Josh Duggar Charged With Receipt/Possession Child Sexual Abuse Material *Guilty* #4

[Springrain]

Your guess is correct, according to the Sun. As an aside, I recall Josh talking about his gay aunt, who he claimed was opposed to gay marriage - this would have been a statement made pre-2015. Quick Googling didn’t reveal any MSM sources for this so JMO.

The lesbian aunt isn't on Jim Bob's side. It is Michelle's sister Evelyn who Josh is referring to and claims is anti gay marriage.

'Anti-gay' reality star Michelle Duggar pictured with lesbian sister

What about the 2hrs? I guess I can understand LE making a courtesy call, perhaps expressing their condolences to a politician on the loss of his relatives. But 2hrs after the time of death? 8:26am on a Sunday?

Also yes, I'm not really sure about all that - I had just seen some folks online saying that it is not unheard of, but I can't really speak to that

 

[Ruminations]

It's definitely odd but it seems like it's not unheard of from what some people are saying online. Since Tommy was openly gay and had a husband, and nobody outside of the Duggar community knew he existed before today despite Jim Bob being a very public figure, I am making a guess (which could be wrong) that Tommy/his husband weren't exactly in close contact with Jim Bob. It is weird though. Jim Bob has an older sister, Deanna, I wonder if she got a LE visit as well or if Tommy's husband informed her.

It's kinda heartbreaking that pastor BS is officiating his funeral- because they're only kidding when they say "love the sinner," when it comes to alleged sins like sincere love/marriage.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

The lesbian aunt isn't on Jim Bob's side. It is Michelle's sister Evelyn who Josh is referring to and claims is anti gay marriage.

'Anti-gay' reality star Michelle Duggar pictured with lesbian sister


Also yes, I'm not really sure about all that - I had just seen some folks online saying that it is not unheard of, but I can't really speak to that

And I love/s how JB and kids talked about the gay (as if it were bad) in Meech's side of the family! Ignoring it in his own. Every time I learn something new about JB, and it's not about abuse or crime, it's another example of his being an AH.

MOO

 

[mickey2942]

‘Man Down!’: Surviving the Texas Heat in Prisons Without Air-Conditioning (Published 2023)

The record June heat has been particularly dangerous inside the state’s prisons, where indoor temperatures can top 110 degrees.

www.nytimes.com

I hope Josh enjoys his time in Texas.

 

[Springrain]

It's kinda heartbreaking that pastor BS is officiating his funeral- because they're only kidding when they say "love the sinner," when it comes to alleged sins like sincere love/marriage.

MOO

I didn't get into it on here, but I totally agree. The only way I think this would be OK is if Tommy knew Ben and liked him, and/or went to his church - but with their bigotry I really doubt that - if Tommy and his husband were churchgoers (which is very possible), I doubt they would go to his church for that reason and find a more progressive one instead.
It appears Tommy and his husband had been together for a long time, and they got legally married less than a week after gay marriage was made legal in Arkansas in 2015. So (and I could be wrong), I am making the assumption that Tommy's husband is close to Tommy's age, or at least on the older side, and may be too ill or otherwise unable to be able to handle all the arrangements himself (especially while grieving with the sudden loss of his longtime partner), leaving JB to handle it, which may be how Ben got into the role - all strictly MOO.

And I love/s how JB and kids talked about the gay (as if it were bad) in Meech's side of the family! Ignoring it in his own. Every time I learn something new about JB, and it's not about abuse or crime, it's another example of his being an AH.

MOO

Michelle is (IMO) definitely troubling enough, but I truly feel and have always felt that JB was far more troubling, and manipulative, and evil. JMO. She is (obviously) far from a perfect mother, but I think it says something that Jill and Jinger appear to basically be entirely cut off from JB, but both (more-so Jinger, who I have always felt was one of Michelle's favorites) maintain a relationship with Michelle. JMO.

 

[Teche]

It's kinda heartbreaking that pastor BS is officiating his funeral- because they're only kidding when they say "love the sinner," when it comes to alleged sins like sincere love/marriage.

MOO

Isn't Jim Bob’s son-in-law going to officiate the funeral? Is he a minister or pastor?

 

[jakat]

Isn't Jim Bob’s son-in-law going to officiate the funeral? Is he a minister or pastor?

Ben Seewald, Jessa Duggar's husband.

Jim Bob Duggar’s Uncle Tommy Lester Died 2 Hours Before Police Visited Family Compound

Jim Bob Duggar’s uncle, Tommy Lester, died just hours before police visited the Duggar family’s compound. Lester was 75 years old when he died on Sunday, June 25, at his residence, according to his obituary. The funeral is scheduled to take place on Thursday, June 29. “Tommy honorably served in...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Springrain]

Isn't Jim Bob’s son-in-law going to officiate the funeral? Is he a minister or pastor?

Yes, Ben Seewald is JB's son-in-law. He is a pastor.

 

[Shamrock1]

It’s exhausting to plan a funeral and deal with all the paperwork a death brings, and then you add grief. I assume Seewald is experienced with end-of-life matters via his profession and hope he made a kind offer to give the widower a bit of breathing room. I’ve been to funerals where the officiant’s own ambitions were on full display, and hope that won’t be the case here.

 

[Friday Fan]

‘Man Down!’: Surviving the Texas Heat in Prisons Without Air-Conditioning (Published 2023)

The record June heat has been particularly dangerous inside the state’s prisons, where indoor temperatures can top 110 degrees.

www.nytimes.com

I hope Josh enjoys his time in Texas.

He's in an air conditioned federal prison

 

[mickey2942]

He's in an air conditioned federal prison

Yes, I realized this after I posted it. Too bad.

 

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[JerseyGirl]

Appeals court upholds Josh Duggar's conviction for downloading child sex abuse images

 

[MsMarple]

Appeals Ed court upholds Josh Duggar's conviction for downloading child sex abuse images

Yes!!! What a knucklehead, Lol, from the link:

Duggar’s attorneys argued that statements he made to investigators during the search of the dealership should not have been allowed at trial since his attorney wasn’t present. Prosecutors said Duggar asked the agents, “‘What is this all about? Has somebody been downloading child *advertiser censored*?” and that he declined to say whether he had looked at such material online, comments that were later used as evidence in the trial.

 

[mickey2942]

Appeals court upholds Josh Duggar's conviction for downloading child sex abuse images

A federal appeals court has upheld Josh Duggar's conviction for downloading child sexual abuse images. The 8th U.S.

apnews.com

It is interesting, because I was surprised during the trial, that the defense seemed to be quite weak to me. Especially given the amazing "dream team". I sort of wonder, if given the sort of sick, twisted content Duggar was downloading, that maybe their defense wasn't exactly zealous.

And, I don't think that the appeals court really has much sympathy for a case like this.

 

[HarmonyE.]

He's in an air conditioned federal prison

Seagoville is a federal prison, but most living quarters are not air conditioned. Officials of the prison say some common areas/day rooms do have A/C but families of inmates have claimed it often doesn't work.

The weather remains brutally hot in the Dallas area.

Inadequate air conditioning at Terre Haute FCI in Indiana and FCI Seagoville in Texas | Louisville Streetz Newz magazine | NewsBreak Original

Prison is not a place where their should be comfort. A person that committed a crime must suffer with something he or she can neve get back. Time, that is what you serve, away from society. At FCI Seagoville, a low security prison. Federal inmates face deadly conditions due to lack of air...

original.newsbreak.com

 

[momsof3]

Appeals court upholds Josh Duggar's conviction for downloading child sex abuse images

A federal appeals court has upheld Josh Duggar's conviction for downloading child sexual abuse images. The 8th U.S.

apnews.com

It is interesting, because I was surprised during the trial, that the defense seemed to be quite weak to me. Especially given the amazing "dream team". I sort of wonder, if given the sort of sick, twisted content Duggar was downloading, that maybe their defense wasn't exactly zealous.

And, I don't think that the appeals court really has much sympathy for a case like this.

I'm an attorney and I thought his defense was weak too but more because the defense attorneys had nothing to work with. There was very solid circumstantial evidence and an excellent prosecution. There was digital evidence that JD was at the dealership at the time that the CSAM was downloaded and no else could have done it. Then add JD asking "Are you looking for CSAM?" I would bet 99/100 people would NOT ask that question. The one defense, that another employee did it, was excluded by the judge (rightfully I think) on the basis that the man had proof he wasn't in the state at the time of the download! Then JD's history with molesting his sisters/kids - those are not the type of witnesses the defense could attack without risking further alienating the jury. Plus, yeah, JD cuts a very unsympathetic figure.

ETA - sadly when there is a living victim as a witness, there is room to impeach them, but here, the evidence was digital. No "maybe you misunderstood or were mistaken" when it comes to digital, time-stamped evidence!

 

[mickey2942]

I'm an attorney and I thought his defense was weak too but more because the defense attorneys had nothing to work with. There was very solid circumstantial evidence and an excellent prosecution. There was digital evidence that JD was at the dealership at the time that the CSAM was downloaded and no else could have done it. Then add JD asking "Are you looking for CSAM?" I would bet 99/100 people would NOT ask that question. The one defense, that another employee did it, was excluded by the judge (rightfully I think) on the basis that the man had proof he wasn't in the state at the time of the download! Then JD's history with molesting his sisters/kids - those are not the type of witnesses the defense could attack without risking further alienating the jury. Plus, yeah, JD cuts a very unsympathetic figure.

ETA - sadly when there is a living victim as a witness, there is room to impeach them, but here, the evidence was digital. No "maybe you misunderstood or were mistaken" when it comes to digital, time-stamped evidence!

I was surprised that evidence of his molestation of his siblings was allowed, as he was a juvenile at the time of the act. Aren't prior bad acts excluded when the offender was a juvenile at the time of the offense? And in this case, it was never actually adjudicated. While it may have been tangentially related, I thought that it should have been excluded, and the testimony of the adult, excluded as well, as in her capacity, she was a religious leader. So, all testimony from JD excluded.

 

[Bounceycat]

While it may have been tangentially related, I thought that it should have been excluded, and the testimony of the adult, excluded as well, as in her capacity, she was a religious leader.

She was not. The the fundamentalist baptists beliefs they followed, in addition to IBLP principles they ascribed to, do NOT allow women to preach, pastor, offer religious advice or teachings.

 

[serifina]

Appeals court upholds Josh Duggar's conviction for downloading child sex abuse images

Yay!!!!