GUILTY KY - Ed Dansereau, 63, Pamela, 58, & Calvin Phillips, 53, murdered, Pembroke, 19 Nov 2015 *arrest*

[Spiritecho]

The dogtag chain-heat-string argument. The look on Martin's face - priceless!

He did say on the stand it was not his dog tag.

 

[ClemsonTiger97]

I thought non-DNA hair comparison analysis was so misleading that it was inadmissible.

I agree and the best that the State can do is say "it could be, he wasn't eliminated" regarding the guns, the shell casings, hair, etc...And she just falsely stated that Kit never said that the dog tag wasn't his, but I believe he did in fact say yesterday that they were not his. They sound more like a defense rather than a prosecution. Every piece of evidence has reasonable doubt written all over it. This prosecutor is really annoying me with all of her insinuations and raising her voice at the wrong times.

 

[Barlow]

DA’s talking so freaking much about Kit’s phone. Where is the data on Joan Harmon’s phone???? Why not exclude Joan through Joan’s phone? She knew what the defense is. Kit was on TV telling the world Joan did it. She isn’t there for those three victims. She is there to get a conviction because the truth is that if Kit is innocent, then there are 4 victims in this case: 3 victims of the murderer and 1 victim of the State of Kentucky.

I agree.
IF he’s truly innocent, I feel bad for him, especially after serving our country-which I’m thankful for no matter what.

I have no clue why they didn’t make it clear that Joan wasn’t involved or that she didn’t take any part of this horrible crime. I do think that says a lot, and that alone could even be seen as reasonable doubt when seen in its entirety.. I hope that makes sense?
This closing is making me sleepy and it’s such a pile of mash. So hard to follow.

Anyway, I’m on a different side in regards to his guilt, but completely respect everyone’s opinions on here.
I personally think Kit did commit these murders, but I don’t think the Commonwealth has (or can) prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. I think Kit is very clever, and knows it. I just don’t see how there’s enough evidence to convict him because he had planned this out, maybe even with help, IMO.

 

[armybandjag]

DA reminds me of the teacher played by actress Nancy Fish in Hiding Out with Jon Cryer. That was a good retort regarding the care package. Now I know why she didn’t object…….

 

[skyedaze]

k..I think he did it. Cal's face was beat up and he was dragged out to wherever. That's a man doing that and Kit is the only man with motive.
However....J and her son r pleading the 5th...why is that?
And why does J have Pam's phone?
To me he did it...but not sure there is no reasonable doubt. And I think that doubt is because of J and rambling prosecution oratory.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I know about as much today as I did on day one of the trial. I have no idea if he did it or not. I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Good luck to this jury.

 

[BUF]

I know about as much today as I did on day one of the trial. I have no idea if he did it or not. I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Good luck to this jury.

Exactly my sentiments.

I find CM and JH both sketchy. Horrible presentation of this case imo.

 

[skyedaze]

so Pam's friend who was on the phone with her...she went there with her daughter at 6 and then again at 7. Did she not call the police????She didn't go in the house but didn't call the police? Did I miss that?

 

[Niner]

Anyone have the Commonwealth lady's name? And has the jury started deliberations - that is what Julia is tweeting.
TIA!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

No matter how much I read of the thread I can't get a handle on this bizarre cast of characters.

 

[BUF]

Anyone have the Commonwealth lady's name? And has the jury started deliberations - that is what Julia is tweeting.
TIA!

Barbara Whaley. I think they were released to eat lunch first as it was late for them. Deliberations will probably start after they eat.

 

[BUF]

No matter how much I read of the thread I can't get a handle on this bizarre cast of characters.

Join the club!

 

[BUF]

so Pam's friend who was on the phone with her...she went there with her daughter at 6 and then again at 7. Did she not call the police????She didn't go in the house but didn't call the police? Did I miss that?

Correct, she didn’t call police iirc.

 

[Niner]

Barbara Whaley. I think they were released to eat lunch first as it was late for them. Deliberations will probably start after they eat.

Thanks for the name. and can you or someone post when they actually start deliberations. I like to keep the hours. TIA!

 

[skyedaze]

Correct, she didn’t call police iirc.

sorry but what a stupid friend. She is on the phone with another female who screams. Right there is a call back and if nothing, call police. Go over there and again no friend who just screamed..call police.
SMH

 

[Spiritecho]

No one heard 13? gunshots either. In the morning and in the late afternoon.

 

[Spiritecho]

Thanks for the name. and can you or someone post when they actually start deliberations. I like to keep the hours. TIA!

Courtv has the Jury Clock going at 49:34 atm

 

[Niner]

Courtv has the Jury Clock going at 49:34 atm

Is that how long they have been deliberating?? TIA!

If so - that means they started at about 1:30pm ET.

 

[armybandjag]

k..I think he did it. Cal's face was beat up and he was dragged out to wherever. That's a man doing that and Kit is the only man with motive.
However....J and her son r pleading the 5th...why is that?
And why does J have Pam's phone?
To me he did it...but not sure there is no reasonable doubt. And I think that doubt is because of J and rambling prosecution oratory.

I agree and the best that the State can do is say "it could be, he wasn't eliminated" regarding the guns, the shell casings, hair, etc...And she just falsely stated that Kit never said that the dog tag wasn't his, but I believe he did in fact say yesterday that they were not his. They sound more like a defense rather than a prosecution. Every piece of evidence has reasonable doubt written all over it. This prosecutor is really annoying me with all of her insinuations and raising her voice at the wrong times.

I think what he meant was that it was his, but not what he carried. He ruled them out as the ones he carried because (1) they did not have the rubber around them so they don’t clatter about inside your shirt; and (2) they were on a white string, not the beaded metal strand. Ed Griffiths indicated they were his, but Joan could have gotten them anywhere over the course of 30 years of dog tags…. in a storage box, for example….

But that white string/pilot/heat speculation was ridiculous.

 

[Spiritecho]

Is that how long they have been deliberating?? TIA!

If so - that means they started at about 1:30pm ET.

I'm assuming yes. It appears they started the clock when the Jurors got to the Jury room. I will further guess they chose to work and eat their lunch.