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Yes JBean I was about to post this observation myself but thankfully I thought it best to finish reading thru the thread...
Since the first video interview of Desiree[am not sure when her actual 1st was but the first one that comes to my mind is the national morning news media blitz that she and Kaine did on June 25th, she was wearing a lime green sweater]but from this 1st interview[that I recall] I noted that Desiree's facial expressions and demeanors were "noticable", atleast to me they were/are. She does infact continually turn the entire lower portion of her face, from
her nose down in a complete downward manner, turning her lips and mouth into a perfect "frown". This I have also noticed in every other video of her since..
She also does continually keep looking at Kaine throughout all videos, even when she is speaking sometimes she is still looking peripherally at him.
This too I have noted consistently.
Someone upthread[I believe it was "eyes"]that mentioned that it probably would make a difference and possibly would be best if she did NOT[For the most part]continue to always be video interviewed with Kaine. I too agree with this and tho I believe she is very much trying to put her feelings from the past about Kaine, to put them aside and for Kyrons sake keep the focus on him where it needs to be. However, our minds and bodies do not always agree and willingly participate with what we are logically and consciously choosing to do[i.e. put the hurt, anger , and any other negative feelings she may have for Kaine aside]
Thereby subconsciously thru ways such as the need to constantly somewhat "keep an eye on Kaine".Tho I feel she is not "consciously" choosing to do this...
On the other hand the "frown" that Desiree seems to make frequently when talking I believe this is just a mannerism of hers. Because when seeing her interviewed side by side with Tony the "eyes" and peripherally looking to the side are NOT there but the "frown" however is still a constant..
IMO this could possibly only be a mannerism that appears when talking of something sad, negative, hurtful, etc. But since we do not have any video of Desiree where she has NOT been sad, upset, angry, and hurt[by living this nightmare]we cannot know for sure. I believe its quite possible that when she is "upbeat", happy, and speaking of positive things that her facial mannerisms and demeanors could be quite different...
So with all of that said its IMO that her eye movements nor the other facial mannerisms discussed above are indicative to anything other than possible feelings that she has for Kaine and in no way do I think it is indicative of her belief or feelings about what she is discussing at the time the eye movements and facial mannerisms occur..
Thats MY opinion on that...
IMHO, Desiree believes Kyron's alive because Terri is involved. For some reason, she believes there was a motivation to abduct Kyron and keep him safe as opposed to killing him; however, if you believe Terri is involved, she's obviously no longer calling the shots, IMHO. If there was an accomplice who agreed to abduct Kyron and either keep him hidden for some inexplicable reason or hand him off to someone else, he's the one in charge now, or the third person removed is in charge.
The coverage of this case is far reaching. If someone has Kyron, they're probably watching the news, they're aware of the case, the search, the challenges of returning a verbal, reasoning child to an environment in which he could give an account of his abduction and of his abductors.
My point is that even if Terri is responsible, she's not calling the shots now, and even if Terri didn't intend for Kyron to come to harm, there's no way for her to know her accomplice hasn't harmed him, and there's no way for Desiree to know that, either. If Terri is involved, it doesn't matter her intent or lack of intent, what matters is the intent of the person or persons who have Kyron. And, really, unless Kyron is with members of a network involved in disappearing children from abusive environments (highly unlikely, IMHO), then Kyron is in an unbelievable amount of danger. Desperation and fear makes people do crazy things. With that in mind, even if Terri's accomplices didn't initially intend to harm Kyron, they may do so out of desperation and fear of being caught. Time is of the essence.
If Desiree and Kaine are convinced Terri had help, and IMHO they're convinced she had help because 1.) it's the only scenario in which Kyron can be alive, and 2.) something about Terri's alibi prevents her from being able to pull this off alone (e.g. timing, etc.), and if LE is looking for an accomplice, where is the composite sketch? If there are multiple witnesses who saw Kyron and are sure it's him and/or if there are credible witnesses, credible enough for LE to release a questionnaire, stating an adult was in/around the Horman truck that morning, then where is the composite sketch? If there's an accomplice, and even the slightest chance that Kyron is being held against his will somewhere, then who cares about the reason or Terri or trying to get her to talk; release the composite and find the man with whom she allegedly colluded, then deal with her and her accomplice after Kyron is brought home.
I absolutely, positively do not understand the reluctance or unwillingness of LE to release a composite of this person if there are multiple witnesses stating he/she was there that morning. LE has released images of Terri, Dede, and the truck. Why not mystery person? FWIW, I don't think mystery person is Dede, either. What's the freaking hold up?
White truck transciption
Kaine Horman & Desiree Young 8/27 pt.2
Video: http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horma...-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.html
-2:50
Chit chat from reporter in the beginning not included. Only what's needed from her for context.
Reporter: Potentially one person in the truck... three people... the white truck, Terri's truck... can you talk...
Desiree: (interrupts) Kaine's truck (laughs)
Reporter: a little bit about that...
Reporter: Kaine's truck. I'm sorry... What are your thoughts on that new information? Do you feel as though Dede was in that truck?
Desiree: (interrupts) It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her... that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her... which is what we suspected.
Reporter: So because... but do you believe that a man was spotted? I mean again, these are witness accounts, and I don't know how much information that you've been privy to about what the, what is the likeliest scenario?
Desiree: Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it?
You know. I mean it's significant in a huge way to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did? That contradicts that completely.
So I mean, other than that (shrugs), that's how significant it was to me.
Reporter: How authentic do you think that witness is? I mean how...
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side) Very authentic.
Reporter: So it's a credible...
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side and down) Yep.
Reporter: ...witness.
Reporter: And what exactly are they claiming that they saw?
Kaine: (audibly sighs/intakes breath, clears throat)
Kaine: Well I think, Sarah, I think to be more direct about it... I think that law enforcement needs to determine that still.
Desiree: Yeah, that part.
Kaine: We've been briefed on a lot of the information and the tips and the things that they're looking into, and that was part of that bucket of tips that they're...
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: ...that they're working their way through. Until they confirm and until they bring some of that information forward to the greater public, they're still looking into it, so I think us commenting on that is a little bit premature.
There's how we feel about it...
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: ...and then there are the facts. And the facts...
Reporter: (interrupts) How do you feel about it?
Kaine: How do I feel about it? I feel it's definitely significant. I don't know how credible the sources are. I'm hoping that they are because it helps us bring more of those pieces that we talked about before, the puzzle, in to paint the bigger picture, but until they're confirmed, I'm not going to maintain a sense of false hope that they're valid, until they're actually valid, until I see them and get from law enforcement that yep, this is verified, this is air tight, this is another piece that we found, and then I will believe it.
Desiree: Yeah.
I think she said it because she was irritated at the reporter who didn't know her facts and was ill prepared. She said it with sarcasm IMO.
Hi, Since the reporter said it was a man I think it might be what the case hinges on now. That's new. So my 'hunch' is it was either a male member of the family or the LS. IMO only I wonder if it is someone who met her at the school OR that she picked up on the way to the school ??? That has to be either, or the case, right?
See you tomoz. xox
So you're saying that Desiree has a "catty" side to her??
Well, bless her heart!! :dance:
I think it was DY taking a (well deserved, imo) jab at TH as to say "It's Kaine's truck. It's Kaine's house. It's Kaine's daughter. You, TH, have NOTHING!"
Kaine: ...and then there are the facts. And the facts...
Reporter: (interrupts) How do you feel about it?
Dang it, I wish the reporter hadn't interrupted him!!
Reporter: So because... but do you believe that a man was spotted?
Desiree: Well first of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with somebody else in it?
You know. I mean it's significant in a huge way to the case. If the timeline played out the way that it supposedly did? That contradicts that completely.
So I mean, other than that (shrugs), that's how significant it was to me.
Reporter: How authentic do you think that witness is? I mean how...
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side) Very authentic.
Reporter: So it's a credible...
Desiree: (interrupts, shifts eyes to side and down) Yep.
Reporter: ...witness.
Reporter: And what exactly are they claiming that they saw?
Kaine: (audibly sighs/intakes breath, clears throat)
Kaine: Well I think, Sarah, I think to be more direct about it... I think that law enforcement needs to determine that still.
Desiree: Yeah, that part.
Kaine: We've been briefed on a lot of the information and the tips and the things that they're looking into, and that was part of that bucket of tips that they're...
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: ...that they're working their way through. Until they confirm and until they bring some of that information forward to the greater public, they're still looking into it, so I think us commenting on that is a little bit premature.
There's how we feel about it...
Desiree: (interrupts) Yeah.
Kaine: ...and then there are the facts. And the facts...
Reporter: (interrupts) How do you feel about it?
Kaine: How do I feel about it? I feel it's definitely significant. I don't know how credible the sources are. I'm hoping that they are because it helps us bring more of those pieces that we talked about before, the puzzle, in to paint the bigger picture, but until they're confirmed, I'm not going to maintain a sense of false hope that they're valid, until they're actually valid, until I see them and get from law enforcement that yep, this is verified, this is air tight, this is another piece that we found, and then I will believe it.
Desiree: Yeah.
Did the LS or the GK ever meet Kyron or ever talk to him?Hi, Since the reporter said it was a man I think it might be what the case hinges on now. That's new. So my 'hunch' is it was either a male member of the family or the LS. IMO only I wonder if it is someone who met her at the school OR that she picked up on the way to the school ??? That has to be either, or the case, right?
See you tomoz. xox
There is no evidence we've been made aware of to indicate that Kyron was taken by a stranger. No sightings of such a person, no composite drawing, LE has not said anything about this. And Kyron's parents do not think it was a stranger abduction.
Sadly, I think these tips of random sightings will not lead to Kyron. I believe (and I believe this strongly) that Kyron is deceased and has been since 6/4. I don't want that to be true, but my 'gut' is telling me that's the outcome.
In her interview with KGW http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horma...-kyron-horman-missing-portland-101688128.html , Desree says ( at -1:54)
First of all, why would Kyron even be outside the school? Why would he even be near a truck with someone else in it?
Do you think this was a slip of the tongue and she was revealing information that has not been made public, or do you think this statement is not significant?