Jr's custody issue arising from Ron's arrest

[Trident]

I'm glad Crystal has her son and her new baby girl. My heart is breaking for her as she goes through this nightmare of probably having lost her first-born child to murder.

I believe IF Crystal was using drugs now, THAT would be all over the internet. I wish Crystal and her family healing and every good thing God has to offer.

 

[Trident]

As far as I'm concerned, JR is right where he belongs - with his MOTHER. I further believe if Haleigh had been with her MOTHER, she would not be considered a homocide victim right now.

My opinion only

 

[pufnstuf]

Crystal isn't in jail for felony drug dealing.
Crystal wasn't in custody of the children when Haleigh was murdered.
Crystal isn't stonewalling detectives on the circumstances surrounding Haleigh's murder.

Crystal isn't a perfect parent, but at least she's in a position where Jr. can be with one of his parents, since the other one seems to be mildewing in jail.

 

[Muffet]

I don't think anyone has ever claimed Crystal was or is a "perfect parent," so that's a straw man argument, IMO.

She's not perfect, but drawing a moral equivalence between her and Ron, or begrudging Crystal sympathy unless it's given in equal measure with what we give to Ron, or demanding that we criticize her in equal measure with our criticism of Ron (when the latter is based on a belief in culpability or involvement in the case) discounts the known facts of the case, their involvement, and their behavior since, IMO.

In other words, delving into Crystal's weaknesses at this point appears to be gratuitous, or possibly even spiteful. Delving into Ron's weaknesses is part of sleuthing the whodunnit or who'sresponsibleforit.

:twocents: JMO

 

[GhstTrkn]

Both were drug users. One was a drug DEALER, and that one wasn't Crystal.

It doesn't matter what "could have" happened. What did happen is that Haleigh was taken/murdered while left by Ron Cummings in the care of a child (in the eyes of the law) that Ron Cummings was having sex with.

Have never said that RC isn't responsible (indirectly) in the disappearance/death of his child but I have said that he wasn't directly involved....as a matter of fact I have said the same thing that you just said about him leaving the kids with MC. I realize he's a drug dealer/user and a liar...none of these things say that he doesn't love his children and none of these things say he is a murderer. It doesn't matter what he does...if he cries=he's faking, if he doesn't cry=he doesn't care. IF RC had ANYTHING to do with her disappearance/death other than his stupidity for leaving the kids with MC then he should get the needle...as well as anyone else involved. But until he is implicated by LE it's not fair to say what he is or is not thinking or feeling about his children. When/If LE implicates him with the credible evidence they need...i will gladly volunteer to put the needle in for them. and FYI if I had 2 choices on who I would want to take care of me...a drug user or a drug dealer....I would pick the dealer.

 

[GhstTrkn]

I don't think anyone has ever claimed Crystal was or is a "perfect parent," so that's a straw man argument, IMO.

She's not perfect, but drawing a moral equivalence between her and Ron, or begrudging Crystal sympathy unless it's given in equal measure with what we give to Ron, or demanding that we criticize her in equal measure with our criticism of Ron (when the latter is based on a belief in culpability or involvement in the case) discounts the known facts of the case, their involvement, and their behavior since, IMO.

In other words, delving into Crystal's weaknesses at this point appears to be gratuitous, or possibly even spiteful. Delving into Ron's weaknesses is part of sleuthing the whodunnit or who'sresponsibleforit.

:twocents: JMO

I did not say that she should not have sympathy...I have even said I feel sorry for her...AND I DO. BUT, until RC is implicated in the death of Haleigh I also feel sorry for him...she is his child too. YES, he made HORRIBLE HORRIBLE mistakes that ultimately led to his daughters death but so far he hasn't been implicated. How is saying that RC doesn't care about his children or that he is faking emotions if he cries for her sleuthing??? I would call that bashing or seeing only what you choose to see. And also saying that TN didn't care about Haleigh and is only covering for RC...NO ONE KNOWS THIS!!! Again, this is NOT sleuthing...it is bashing and only seeing what you choose to see.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Crystal isn't in jail for felony drug dealing.
Crystal wasn't in custody of the children when Haleigh was murdered.
Crystal isn't stonewalling detectives on the circumstances surrounding Haleigh's murder.

Crystal isn't a perfect parent, but at least she's in a position where Jr. can be with one of his parents, since the other one seems to be mildewing in jail.

Nor does she believe that she MAY be the parent of another child, but can't be bothered to take a DNA test to find out for sure..:furious:..sticking a fork in this carp..

 

[Muffet]

It isn't that he's criticized for "crying" and for "not crying." The problem was that his crying came off as fake, especially in the way he turned it off and on.

A mistake, as someone on TV said, is bringing orange juice when I asked for apple juice. Reducing Ron's behavior to "horrible mistakes" minimizes them.

Regarding:

FYI if I had 2 choices on who I would want to take care of me...a drug user or a drug dealer....I would pick the dealer

.. implying that you'd trust Ron more than Crystal. Ron did drugs as well as dealt them, though.

I have seen no one say TN or Ron did not love Haleigh, but have seen people say he put the well-being of his kids behind his desire for dangerous criminal activity and Misty. TN appears to put protecting Ron from criticism first, as well.

I think the critical element here is the level of culpability a parent is seen to own for the child's harm - the level of it determines how deserving they are of scrutiny.

Most of us - about 7 in 10 according to the poll - think Ron at least knew what happened to his daughter, yet has tried to cover it up. That belief doesn't come from just a random desire to bash the guy - the criticism of him comes as a result of belief in his guilt. (This doesn't rely on formal charges - see Casey Anthony.) Unless a person sees evidence of that sort of guilt in Crystal, it is hard to justify throwing darts at her.

 

[4Jacy]

Nor does she believe that she MAY be the parent of another child, but can't be bothered to take a DNA test to find out for sure..:furious:..sticking a fork in this carp..

I read on here that Ron showed up for the paternity test but Amber did not want him to take it. It was even suggested Amber might not know who the father is.

 

[grandmaj]

I have cleaned up this thread.

Do not attack the poster. Address the subject matter in your posts.

No more OT.

 

[pip]

I think Crystal has been immersed in the same dysfunctions as the rest of the players for quite some time. I am just hoping that all that has happened will cause her to wake up and change her life around. Hoping.

 

[nanny1]

Have never said that RC isn't responsible (indirectly) in the disappearance/death of his child but I have said that he wasn't directly involved....as a matter of fact I have said the same thing that you just said about him leaving the kids with MC. I realize he's a drug dealer/user and a liar...none of these things say that he doesn't love his children and none of these things say he is a murderer. It doesn't matter what he does...if he cries=he's faking, if he doesn't cry=he doesn't care. IF RC had ANYTHING to do with her disappearance/death other than his stupidity for leaving the kids with MC then he should get the needle...as well as anyone else involved. But until he is implicated by LE it's not fair to say what he is or is not thinking or feeling about his children. When/If LE implicates him with the credible evidence they need...i will gladly volunteer to put the needle in for them. and FYI if I had 2 choices on who I would want to take care of me...a drug user or a drug dealer....I would pick the dealer.

The last I heard he was a dealer and a user.

 

[Quiche]

It's impossible to pigeonhole a still growing child as a hopeless, hapless, drug using, child abandoning, yada yada yada... :snooty:

Everything that I've witnessed about CS illustrates a young woman who has passed through a difficult teen period (read the RC years) into a much more stable young adult whose focus is on raising her family. I applaud her growth in the right direction, and am in awe of the strength she's hewn from this horrendous situation. :twocents:

 

[Maryann123]

I would like to see drug testing done on all the Cummings. Since we know Junior wouldn't be going to stay with Ronald, (jail) it would either be his grandmother or great grandmother. Not that I believe a word out of Misty's mouth (failed LDT's) but she did say all the Cummings do drugs, every last one of them. So far, they are the only people she hasn't accused of harming Haleigh. I'm just saying, I hope they don't take Junior out of the pot and into the fire. I don't see where it would be a slam dunk case of the Cummings ending up with Junior even if CS were found to be using drugs. (I don't believe this to be the case) but why not place him with Crystal's mother. She owns her own home, and as far as I know, she is a productive member of society.

 

[pip]

I am suspicious of widespread epidemic here. Birds of a feather..are drawn together by commonalities. I just hope at least some of them have experienced this tragedy as a life changing event.