence. If so, I’m not sure where I think he will start.
ETA link describing the levels of security…
BOP: Federal Prisons
 
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This is a long read, but may offer insight on where Josh will be housed and why. Page 8 indicates the point system. Pages 8-22 is a good read. How points are calculated start on page 30. Program participation is on page 47 and is limited to 18 months. So, prisons with Sex Offender programs may be somewhere he is transferred to at a later date. MOO. Page 49 gives definition to and examples of “sex offender” and it’s use in calculating prison level. If I’ve read it correctly, unless this section is waived, Josh will be housed, at a minimum, in a low security prison. There is a chart on page 53. If I am reading it all correctly, my guess is Josh will serve time in a low or medium security prison. JMO. Please read it, I could have missed something! Note: I quit reading after page 53. I may go back later.
https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5100_008.pdf
Here is another site that lists the federal prisons that have sex offender rehabilitation programs.
BOP: Sex Offenders
MOO - I think Marianna in N Florida, Marion in S Illinois, and Seagoville (if low security is assigned) in Dallas are strong possibilities Josh’s attorneys may request. JMO/MOO. NOTE: these might only be available the last 18 months of his sentence. If so, I’m not sure where I think he will start.
ETA link describing the levels of security…
BOP: Federal Prisons

I'm thinking we're looking at the same document, but the one I have is arranged into chapters. How do we get to the page numbers that don't have a chapter # attached?
 
I have no clue. Maybe it’s different because I’m looking on my cell phone???
No worries.

The points chart is on Chapter 1, page 2
Josh's crime would be considered "high severity", per Appendix A page 2.

As I read it, per Chapter 4...
We get in points:
High severity =5
History of violence?
Age<34 = 4

I can't find anything that says length of sentence contributes to points.

Chapter 5 page 12 has the designations for security levels. My sense is Josh will end up in low security unless he gets a lotta years.
 
No worries.

The points chart is on Chapter 1, page 2
Josh's crime would be considered "high severity", per Appendix A page 2.

As I read it, per Chapter 4...
We get in points:
High severity =5
History of violence?
Age<34 = 4

I can't find anything that says length of sentence contributes to points.

Chapter 5 page 12 has the designations for security levels. My sense is Josh will end up in low security unless he gets a lotta years.

My calculations are very similar and I agree with you on more than likely in low security.
 
There are no federal prisons in Arkansas. The closest one to their location would be in Marion, IL
There is one is Forest City, Arkansas. Notable to my memory because that's where the Rapper TI was incarcerated for a time. Someone up thread said that Forest City doesn't house convicted sex offenders though.
 
ETA. Apparently SO are housed at specialities facilities. List in link...
BOP: Sex Offenders
The Bureau recognizes sex offenders as a vulnerable population within a prison setting. Institutional assignment, unit management, Psychology Treatment Programs, and re-entry planning promote the well-being of sex offenders while incarcerated and help both the offenders and society by reducing the likelihood of re-offence after release.

Residential Sex Offender Treatment Program
Residential treatment involves high intensity programming for a period of 12 to 18 months. The Bureau provides this program at USP Marion in Illinois and at FMC Devens in Massachusetts. Participants benefit from a therapeutic community on a residential housing unit where they work to reduce their risk of future offending. Offenders receive treatment five days per week. This treatment targets offenders with an elevated risk of reoffending.

https://prisonerresource.com/federal-bureau-prisons/arkansas/

It appears Forrest City has many levels and types of prison facilities.
 
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