Kyron's General Discussion Thread for 2012-13

[Knox]

How anyone can look at the actions of Terri Hormon and Dede Spicer and doubt their involvement in Kyron's disappearance baffles me. There is no logical reason, IMO to plead the fifth if you are innocent. I hope one day the legal shenanigans cease, and the truth emerges.

In regards to abating the Civil Case. I read on a few websites this weekend, there is speculation that one of the reasons to abate involved the order to release medical records. Specifically, Desiree's. Curious what you all think. Is there something in her records which would be considered so detrimental to the civil filing, she would agree to drop it? I was under the impression the civil case abatement was solely because the MCSO & DA's office felt it could hurt their criminal investigation?

 

[ami]

How anyone can look at the actions of Terri Hormon and Dede Spicer and doubt their involvement in Kyron's disappearance baffles me. There is no logical reason, IMO to plead the fifth if you are innocent. I hope one day the legal shenanigans cease, and the truth emerges.

In regards to abating the Civil Case. I read on a few websites this weekend, there is speculation that one of the reasons to abate involved the order to release medical records. Specifically, Desiree's. Curious what you all think. Is there something in her records which would be considered so detrimental to the civil filing, she would agree to drop it? I was under the impression the civil case abatement was solely because the MCSO & DA's office felt it could hurt their criminal investigation?

I can't think of one thing - no matter how embarrassing or personal or serious - that they could find in Desiree's medical records that negate the request for information in the civil suit.

I mean Desiree isn't a suspect and she wasn't near the crime scene. Even if she'd been diagnosed with *choose your own serious emotional disorder* - the civil suit was requesting information that is roughly the same information the MCSO is looking at.

I can see how she'd be humiliated to have personal information released, and that she'd try very hard to keep her medical records private as any of us would, but put that embarrassment up against a law suit requesting info about her missing and possibly deceased child I imagine she would accept the humiliation in return for the possibility of answers.

 

[Tink56]

I went to the Oregon Live site and am perplexed why and how people have extrapolated that Terry's attorney's have requested Desiree's medical records. Is this in a copy of a filing that is available online, but not in the article.

Any help would be appreciated. TIA

I can't think of one thing - no matter how embarrassing or personal or serious - that they could find in Desiree's medical records that negate the request for information in the civil suit.

I mean Desiree isn't a suspect and she wasn't near the crime scene. Even if she'd been diagnosed with *choose your own serious emotional disorder* - the civil suit was requesting information that is roughly the same information the MCSO is looking at.

I can see how she'd be humiliated to have personal information released, and that she'd try very hard to keep her medical records private as any of us would, but put that embarrassment up against a law suit requesting info about her missing and possibly deceased child I imagine she would accept the humiliation in return for the possibility of answers.

 

[ahoyhoy]

How anyone can look at the actions of Terri Hormon and Dede Spicer and doubt their involvement in Kyron's disappearance baffles me. There is no logical reason, IMO to plead the fifth if you are innocent. I hope one day the legal shenanigans cease, and the truth emerges.

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IMO pleading the 5th just means you are DARING authorities to prove it. If they ever do prove it, DDS & TH are saved from perjury charges. Only. (Which COULD mean they hired out the job, whether it was a hand-off or a murder of little Kyron...Because who cares about a perjury charge if they're guilty of hands-on murder? Just speculating, sorry.)

I don't see how anyone can be on the fence. What innocent person would plead the 5th as to whether they know a child is ALIVE or NOT?!? An innocent person, and most guilty people would still answer it, even if they had to lie. All this unbending collusion makes me think they really get off on fooling everyone--the ultimate CSI-game. All this time just makes me think DDS & TH are sick. OR that DDS is some pathetic lonely FREAK with a crush on TH, which true to form, TH exploits to her ends. JMO.

I can't wait til they do prove it. Poor Kyron. Poor Desiree. Poor Kayne & Baby K.

 

[Knox]

Tink, this is what I read and based my above question on. I make no assertion as to the validity of this man's opinion. I'm squarely in Desiree's camp. Just curious where he got the idea about the medical records in the first place?
http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2013/01/kyron-horman-desiree-youngs-civil-suit.html

ETA-I found this article regarding the mental health records. I see now why/how the above blogger formed his opinion and wrote the post. He is incorrect IMO, and really has no basis with which to make the assertion.

The records, however, will not be made public.
http://www.kptv.com/story/20161872/mental-health-records-allowed-in-lawsuit-vs-terri-horman

Here is the actual motion. It does say the Judge talked to a witness ...
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kptv/KPTV/story_pdfs/motion to abate.pdf

 

[Tink56]

Tink, this is what I read and based my above question on. I make no assertion as to the validity of this man's opinion. I'm squarely in Desiree's camp. Just curious where he got the idea about the medical records in the first place?
http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2013/01/kyron-horman-desiree-youngs-civil-suit.html

ETA-I found this article regarding the mental health records. I see now why/how the above blogger formed his opinion and wrote the post. He is incorrect IMO, and really has no basis with which to make the assertion.



Here is the actual motion. It does say the Judge talked to a witness ...
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kptv/KPTV/story_pdfs/motion to abate.pdf

THANKS...Your response in not only thorough, IMO it's spot on. :gthanks:

:yourock:​

 

[Bluestars]

How anyone can look at the actions of Terri Hormon and Dede Spicer and doubt their involvement in Kyron's disappearance baffles me. There is no logical reason, IMO to plead the fifth if you are innocent. I hope one day the legal shenanigans cease, and the truth emerges.

In regards to abating the Civil Case. I read on a few websites this weekend, there is speculation that one of the reasons to abate involved the order to release medical records. Specifically, Desiree's. Curious what you all think. Is there something in her records which would be considered so detrimental to the civil filing, she would agree to drop it? I was under the impression the civil case abatement was solely because the MCSO & DA's office felt it could hurt their criminal investigation?

According to the Second Order Regarding Stay, the state of Oregon filed the motion to abate.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kptv/KPTV/story_pdfs/motion to abate.pdf



As to Desiree's medical records, I haven't seen anything that states her records were subpoenaed. However, I don't think it would be shocking if they were. The attorneys in the civil case are able to request more information than LE can obtain. They don't have to know the information is linked to a crime, they can think that it might be. I'm sure Terri's attorney is requesting everything he can get his hands on to twist things and deflect guilt from his client. It doesn't necessarily mean Desiree's records have anything to do with Kyron's disappearance or Terri's guilt or innocence.

From an article:
"Under the law of the United States, civil discovery is wide-ranging and can involve any material which is "reasonably calculated to lead to admissible evidence." This is a much broader standard than relevance, because it contemplates the exploration of evidence which might be relevant, rather than evidence which is truly relevant"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law)


Even though Terri's medical records are allowed, they are to remain private. I would assume the same would apply to Desiree's records if they were obtained for use in the civil case.


From an article:

"A protective order issued in the lawsuit filed by Kyron Horman's mother against Terri Horman said mental health records can be used in the case."
(snipped)
"The records, however, will not be made public."
(snipped)
"The protective order mandates any such records be sealed in an envelope at the conclusion of the litigation if they are retained in either attorney's files."

http://www.kptv.com/story/20161872/mental-health-records-allowed-in-lawsuit-against-terri-horman

 

[cluciano63]

(snipped)

IMO pleading the 5th just means you are DARING authorities to prove it. If they ever do prove it, DDS & TH are saved from perjury charges. Only. (Which COULD mean they hired out the job, whether it was a hand-off or a murder of little Kyron...Because who cares about a perjury charge if they're guilty of hands-on murder? Just speculating, sorry.)

I don't see how anyone can be on the fence. What innocent person would plead the 5th as to whether they know a child is ALIVE or NOT?!? An innocent person, and most guilty people would still answer it, even if they had to lie. All this unbending collusion makes me think they really get off on fooling everyone--the ultimate CSI-game. All this time just makes me think DDS & TH are sick. OR that DDS is some pathetic lonely FREAK with a crush on TH, which true to form, TH exploits to her ends. JMO.

I can't wait til they do prove it. Poor Kyron. Poor Desiree. Poor Kayne & Baby K.

I can't quite imagine what will change after more than 2.5 years that will enable LE to prove their case. There won't be a confession. Kyron may never be found. At best, a circumstantial case might eventually be brought, and even a guilty verdict rendered, but not sure if that will really be "proof", depending upon what LE has; clearly not enough, or we would not be looking at almost 3 years now.

I wonder if we will ever know what happened to Kyron.

 

[mmmagique]

Tink, this is what I read and based my above question on. I make no assertion as to the validity of this man's opinion. I'm squarely in Desiree's camp. Just curious where he got the idea about the medical records in the first place?
http://trueattrue.blogspot.com/2013/01/kyron-horman-desiree-youngs-civil-suit.html

ETA-I found this article regarding the mental health records. I see now why/how the above blogger formed his opinion and wrote the post. He is incorrect IMO, and really has no basis with which to make the assertion.



Here is the actual motion. It does say the Judge talked to a witness ...
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kptv/KPTV/story_pdfs/motion to abate.pdf

:what: This is all just rumour and speculation, imo.

 

[ahoyhoy]

I can't quite imagine what will change after more than 2.5 years that will enable LE to prove their case. There won't be a confession. Kyron may never be found. At best, a circumstantial case might eventually be brought, and even a guilty verdict rendered, but not sure if that will really be "proof", depending upon what LE has; clearly not enough, or we would not be looking at almost 3 years now.

I wonder if we will ever know what happened to Kyron.

My comment was a little harshly-worded, but I was reading the threads again and getting mad all over again.

It seems we may only know if Terri speaks---the fact that she has totally given up her baby and hasn't cracked,won't crack remembering Kyron--- it makes me sick.

Again, sorry if I was harsh.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://kxro.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/missing-child-gets-age-enhanced-missing-poster/

new age enhanced picture of Kyron

 

[AnonymousD]

The updated pic takes away Kyron's glasses.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Desiree's letter to Kyron: http://www.ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_vid_4946.shtml

Recent comment by Kaine:

For Kaine, the photo is hard to process. Not having had the chance to watch his son grow, it's painful for him to imagine the boy nearly three years older.

"I have lots of friends who have kids about his age, and (I've been) watching them grow through the years and just trying to imagine what he's (Kyron is) like now," he said.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Just thinking of you today little guy. I am praying you are safe and sound somewhere just waiting for some one to come find you. Praying you have peace and love around you.

Hugs little one.

 

[mikkismom]

Father of missing Oregon boy wants divorce delayed

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/feb/04/father-of-missing-oregon-boy-wants-divorce-delayed/

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I just can not imagine what it's like to be married to someone you think could have hurt your son. Torture

 

[angelmom]

Father of missing Oregon boy wants divorce delayed

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/feb/04/father-of-missing-oregon-boy-wants-divorce-delayed/

Isn't this a complete 180 from their original positions? :waitasec:

Attorneys for the father of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman have asked a judge to delay his divorce from the child’s stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman.

<snip>

Terri Horman’s divorce attorney, Peter Bunch, argued against any postponement. He suggested the divorce proceedings go forward, with limitations placed on what questions can be asked of his client.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Father of missing Oregon boy wants divorce delayed

http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/feb/04/father-of-missing-oregon-boy-wants-divorce-delayed/

It disturbs me that the headline calls Kyron "missing Oregon Boy" since it's a newspaper for a county that borders Multnomah County. I hope that's just a bad judgement, and that people who live less 2 hrs and closer from where Kyron went missing (and live in the Portland media area) still recognize his name.

 

[matou]

I got two alerts this morning. The first said that Kaine wanted to move ahead with the divorce proceedings and the second said that Kaine wanted the divorce proceedings delayed. ????

 

[scandi]

I had dinner tonight with my DIL and the convo turned to Kyron. She said something to me that has me still shaking physically, wondering if this could be true and if we have discussed it here?

I didn't hear this as a fact. My DIL has never posted on a Kyron Horman forum, but she said she remembers hearing this after he disappeared.

She said the talk was someone saw a boat take off from Sauvie Island the day Kyron disappeared and she said it was the time of day when it would have been unusual for a boat to leave - they usually go out in the morning hours. Then she heard people speculating that TH had someone put him on this boat and he was taken out of the area. My DIL feels strongly he was not killed but is alive somewhere since his body has not been found in all this time.


I didn't know where to post this but am curious to know if anyone remembers anything about this. She also said LE did allot of searching on SI and as I remember that is true.