LA - ***ARREST*** Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette 19 May 2012 - #33

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I have to make a comment on BSL's mom's post yesterday and I have to say that it takes a lot of guts to post what she did, especially so soon after her son had been arrested. BSL has only himself to blame and sometimes parent's cannot control what their child does.

She definitely was not denying her son was involved or defending his actions. I think she is hurting in a large way too.

If he is responsible for burning down two childhood homes it had to take a lot of forgiveness to not turn that child away. I think that she didn't want to give him up as his birth mom did.

I do, however, hope that she had tried getting him in for counselling somewhere down the line but if someone is a psychopath, I don't think any amount of counselling would have worked.

I feel so badly for what his family is going through and I cannot imagine what Mickey's family is going through. Such a tragic case!
 
The general range of sociopathic persons in society is somewhere between 3% and 5% according to about a dozen articles that I just quickly reviewed in a Google search. I'm not up to date on this thread, so am not sure how this applies to this case, I was just personally curious at the extreme rates being quoted.

jmo

it was a correction. someone misquoted and said 1 out of 4 which someone said would make 96-99% of the US sociopaths. someone corrected this and said no, this would make 25% of the world sociopaths. this is where the percentages are coming from. but the actual correct stats are 1 out of 25 which is the correct percentages you are giving
 
She might have been injured from the hit and more willing to accept a ride from him with promises of going to the ER.

Very possible. The new hospital, University Medical Center, is at West Congress and Bertrand. He could have taken Coliseum Road northbound to Souvenir Gate under the pretense of getting her to Emergency asap and then continued past the hospital north on Bertrand to the I-10.

I do however think that if Mickey was bruised from a bump by BSL's truck she would have called BW or her home to tell them that there was a fender-bender and that she was being driven to Emerg. I don't think BSL gave her the opportunity to make that call...
 
I want to say one last thing before I start wrapping up my discussions in this forum. A very close family member of mine was a serial killer. I have very rarely discussed it with anyone in my personal life and never in public. Even my closest friends have no idea. It is what led me to an interest in helping to 'investigate' abduction/murder cases and to seek closure for the families. And what has led me into my career which is within the Federal side of law enforcement...primarily the protection of high level celebrities but other things also.

I, more than just about anyone, know how a predator thinks. I was lucky enough to be that one person they had to tell, to hear the 'confessions', details, the pretty stuff because I was a child and thought not to tell. And I didn't, still haven't, probably never will. I was never abused or threatened. It was a different kind of life but not necessarily a bad one.

I have spent a lot of sleepless nights going through the details in my head and thinking about the victims and their families and if they ever had closure.

I remember how detailed it would be, where the weapon was buried, where the body was placed, why it was their fault this happened to them. All matter of factly. Then there were the police investigations and the searches. The neighborhood gossip.

And family members. It ripped their hearts out that someone they brought into is world could be capable of such horrible things. There were days of denial, days of crying and days of praying. I don't think you stop loving the person but you can hate the things they did more.

Unless you have been in the mind of a predator, you can guess and speculate all you want but you will never know why they do the things they do. And trust me, the truth IS actually stranger than fiction. Nothing is impossible. Nothing.

It's the hunt, the thrill of the chase, the impulse that cannot be controlled, the high of the moment. During this time anything is possible. Thinking isn't clear or logical. It all happens very quickly. Then it's like letting the air out of the balloon. Then it is backtracking and trying to peice together what just happened and did you make any mistakes. Then it's covering your tracks, being invisible. This is the phase when they can live in the moment a little, maybe fantasize about it. There is not regret or remorse. But maybe a little excitement again and they just have to tell someone. This is not my opinion, it is fact.
What an incredible, harrowing recount. And thank you for sharing it here. I'm sure it's presented some challenges at times (or at least I would think it would...I know it would, for me) with nightmares, etc. But kudos for using those experiences as motivation for career pursuits. Have you ever considered writing a book? Even a loose fiction recounting of it all?

You cannot close your mind to something because it doesn't make sense to you. Much of reality does not make sense.

And you can't turn the 'maybe's, 'what ifs', 'we think's, into a fact. A fact is a clear cut statement determined by the process of evaluation, direct testimony or observation, in which there is no question into it's validity. It is not open to interpretation.

Case closed? I don't think so.

I used "case closed" earlier to address the recurring notion that there was an incident, critical to this case, captured in the two stills of the LCG/Circle K scene which was released by LE.

I think we have to close the case on this notion that the stills which we were presented by LE depict MS being involved in a truck-bike (non-)accident in front of the Circle K. Don't you?
 
There are states with lower murder rates per capita — Maine, NH, VT, ND, Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming — mostly in the northern climes. I’ve always wondered if it has to do with the weather. "Man, I’d really like to off that pesky neighbour tonight — nah it’s too cold out and besides there’s a snow storm moving in, I’d better wait until spring.” :wolf:

Oooo. I know the answer. There are more rapes in hotter weather. Why? Because people are out, more readily available, and typically wearing less clothing. It's less complicated than tearing off a parka.

Also, aren't those states less densely populated?
 
Very possible. The new hospital, University Medical Center, is at West Congress and Bertrand. He could have taken Coliseum Road northbound to Souvenir Gate under the pretense of getting her to Emergency asap and then continued past the hospital north on Bertrand to the I-10.

I do however think that if Mickey was bruised from a bump by BSL's truck she would have called BW or her home to tell them that there was a fender-bender and that she was being driven to Emerg. I don't think BSL gave her the opportunity to make that call...

I would think that immediately after being struck from behind and knocked off of a bike, one might not be able to get to and use phone right away. Could have fractured upper extremities, collar bone, who knows what else!
 
Very possible. The new hospital, University Medical Center, is at West Congress and Bertrand. He could have taken Coliseum Road northbound to Souvenir Gate under the pretense of getting her to Emergency asap and then continued past the hospital north on Bertrand to the I-10.

I do however think that if Mickey was bruised from a bump by BSL's truck she would have called BW or her home to tell them that there was a fender-bender and that she was being driven to Emerg. I don't think BSL gave her the opportunity to make that call...

University Medical (UMC) is by no means a "new hospital." You are thinking of Our Lady of Lourdes (OLOL), which once was on St. Landry, and now is on Ambassador Caffery, opposite corner of Lafayette. Lafayette General would be the ER of choice if a trip was promised.
 
I know I read on one of the links posted here that BSL did not graduate from Church point high where he had attended for three years. From some of the research I have done, I learned from someone who knew him during his teen years that he in fact spent some time in a mental institution in Pineville, and earned his GED after that. So it is evident that his family was aware as a teen, BEFORE he committed the oral sexual battery, that he did have some mental issues.
 
I know I read on one of the links posted here that BSL did not graduate from Church point high where he had attended for three years. From some of the research I have done, I learned from someone who knew him during his teen years that he in fact spent some time in a mental institution in Pineville, and earned his GED after that. So it is evident that his family was aware as a teen, BEFORE he committed the oral sexual battery, that he did have some mental issues.
Can you link that information please? thanks.
 
University Medical (UMC) is by no means a "new hospital." You are thinking of Our Lady of Lourdes (OLOL), which once was on St. Landry, and now is on Ambassador Caffery, opposite corner of Lafayette. Lafayette General would be the ER of choice if a trip was promised.

Either one. UMC would have been about as close as Lafayette General. It would have put him closer to Bertrand, though.
 
is there a link for the twitter comments?
i wish there was a websleuth app.
 
His name is misspelled and it is probably intentional imo

I fully understand why someone would intentionally misspell his/her name in such a case. I'm just flabbergasted that someone would, under prohibitive restriction of law, do so, and then link himself to friends and family for all the world to see.

Granted, the guy doesn't exactly have a look that screams "Rhodes scholar" or anything, but one would think he'd be a little more careful than that, given his record and his RSO status, and given the amount of thought he's given to covering his tracks in this particular case.... ETA ...and also in his 1999 case.
 
I thank God that although BSL and I may have some of the same ingredients in our past, our paths were not the same. I pray for BSL and his family, as well as the Shunicks, and mourn that - if BSL is indeed the perp - his life never led him to a moment of empathy.... that he was never able to sort out whatever bad feelings he has... which has led to this awful moment in the lives of both families.

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A very good read. Thanks for sharing your life experiences.

I too pray for all the people involved in this horrid incident. Someone said yesterday that THERE ARE NO WINNERS in this and it's so true.
 
Can you link that information please? thanks.

I wish I could. My sister in law went to school with him in Church Point, she told me about the Pineville, info, she is positive it was before he went to jail
 
I feel compelled to share some private stuff here that maybe can shed a small amount of light on BSL's mindset. It's some thinking I've been doing about psychopaths/sociopaths.

One train of thought here really shook me and made me do some deep thinking.

I have seen several times people talking about the marks of a sociopath:

1. Late bedwetting
2. Being bullied in school/being a misfit.
3. Pyromania
4. Cruelty to animals

This really shook me because all of this describes me when I was young, and it got me thinking about how I was feeling and whether it was in me to do something so terrible to another person. Let me describe the various components as they applied to me and what my mental/emotional reactions were. Maybe this can help a little bit. I am being vulnerable to share this so please be kind.

1. Late bedwetting: I had this problem until I was probably about 8. My parents tried everything - even fake sugar-pill medicine. I had a few accidents at school, too - usually after running around at recess... I think until 2nd grade. I didn't know why it happened - it's like I just didn't have the physical signal to go until it was too late. It made it so I couldn't spend the night at friends' houses, and I had to have a change of clothing at the school office. It was humiliating. I would have to hide in the bushes until after recess and make my way to the school nurse. Made me feel so ashamed and other kids teased me. It went away on its own probably about 3rd grade, and was such a relief. It made me feel like an outcast.

2. Being bullied in school: I was picked on incessantly in school. I was small, considered "too smart" by my classmates (had the second-highest IQ, etc. testing in the school), and kids would pick on me - boys and girls. I got in a lot of fights due to this, and sometimes I'd have 25 kids chasing me all over the school as a gang. School officials were helpless to stop it, and sometimes my recesses would end with me 10 feet up in a tree and a mob of kids throwing things at me or being up on a chain-link fence with kids pulling at my ankle. Ever since then when people ganged up me I would get very defensive and angry and that makes the people pick on me more. (Has actually happened in a couple adult situations on blogs, believe it or not - but not in real life anymore.) Even in middle school, some bully would incite others to gang up on me. One time in 7th-grade band the school bully got a gang of kids and about 10 of them grabbed me off my chair in the middle of a song and while the teacher was watching carried me struggling out of the band room to the lunch quad and shoved me head-first into a trash can and rolled me down a long ramp - rotten food flying all around me, as the gang stood there and cheered. The last time I was bullied was as a sophomore in high school. A bully stood up and announced to everyone sitting around that he was going to pour his chocolate milk on me, so they should watch. This gang had already been following me from class to class - kicking my book bag - stealing my books and throwing them on the roof, etc. I told him quietly not to do that. He laughed. I told him quietly again not to do that. He laughed - then began pouring the milk on me. He was 6 feet tall and I was 5' 4" and small. I stood up and hit him in his solar plexus as hard as I could - and my arms were strong. He collapsed.... then got up coughing and picked me up, threw me against the lockers, then picked me up and started stuffing me into a trash can. A group of senior cheerleaders ran over and stopped the fight. I was the basketball-team ball boy and they knew me and surrounded him and demanded he leave me alone. This was the last time I was bullied. No one ever picked on me again after they saw me fight back. Chris and I became friends after that. He confided to me that he had been seeing a psychologist for his issues, and apologized for bullying me. This experience growing up made me feel alienated from other people - yet when the cheerleaders stopped the fight and others started respecting me, something healed in me there. But I went on to have few friends.... like BSL.... for a long time, until I moved away from that area and had a fresh start. Once the chain of alienation was broken, it was like I got a fresh start and never again did I truly feel like an outcast. But the scars remain - the feelings in me that groups of humans can band together and become a very ugly force. I trust individual humans, but I do not, and never will, trust groups of humans. Groups of human can band together for evil and target individuals to satisfy a group urge to hurt others, and I have never forgotten this. Slightly related - I had skipped a grade due to my "smarts." This put me back socially because other kids in my new grade liked girls earlier than I did - and I was already young for my grade - and so I fell far behind in learning to interact with women romantically - then was teased due to my late non-interest in them. So my relationships with women came much later than many of my classmates, and through life I am still a bit behind in how to relate to women, due to lack of participating in a lot of teen dating, etc. I still have trouble with understanding what makes women tick, and how to get along with them romantically, due to the late start I got in my teens.

3. Pyromania: I loved starting fires and playing with matches. I almost burned my grandfather's shed down as a kid, burning newspapers for fun. When I was older, I would build plastic models of ships and planes and burn them and then save the half-burned models because it was cool how they would melt. Fire has a hypnotic quality for man - anyone standing around a campfire can attest to this strange power. Maybe it's something about having the control to be able to unleash such a powerful force of nature with a book of matches - I don't know. But I can't remember any string of pyromania incidents I did.... other than the above. Some here may remember that I had a big fire at my place last fall, and my shed and garage burned down. That was truly an accident. My landlord has me burn piles of branches now and again, and finally one of the fires sent a popping ember into some pine needles 30 feet away and it started an unstoppable blaze. But I will say that I enjoyed making these fires big because they looked cool. Had the fire not been so big, the ember likely wouldn't have done what it did. On the other hand, I also like big branch fires because you can get the burning done quicker and throw green branches on and still have them burn. So... the pyromania thing for me....not so much - put it this way - I never started a malicious fire....

4. Cruelty to animals: This is where I'm going with all the preceding personal revelation..... the fact that I seem to have all the components to have become someone like BSL has shaken me into this introspection. I wanted to paint a picture for y'all before adding this last part.

When I was young a friend showed me how to use a magnifying glass to torture ants and snails. He and I would sit in his backyard and burn them. What a powerful feeling. Then I would get a can of Raid and hunt down every last survivor until the can went empty. My poor old cat..... I would do crazy things like put him in the bathtub in a big wooden box just to hear him yowl. One time I took a paper bag, filled it with dry beans, tied it to his tail, and laughed as he ran all over the neighborhood trying to get away from the noise.... up on roofs. jumping from tree to tree..... another time I put him in our old station wagon (he hated cars) and got in and started the car, to watch him freak out. This one backfired, as scared cats seek the highest ground, and he ended up atop my head with all his claws dug in.

Neighborhood boys started torturing lizards - sticking firecrackers in their mouths and lighhting them.... At my grandpa's one summer when I was about 10, I spent a day chasing dragonflies around and swatting every one I could find.... then started using a pellet gun to shoot lizards.

All of this sounds like a recipe for a sociopath. And I was a kid who found a dead baby bird once and built a little box for him and took him and buried him and said a prayer for him and my parents still remember that. Was I going to be OK or not? Remember I was about 11. My brain was still developing. My psychological cement was still wet. I had not become the adult I was going to be.

Then something happened I'll never forget. The bully up the block - who I think had been the one teaching my friends to torture lizards, caught a stray cat. I came upon what happened soon after - did not witness it - but my friends did. This is going to really upset animal lovers, so be ready.
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The bully put a bottle rocket in the cat's rear end and lit it. The cat died. My friends were all laughing about it. I didn't laugh. I thought of that cat... and how I had a cat.... and how though I pestered him... I loved him. I thought of the pain the stray cat had gone through. Something in me changed right there. It really bothered me what the bully had done. I started thinking about the things I had done. I thought of the dead dragonflies and lizards. I thought of those ants and snails, and how they were going about their business and how a white light came down from their sky and fried them and tortured them for no reason other that a cruel god - (me and my friend) had decided to end their lives for no reason other than to exert power over them. I felt so small and mean and ashamed - and thought about - what if some capricious god had decided to to the same thing to me... would that have been fair or right? No. It wouldn't have been. Not at all.

From that day on I never intentionally hurt or killed an animal again that I wasn't going to eat. I don't kill spiders - I take them outside. I only kill ants that are biting me. Even if ants get in my house because I didn't take my trash out soon enough, I don't kill them - I take out the trash and wait for them to go away. Once in awhile when I visit my grandpa's old house - he has passed on and we rent it out - I still can see the dragonflies and lizards I killed. When my old cat died – he lived 18 full years – I was full grown. I cried – my dad cried – I built a little box and put in some cat food and things he liked and buried him in a beautiful spot.

What changed in me? What may be the difference between me and BSL? I think I know the answer:

EMPATHY.

My growing brain realized that it’s very unkind to hurt others . I was able to put myself in the position of the creatures I tortured and realize what a terrible thing it is to abuse other creatures just for the fun of it. I try to put myself - knowing myself - in the position of someone like BSL - and ask whether I could do something like that. I immediately think of the suffering family - the pain such an act would cause - the pain of the community - the act of snuffing out a life that had built for 21 years - parents nurturing a new baby - watching it grow.... the days to day growth and joys and tears of another human being like Mickey.... and realize what a breathtaking, horrible act it is to play God over another like that... and how I could never do something to create such pain because of.... EMPATHY.

My brain learned empathy for others. The bully taught me that lesson with the poor stray cat. Empathy is what controls our ability to hurt others. The lack of empathy unlocks the hidden pain we all have in one degree or another - and lets us unleash it upon others. A person without EMPATHY could do something like kidnap or kill someone, without being himself tortured by the crime he has committed against life.

I think BSL never had a stray-cat moment. His brain never developed the connection to the sanctity of life, and God's mandate that we do unto others as we would have done to ourselves.

I thank God that although BSL and I may have some of the same ingredients in our past, our paths were not the same. I pray for BSL and his family, as well as the Shunicks, and mourn that - if BSL is indeed the perp - his life never led him to a moment of empathy.... that he was never able to sort out whatever bad feelings he has... which has led to this awful moment in the lives of both families.

I know that was long, but I felt I had to type that out.... to share how those "red flags" of a sociopath don't always lead to it... but how it takes a personal realization to kick in, before the mind's wet cement has hardened.

It's like BSL just never saw the light.

Thank you for sharing such a personal story. It must have been very hard for you. <<<<hugs>>>>
 
I'm really surprised that no reporter asked about the Advertiser video that was recently handed over to LE at the press conference! I really want to know what that video showed!!! I hope we will find out one day
 
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