GUILTY LA - David, 56, & Nicholas Pence, 25, murdered in their Metairie home, 22 April 2015

[Tawny]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around hearing shotgun blasts and not freaking the heck out. Have you ever heard one at close proximity in a closed space? It's LOUD. It would sound like a bomb went off, it wouldn't "sound like gunshots". Gunshots and shotgun blasts are extremely different sounds.

JMO though. Still waiting to see how this plays out.

 

[katydid23]

So it doesn't say what time They left. For all we know it could have be an hour. What he said was he didn't see anything amiss in the 8 minute window of time. they could have already been shot long before that. That would mean the mother is lying.

But wouldn't the EMT have noticed if they had been dead for a long time?

 

[al66pine]

Meyer the Hatter is at 120 St. Charles Ave (? south-ish edge of French Quarter? not sure).
Store Hours: 10am - 5:45 pm Monday through Saturday.

25 y/o victim Nick, a store employee, presumably would not have routinely worked late hours or early a.m. hours.
Shooting was just before midnight. Does not seem late for what I azz-ume would be his hours at store.

"The only foot traffic in and out of the house, she said, would have been Nick Pence's "grammar and high-school friends hanging out.
But it's not like there were parties. That was never the case." bbm
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/metairie_double_homicide_neigh.html April 23

'Foot traffic' suggests visitors living close by, consistent w being school friends. Does not seem ominous in & of itself..

JM2cts.

 

[Tillicum]

I've noticed in many articles that LE focused on trash cans thinking the gun could be there. Sounds like someone on foot? Wouldn't someone in a vehicle get out of the neighborhood and toss it rather than stop at a trashcan, get out and stash the gun, then get back in the car and drive away? :thinking:

 

[al66pine]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around hearing shotgun blasts and not freaking the heck out. Have you ever heard one at close proximity in a closed space? It's LOUD. It would sound like a bomb went off, it wouldn't "sound like gunshots". Gunshots and shotgun blasts are extremely different sounds. ...

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Wonder if Mrs P was in shower or watching TV in bedroom, maybe w earphones on. Listening to music w earbuds. IDK.
Even so, seems like she could have heard, esp in a house that size.
JM2cts.

 

[Tillicum]

So if this isn't a random psycho case, what possible motives could there be?

 

[mysteriew]

Meyer the Hatter is at 120 St. Charles Ave (? south-ish edge of French Quarter? not sure).
Store Hours: 10am - 5:45 pm Monday through Saturday.

25 y/o victim Nick, a store employee, presumably would not have routinely worked late hours or early a.m. hours.
Shooting was just before midnight. Does not seem late for what I azz-ume would be his hours at store.

"The only foot traffic in and out of the house, she said, would have been Nick Pence's "grammar and high-school friends hanging out.
But it's not like there were parties. That was never the case." bbm
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/04/metairie_double_homicide_neigh.html April 23

'Foot traffic' suggests visitors living close by, consistent w being school friends. Does not seem ominous in & of itself..

JM2cts.

No offense intended because this is probably just me. But......

It keeps sticking in my mind that Nicholas was 25. He lived at home, worked in Dad's store and they hung out together too. A lot. His friends appear to have been friends from grammer and high school. Much like you would hope for in a 16 yo's life. But he was 25.

Secondly one long time friend he worked with, and they hung out together too. That much togetherness can put stress on a marriage. What would it do to a friendship?

How about employees or former employees? If Dad and son worked together and so did longtime friend, anyone else who worked with them could have felt excluded or even resentful.

 

[noZme]

David was an IT guy at Baker Hughes. Son, Nicholas worked at Meyer The Hatter in the Quarter.

 

[Dushi]

Well, its all weird to me
I am going to assume that if both men were in the livingroom, lights or at least a TV would be on so it would be apparent someone was home.
So I don't see this as an attempted robbery.
It does not feel random
Nobody searched the house for the wife. Just shot both men

 

[katydid23]

I've noticed in many articles that LE focused on trash cans thinking the gun could be there. Sounds like someone on foot? Wouldn't someone in a vehicle get out of the neighborhood and toss it rather than stop at a trashcan, get out and stash the gun, then get back in the car and drive away? :thinking:

I think the cops thought he might have been on foot--given the kids bike found moved, and the purse stolen from a car up the street.

 

[katydid23]

Well, its all weird to me
I am going to assume that if both men were in the livingroom, lights or at least a TV would be on so it would be apparent someone was home.
So I don't see this as an attempted robbery.
It does not feel random
Nobody searched the house for the wife. Just shot both men

Sometimes crazy psychopaths with rifles just feel the need to kill someone, imo.

 

[Tawny]

Crazy psychopaths that randomly kill are extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely rare though. Extremely rare. And generally, they go on suicidal rampages. I can't think of very many super random murders with no motive and no sign of struggle, nothing taken, someone left alive...

It's all too strange. Something is super wrong with this whole scenario. The neighbors can't even all agree as to what kind of people the family was. One says strangers come and go, another says they're a quiet family...

 

[katydid23]

Random killings are rare, but not non-existant.

 

[katydid23]

Crazy psychopaths that randomly kill are extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely rare though. Extremely rare. And generally, they go on suicidal rampages. I can't think of very many super random murders with no motive and no sign of struggle, nothing taken, someone left alive...

It's all too strange. Something is super wrong with this whole scenario. The neighbors can't even all agree as to what kind of people the family was. One says strangers come and go, another says they're a quiet family...

I don't think random murders are that rare--I think SOLVING random murders is rare. Very hard to connect the killer to the crime in randoms. I bet there are some unsolved mysteries that include random killers.

Here is one case that took 6 yrs to solve:

A 24-year-old man obsessed with 'killing people at random' will spend the rest of his life in jail over the abduction and execution-style murder of a teenage couple in an abandoned Army bunker six years ago.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-abandoned-military-dugout.html#ixzz3YLy4549w

 

[carbuff]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around hearing shotgun blasts and not freaking the heck out. Have you ever heard one at close proximity in a closed space? It's LOUD. It would sound like a bomb went off, it wouldn't "sound like gunshots". Gunshots and shotgun blasts are extremely different sounds.

JMO though. Still waiting to see how this plays out.

That's why I was wondering about a "varmint" shotgun around the house. People around here have them, and we hear them often enough that my first thought is not, "Somebody's getting murdered!" It's, "The fisher cat must be in the neighbor's garbage again."

If they had something like that, I can see the wife's reaction being, "What the hell are you shooting at?" rather than thinking something's wrong.

 

[Wagara]

Very strange.

 

[Dushi]

I don't feel Mom is involved either.
But I do think it is someone that they know, not random

I am often wrong

 

[carbuff]

We've had a number of violent home-invasion type murders in the New England area over the last few years. Most of them have turned out to be drug- or gang-related, but I can recall at least one that was just a psychopath. A teenager who wanted to know what it was like to murder somebody.

I don't really get the psycho vibe from this crime, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn somebody involved has or had a secret life the others didn't suspect. And no, I don't mean anybody in particular.

 

[mysteriew]

Well, its all weird to me
I am going to assume that if both men were in the livingroom, lights or at least a TV would be on so it would be apparent someone was home.
So I don't see this as an attempted robbery.
It does not feel random
Nobody searched the house for the wife. Just shot both men

I was under the impression they were in the mancave which is separate from the house

 

[mysteriew]

This appears to be a very tight group. I keep thinking that it will be someone who felt excluded from the group, or who felt mocked within the group. To me the fact that it happened in the mancave is telling.