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Mr Hornsby,
If you follow this thread: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92280"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92280[/ame] we are discussing the photos that the FBI were talking about to George.
Question:
If there are pornographic photos of Casey, is there restrictions through the courts to with hold these photos?
I was wondering if they do exist, is it a situation where the state nor the defense can say anything about them because of the nature of the photos?

And hoping if they do exist, that they will be brought into trial by the FBI?
 
Mr Hornsby,
If you follow this thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92280 we are discussing the photos that the FBI were talking about to George.
Question:
If there are pornographic photos of Casey, is there restrictions through the courts to with hold these photos?
I was wondering if they do exist, is it a situation where the state nor the defense can say anything about them because of the nature of the photos?

And hoping if they do exist, that they will be brought into trial by the FBI?

Without seeing the pictures, I don't know how Mr. Hornsby could validly assess whether their probative value would likely outweigh their prejudicial effect.


(Me too. Don't forget me. ... smile)
 
I'm reposting here to see if you have any thoughts.

DC seems to be trying to once again avoid or delay his deposition. Previously there has been some confusion as for whom he may have been an agent; he cited he had - it sounded like simultaneous - contracts with KC, JB and also GA and CA. I remember JB freaking about work product and master interrogators or something equally Inquisition-sounding when the story broke about the video Hoover took of them searching on Suburban.

My question is:
If indeed he supposedly was an agent, but was never paid his fee, does that nullify any contract he would have had with work privilege/through JB? I remember JH saying DC told him he was owed $90K and I don't think he meant all of that was to be paid by the Anthonys, IIRC.

If he signed on directly as an agent for KC because JB did not have the money to pay him through his firm, would anything he did for KC have any kind of privilege? Also, those simultaneous contracts he kept mentioning; no one has yet to review them, have they? (I wonder if they magically appeared post-dated and after the fact as the contracts JB had with the Padillas allegedly did).
 
I'm reposting here to see if you have any thoughts.

DC seems to be trying to once again avoid or delay his deposition. Previously there has been some confusion as for whom he may have been an agent; he cited he had - it sounded like simultaneous - contracts with KC, JB and also GA and CA. I remember JB freaking about work product and master interrogators or something equally Inquisition-sounding when the story broke about the video Hoover took of them searching on Suburban.

My question is:
If indeed he supposedly was an agent, but was never paid his fee, does that nullify any contract he would have had with work privilege/through JB? I remember JH saying DC told him he was owed $90K and I don't think he meant all of that was to be paid by the Anthonys, IIRC.


If he signed on directly as an agent for KC because JB did not have the money to pay him through his firm, would anything he did for KC have any kind of privilege? Also, those simultaneous contracts he kept mentioning; no one has yet to review them, have they? (I wonder if they magically appeared post-dated and after the fact as the contracts JB had with the Padillas allegedly did).

What DC is trying to do is assert that attorney-client privilege applies because he is/was a "member" of the defense team.

The general requirements for a valid assertion of attorney-client privilege in many jurisdictions in the United States are:

1. The asserted holder of the privilege is (or sought to become) a client; and
2. The person to whom the communication was made:
1. is a member of the bar of a court, or his subordinate (agent), and
2. in connection with this communication, is acting as an attorney; and
3. The communication relates to a fact of which the attorney was informed:
1. by his client,
2. without the presence of strangers,
3. for the purpose of securing primarily either:
1. an opinion on law, or
2. legal services, or
3. assistance in some legal proceeding,
4. and not for the purpose of committing a crime or tort; and
4. The privilege has been claimed, and
5. The privilege has not been waived.[1]

The rules have nothing to do we payment.

"The professional relationship for purposes of the privilege hinges upon the
belief that one is consulting a lawyer and his intention to seek legal
advice. Wylie v. Marley Co., 891 F.2d 1463, 1471 (10th Cir. 1989).
Accordingly, the privilege applies to confidential communications
between an individual and a person he reasonably believes to be his
attorney, even if the attorney ultimately elects not to represent the
client, and even if the attorney is not a member of the bar. See U.S.There
v. Mullen, 776 F.Supp. 620, 621 (D. Mass. 1991)

But, Other limits to the privilege may apply depending on the situation being adjudicated; for instance, the crime-fraud exception can render the privilege moot when communications between an attorney and client are themselves used to further a crime or fraud. Clark v. United States

Therefore, if Casey was explaining were the body was to DC so that he could remove the evidence Privilege would not apply to that series of communications.
t
 
What DC is trying to do is assert that attorney-client privilege applies because he is/was a "member" of the defense team.
The general requirements for a valid assertion of attorney-client privilege in many jurisdictions in the United States are:

1. The asserted holder of the privilege is (or sought to become) a client; and
2. The person to whom the communication was made:
1. is a member of the bar of a court, or his subordinate (agent), and
2. in connection with this communication, is acting as an attorney; and
3. The communication relates to a fact of which the attorney was informed:
1. by his client,
2. without the presence of strangers,
3. for the purpose of securing primarily either:
1. an opinion on law, or
2. legal services, or
3. assistance in some legal proceeding,
4. and not for the purpose of committing a crime or tort; and
4. The privilege has been claimed, and
5. The privilege has not been waived.....[1]
t


Thanks for your post. So, if DC wanted to assert some sort of privilege between he and KC, he would need to change his motion, correct?

DC stated to LE that he terminated his agreement with JB on 10/01/2008.
This recording begins at the part in the interview where they go through this with DC:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVRtpZCYzs&feature=related[/ame]

Carrying this over to DC is scared thread, too.
 
Thanks for your post. So, if DC wanted to assert some sort of privilege between he and KC, he would need to change his motion, correct?

DC stated to LE that he terminated his agreement with JB on 10/01/2008.
This recording begins at the part in the interview where they go through this with DC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVRtpZCYzs&feature=related

Carrying this over to DC is scared thread, too.

What information that he has that is privileged and what information is not will be the hard questions. DC can not waive privileged, only CA can waive privilege.

Is it fruit of the poisonous tree. Let me use an analogy.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence gathered with the aid of information obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source of the evidence (the "tree") is tainted, then anything gained from it (the "fruit") is as well.

While the information was not obtained illegally, if the source of the information was obtained in a privileged communication, does the other information also fall into the privileged realm. Since CA would not expected this information to be used against her, and she can not control how other people use this information, it may be privileged (this is what Judges are for).

The Judge may need to make a "In camera" of the questions and answers. This allows the judge the opportunity to review the document in private before determining its admissibility in open court.
 
What information that he has that is privileged and what information is not will be the hard questions. Is it fruit of the poisonous tree. Let me use an analogy.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence gathered with the aid of information obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source of the evidence (the "tree") is tainted, then anything gained from it (the "fruit") is as well.

While the information was not obtained illegally, if the source of the information was obtained in a privileged communication, does the other information also fall into the privileged realm. Since CA would not expected this information to be used against her, and she can not control how other people use this information, it may be privileged (this is what Judges are for).

DC can not waive privileged, only CA can waive privilege
Ok...are you referring to Casey? What if it wasn't Casey who revealed the information...what if it was, hypothetically, Cindy? It seems during his questioning by Morgan he stated at one time or another he was employed by all of them. He appears to want blanket privilege.
 
In your opinion, will any of the motions filed by the defense team in last couple of weeks be successful?
 
Ok...are you referring to Casey? What if it wasn't Casey who revealed the information...what if it was, hypothetically, Cindy? It seems during his questioning by Morgan he stated at one time or another he was employed by all of them. He appears to want blanket privilege.

You may want to sell your house for $200,000 but you list it for $250,000. His attorney is starting with the best deal he can get... all information is privileged. As stated before, what information is or is not privileged will be up to the Judge.
 
In your opinion, will any of the motions filed by the defense team in last couple of weeks be successful?

There are so many motions.

In general if both sides are unhappy the Judge did a good job of compromise. Ms. Lyons is not a BAD attorney. She may get some modification of the instructions to the jury. Most most likely an additional sentence or paragraph that explains one of the principles in a slightly different manner.
 
Mr. Hornsby, let's assume for just a moment that KC is convicted of something, anything and is given Life, or even given a number of years WITH the possibility of parole. Would she be put into general population? She wouldn't receive any special protection, would she?

If this question has already been asked, I apologize, but there are way too many to go back through each of them....

Thanks in advance!

It is my understanding she would be housed in general population at a maximum security prison - but remember, female prisons are not known for being as violent as men's.
 
What information that he has that is privileged and what information is not will be the hard questions. DC can not waive privileged, only CA can waive privilege.

Is it fruit of the poisonous tree. Let me use an analogy.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence gathered with the aid of information obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source of the evidence (the "tree") is tainted, then anything gained from it (the "fruit") is as well.

While the information was not obtained illegally, if the source of the information was obtained in a privileged communication, does the other information also fall into the privileged realm. Since CA would not expected this information to be used against her, and she can not control how other people use this information, it may be privileged (this is what Judges are for).

The Judge may need to make a "In camera" of the questions and answers. This allows the judge the opportunity to review the document in private before determining its admissibility in open court.

Thx-I think we speculated, much earlier this year, that one of the asides that JudgeS had with the attorneys may have been in regards to reviewing some of these things pertaining to DC in-camera. But of course, we were never enlightened as to what the subject of that meeting was, so it was just guesses-Discussion on that no doubt is here in the original DC thread.
 
I have a few questions regarding Casey's incarceration that I hope someone can/will be able to answer.

1. her incomingmail - I understand that all her mail is opened and read by jail personnel understandably so. And I would think anything like a threat etc., would not be forwarded to her by jail personnel. My question is, if her mail is also read and perhaps censored by a member of the defense team and could they not allow her to read some mail?
2. her outgoing mail - is this also read by jail personnel? And would her defense team know who she is corresponding with?
3. - visits - is Casey or the defense team in charge of who would be allowed to visit her? If she said I want to see my brother could the defense team stop the visitation?
4. - Since the defense is allowed to take a computer into the jail now, what is she allowed to see or do on the computer? Is there wireless available for the defense team to hook up with?
5. - How much TV is Casey allowed to watch daily and is what she watched censored?

TIA Riley
  1. Casey Anthony reads any mail sent to her without it first going through her attorney.
  2. No, she could send to whomever without attorney knowledge.
  3. Casey Anthony is.
  4. No wireless allowed.
  5. That is basically all they do - it is local network stations.
 
ok, can someone point me to a crime that does not involve dishonesty?

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2009/12/02/casey-anthony-insufficient-funds/

"Florida looks at the seriousness of the crime to determine whether it is worthy of attacking a person’s credibility and they only ask four questions about the crime:

Was the crime punishable by death?
Was the crime punishable by more than 1 year imprisonment?
Was the crime one that involved dishonesty?
Was the crime one that involved a false statement?
"

Aren't all crimes/criminals by default dishonest?

I learned a few things from that blog, most esp. the reason for the term convicted felon but this crime vs. dishonesty thing has me scratching my head.

p.s. [the above italicized info was snipped from the above link & bbm]
 
What information that he has that is privileged and what information is not will be the hard questions. DC can not waive privileged, only CA can waive privilege.

Is it fruit of the poisonous tree. Let me use an analogy.

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal metaphor in the United States used to describe evidence gathered with the aid of information obtained illegally. The logic of the terminology is that if the source of the evidence (the "tree") is tainted, then anything gained from it (the "fruit") is as well.

While the information was not obtained illegally, if the source of the information was obtained in a privileged communication, does the other information also fall into the privileged realm. Since CA would not expected this information to be used against her, and she can not control how other people use this information, it may be privileged (this is what Judges are for).

The Judge may need to make a "In camera" of the questions and answers. This allows the judge the opportunity to review the document in private before determining its admissibility in open court.

Did DC's conversation with Sgt. Allen, Eric Edwards and Brad Conway violate his contractual privilege with CA?
Also, I have to wonder why the detectives were hesitant to talk to DC if he affirmed he was still contracted with KC (Eric Edwards indicates he is asking DC about their contract because "KC is a charged individual," seems like he wants to watch where he treads), but the detectives are not concerned about violating a contract with the A's? Did they just not have an understanding of what you wrote above?
 
It is my understanding she would be housed in general population at a maximum security prison - but remember, female prisons are not known for being as violent as men's.

and, psychopaths do quite well in prison because they are chamealeons who can easily adjust to their surroundings and fool people

[lookit karla homolka]

IMO KC will not only survive but thrive in gen.pop. - not so sure she'd be ok in p.c.

anyway, back on topic ...
 
RH: reading more from your blog:

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/category/casey-anthony/

"Motion for a Protective Order Directing Jail to Destroy Videos of Family Visits"

I understand that your belief is that the motion will be denied. I think most would agree. Wondering if you would speculate as to the reason(s)JB would even file the motion to begin with. He's working on behalf of KC right, so why would she request they be destroyed?

Further, why would JB even waste the court's time, unless he's thinking he might end up with a landmark decision that changes the law?

Finally, is there any way we will see a judge get fed up & direct him to stop filing frivolous motions? In your opinion, does this not fall under the frivilous motion category?
 
RH: reading more from your blog:

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/category/casey-anthony/

"Motion for a Protective Order Directing Jail to Destroy Videos of Family Visits"

I understand that your belief is that the motion will be denied. I think most would agree. Wondering if you would speculate as to the reason(s)JB would even file the motion to begin with. He's working on behalf of KC right, so why would she request they be destroyed?

Further, why would JB even waste the court's time, unless he's thinking he might end up with a landmark decision that changes the law?

Finally, is there any way we will see a judge get fed up & direct him to stop filing frivolous motions? In your opinion, does this not fall under the frivilous motion category?

Please review http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2009/11/30/the-clueless-wonder-strikes-again/ for all of your answers.
 
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