Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.21.17 - Day 19

[XFP]

But why would he get a tattoo of someone he does not seem to care one iota about? Didn't even have a convo with his best buddy when she went missing.
IMO the tattoo is not Laura and has zero to do with her.

I think the experience affected him more than he wrote in texts. Perhaps he didn't care about LB, but I would argue that the reality of what was going on around him - and in which he was complicit - woke him up. That tattoo will keep him awake to that reality. And, honestly, who else is it? It's practically the same shirt she has on in the photo, long hair, smile, wings. It isn't a photo of her face - so the tattoo guy took artistic license, can't be anyone else.

ETA: It's not in evidence anyway so it's rather irrelevant.

 

[Tdot]

But why would he get a tattoo of someone he does not seem to care one iota about? Didn't even have a convo with his best buddy when she went missing.
IMO the tattoo is not Laura and has zero to do with her.

Might be more to do with the impact the whole situation had on HIM, rather than about her personally.

I see the day, and not too far in the distant future that collection and recording of information by LE will be the key to resolving cases, and identifying links. While most LE have Databases, the future is AI technology like IBM's WATSON, which is a Question and Answer machine. It would free up more time for collection, and provide leads to those that are following up on WATSON's answers. But like all AI technology, garbage in = garbage out. MOO

PS. It would also provide analysis of witnesses testimonies for both the crown and the defense.

Agreed we will see the tech used very soon. Currently working with a local company who have created AI software that can detect fraud in real time monitoring phone calls in certain environments. The same software can also be used by call centers to enable product/services up-selling and many more scenarios

In the same vein but with a different approach there is also

http://murderdata.org

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/the-serial-killer-detector

 

[mimimic]

I'm guessing that the crown has learned from the TB trial not to try and drag too much detail out of this cast of characters. As soon as you broach any subject that may implicate a witness, they develop amnesia, which doesn't look good to the jury. The tactic here seems to be to get the one or two pieces of information that you need and call it a day.

One comment on the "cast of them" that stands out to me is they all start to show the type of people that they all are. If the jury feels one will lie and cover up stuff - they ALL would likely be the same type of people.

 

[andreww]

Looking through the timeline again, this time I noticed a previous instance of DM using the 'd syntax.
May 2:24pm DM to AM: If you could keep me updated on where Laura goes out to, that’d be of use to me.” There isn’t any question “that’d” means “that would.”
Then July 17 2:23pm DM to AM: “what you’d do?!” I would argue the same syntax applies, making the meaning “what would you do?!”
The rest of the July 17 text exchange could be interpreted as you suggest - that AM just blasted off a flippant reply.

I really wish the Crown has asked about this text exchange - I see someone mentioned this was likely because in interviews AM likely blew it off and his response wouldn't (would not) add much to the proceeds. I'm sure that is why. Still...as a juror I'd like to know more from AM. Appears they are joking about LB asking to be hurt during sex. Oh well, probably won't matter much since DM is going down for M1 with no further debate.

I take the text to mean "What did you do?". Millard trying to be funny, suggesting that AM had gotten rid of her. AM counters by referencing some conversation that they'd obviously had about LB's sex habits. Millard says that was the last he heard of her.

We have seen the judge exclude conversation relating to Laura's sex life, when Millard questioned SL about virginity, and the lack of sexually related questions pertaining to LBs escort clients. I think the judge has decided that any info of a sexual nature is not pertinent to the charges at hand, and out of respect to LBs parents, its best left unheard.

 

[andreww]

One comment on the "cast of them" that stands out to me is they all start to show the type of people that they all are. If the jury feels one will lie and cover up stuff - they ALL would likely be the same type of people.

Yes and no. I think like many here, people realize that the witnesses are bending the truth, lying to protect themselves. However, I think that the essence of what they say is the truth. Is MM or AM telling us everything? No. Are they lying about what they are telling us? Probably not. Did MM hide ammunition for Millard while crossing the border? Probably, but it has no real bearing on this case.

 

[Coldpizza]

Good morning. Today's trial thread is open for posting.

Please keeps posts limited to today's testimony.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?357083-Laura-Babcock-Murder-Trial-11-22-17-Day-20

This thread will close once the proceedings begin.

 

[Coldpizza]

Does anyone have a working Live Blog link for today? I believe I'm on yesterday's link right now - is it the same one?

Here you go Velma

CBC Live Blog

Live Blog Mobile

 

[FastLikeLight]

From yesterday:

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
18h18 hours ago
Jury is back for #LauraBabcock murder trial. Crown has a couple more questions.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
18h18 hours ago

Crown just asked about the text conversations Michalski had with #LauraBabcock leading up to her disappearance. He is done for the day. #Millard will cross tomorrow.

What were questions and answers?

 

[XFP]

I take the text to mean "What did you do?". Millard trying to be funny, suggesting that AM had gotten rid of her. AM counters by referencing some conversation that they'd obviously had about LB's sex habits. Millard says that was the last he heard of her.

We have seen the judge exclude conversation relating to Laura's sex life, when Millard questioned SL about virginity, and the lack of sexually related questions pertaining to LBs escort clients. I think the judge has decided that any info of a sexual nature is not pertinent to the charges at hand, and out of respect to LBs parents, its best left unheard.

Agreed on the sexual content.
Back to syntax: On Nov 30th, DM uses 'd again: DM to CN: "Thought you'd be uncomfortable me seeing her, so I thought to tell you before rather than after." Here "you'd" is read as "you would"

ETA: We all use I'd to mean I would.

 

[gremlingrrl]

MM also said she was at the Canada Day party. and used the Ipad lots. I would bet my last dollar CN knew where the Ipad came from as well.

LB and DM did not connect until after the Canada Day party, so the iPad would not have been in their possession yet.

 

[mimimic]

agree. I just picked your quote to touch on the subject that people seem to mention if witness seems to lie they are unreliable. Therefore doesn't help the crown. I am saying that it does help because it makes the whole lot of them seem like the types to be involved in more than they let on. DM and MS included.

Yes and no. I think like many here, people realize that the witnesses are bending the truth, lying to protect themselves. However, I think that the essence of what they say is the truth. Is MM or AM telling us everything? No. Are they lying about what they are telling us? Probably not. Did MM hide ammunition for Millard while crossing the border? Probably, but it has no real bearing on this case.

 

[dar107]

LB and DM did not connect until after the Canada Day party, so the iPad would not have been in their possession yet.

Yes i know this, that was 2 separate statements but I see how they look jumbled together haha, was not saying she was using it at the party

 

[Coldpizza]

Good morning. Today's trial thread is open for posting.

Please keeps posts limited to today's testimony.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?357083-Laura-Babcock-Murder-Trial-11-22-17-Day-20

This thread will close once the proceedings begin.

Shannon Martin‏
@ShannonMartinTV
1m1 minute ago

Justice Michael Code is here, we're just standing by for the jury at the #LauraBabcock murder trial.

The jury has arrived, and so has witness Andrew Michalski.

Closing up now