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Again, I'm guessing she'll only do time on the neglect part. Do I wish it was so? NO

She has what, 9 counts? Time will be served on something other than murder 1. Does that make me do a happy dance? Far from it.

I understand where you are coming from.
In my mind, I have to continue to tell myself that she will be convicted on the murder charge, or go insane. It has been a long year, very emotional at times..
This is the first case I have followed in years and years, and I have to keep my faith that this jury will come through for Caylee.
 
No. But with that said, I have drank way to much grey goose as I watch the most boring Steelers Ravens game in all history. So I am going to sleep. Toodles :angel:

Straight up or on the rocks?? I do straight up, wanted to watch the bears but I had neighbors on the horse, so I missed the game. Plus I got this darn bengal rescue cat..
 
No. But with that said, I have drank way to much grey goose as I watch the most boring Steelers Ravens game in all history. So I am going to sleep. Toodles :angel:
Thank you for a straight forward answer. :)
 
After reading here all week, I am scared to the depths of my soul that KC will walk and Caylee will never have justice, maybe it dosen't matter to Caylee anymore as she is in the comfort of Gods hands now. I just don't know, maybe justice is for those of us who are left behind to mourn a precious little toddler that we didn't even know and love more then her own family appears to have loved her. If this monster does walk I will forever lose faith in our justice system. I will always believe that KC did murder Caylee even though I have no proof.
Sorry I have gone over board here but I am truely scared.
Mr. Hornsby,

Are wonder's concerns a possibility? Could Ms. Lyons and her students pull off the same kind of miracle for KC that Dershowitz and his group of Harvard Law School students did for Von Bulow? Let me rephrase...in your opinion, will they?

Von Bulow had already been convicted and he wasn't young, pretty or as vulnerable looking as KC. Plus KC's the "mom". Nobody is surprised when an oily looking husband, in the thralls of an torrid affair, does his *wealthy* wife in. But, even my own sensible brother, thinks it had to be an accident because a "mom" couldn't kill her baby.
 
After reading here all week, I am scared to the depths of my soul that KC will walk and Caylee will never have justice, maybe it dosen't matter to Caylee anymore as she is in the comfort of Gods hands now. I just don't know, maybe justice is for those of us who are left behind to mourn a precious little toddler that we didn't even know and love more then her own family appears to have loved her. If this monster does walk I will forever lose faith in our justice system. I will always believe that KC did murder Caylee even though I have no proof.
Sorry I have gone over board here but I am truely scared.

An ounce of hope for you, and the wish that you not loose faith right now, Caylee needs us to believe that justice will come to her.
BeanE has the most perfect signature line of all time..
"Nnnnno. Actually my position is not to protect the family. It's to protect the child, who is deceased."
Linda Drane Burdick for the State of FL, in reference to child Caylee Marie Anthony, Motion Hearing, Oct 16, 2009

Other than those of us, in the thousands here and all around this world who want justice for Caylee so terribly bad, these right now are the ones who want it worse. This statement alone tells me that they are there for her, regardless of who is in attendance!
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After reading here all week, I am scared to the depths of my soul that KC will walk and Caylee will never have justice, maybe it dosen't matter to Caylee anymore as she is in the comfort of Gods hands now. I just don't know, maybe justice is for those of us who are left behind to mourn a precious little toddler that we didn't even know and love more then her own family appears to have loved her. If this monster does walk I will forever lose faith in our justice system. I will always believe that KC did murder Caylee even though I have no proof.
Sorry I have gone over board here but I am truly scared.
Hi wonders :)
"IF SHE WALKS" by KC :) Directed By: C&GA
They wont let it look like she just walked they will drag the case out to linger a long time,
and call it time served (to make us think the law works- if the law worked then
G&A would not be going on a cruise... if you know what I mean) :( I still hope we will see KC serve some time.
Caylee deserve justice.:angel: I THINK WE NEED A BLOGG FOR CAYLEE TO PUT THE ATTENTION IN THE RIGHT PLACE - "JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE" she seems to be forgotten in this circus. I hope the defense has a very strong opening about Caylee.
 
Um, I posted a response to a listserve that we were both members of - but if that qualifies as "talking" to the defense, well then, I am a big fat liar and will stand* in the corner for 15 minutes.
With all due respect....your response to Horace F. (that attempts to categorize your reply to JB as "just a listserve response") is* IMO short of accurate.* Your exchange with JB* does not quite fully support an "advice only" reply to the defense team.* When your reply (conveniently posted below for your convenience) is reviewed....it appears as much more than just a friendly "defense to defense" bit of forum advice.* It is very succinct, breaks out individual issues by NAME, and offers suggestions for how to handle FUTURE conflicts.* I think this response goes beyond friendly suggestions (that were solicited) and is really more of an outline for "strategy". A casual response would not have offered answers* beyond requested info.* You took your casual legal advice to another level when you anticipated future issues and offered opinion on those "hypotheticals".* You are more than entitled to offer your advice when solicited (I do not begrudge nor do I judge based on those facts), BUT Mr. Hornsby, let's not try to pass off your forum exchange as casual anonymous conversation.* Most of us here are rather bright and can see right past the rhetoric. I enjoy your POV.* But I also value transparency and continuity.
 

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Hi wonders :)
"IF SHE WALKS" by KC :) Directed By: C&GA
They wont let it look like she just walked they will drag the case out to linger a long time,
and call it time served (to make us think the law works- if the law worked G&A would not be going on a cruise if you know what I mean) :( I still hope we will see KC serve some time.
Caylee deserve justice.:angel:

There just seems to be too many laws that may allow her to walk. And then we have Bafoon Baez that may cause an appeal on his own. Aaaaa. I'm hoping I am just tired and will have renewed faith tomorrow.
 
With all due respect....your response to Horace F. that categorizes your reply to JB as "just a listserve response" is* IMO short of accurate.* Your exchange with JB* does not quite fully demonstrate an "advice only" reply to the defense team.* When your reply (conveniently posted below) is reviewed....it appears as much more than a friendly defense to defense bit of advice.* It is very succinct, breaks out individual issues by NAME, and offers suggestions for how to handle FUTURE conflicts.* I think this response goes beyond friendly suggestions and really appears to be more of an outline for "strategy".* You are more than entitled to offer your advice when solicited, but Mr. Hornsby, let's not try to pass it off as casual anonymous conversation.* Most of us here are rather bright and can see right past the rhetoric.

Thank you. Yes that was what I thought as well. It was disingenuous for RH act as if it was just a brief inconsequential encounter, as he goes into detail with the advice, strategy and was very specific. I think JB followed it as well regarding the 'no more jail visits' policy that seems to be in place. I found that response to be misleading if not dishonest.

Sorry folks I'm just not startstruck like many of my fellow posters here appear to be, who seem to go out of their way to complement and massage egos. We're not getting anything unique from RH imo as he isn't even involved with the case, except for advising Baez and attacking BS.
 
Initially no, but if they got down to a core group of potential jurors, I could see individual voir dire being appropriate.

IMHO I disagree. I think Judge Strickland may grant this one.

It may be a small win for Baez.

But I think he may get it.
 
Please don't get me started on appellate issues!!!!

Unless this case results in a plea (which would require a waiver of appellate claims), I would bet my last dollar that an appellate court would reverse this case - if not on direct appeal, on collateral appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel (Google Rule 3.850 Motion).

Appellate issues


Clearly no one knows how the Black Robes will rule, but mearly being an average attorney is not enough.

394 So.2d 997 (1981) Thomas KNIGHT, Petitioner, v. STATE of Florida, Respondent.

We adopt the following four principles as a standard to determine whether an attorney has provided reasonably effective assistance of counsel to his client.

First, the specific omission or overt act upon which the claim of ineffective assistance of counsel is based must be detailed in the appropriate pleading.

Second, the defendant has the burden to show that this specific omission or overt act was a substantial and serious deficiency measurably below that of competent counsel. To be `below average' is not enough, for that is self evidently the case half the time. The standard of shortfall is necessarily subjective, but it cannot be established merely by showing that counsel's acts or omissions deviated from a checklist of standards."

Third, the defendant has the burden to show that this specific, serious deficiency, when considered under the circumstances of the individual case, was substantial enough to demonstrate a prejudice to the defendant to the extent that there is a likelihood that the deficient conduct affected the een this standardoutcome of the court proceedings.

Fourth, in the event a defendant does show a substantial deficiency and presents a prima facie showing of prejudice, the state still has an opportunity to rebut these assertions by showing beyond a reasonable doubt that there was no prejudice in fact.

Given this standard, what would you cite as a reversible error to date.
 
Moreover, this says nothing of the fact that as part of the prosecution's premeditated murder charge, they must necessarily claim that the best disposal plan Casey could devise was to bag Caylee's body and then leave it on top of the ground close to her home. I consider this to be yet another strong argument that works hard against the State's 1st degree murder charge (premeditated murder).

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I'm late coming into this thread, but I do have to ask..
Planning the disposal of a body (or lack of planning rather) wouldn't necessarily rule out premeditated murder, correct?

Just because the disposal was sloppy and unplanned doesn't mean it wasn't premeditated. In many places, premeditation can happen within seconds, I believe.

I'm curious as to why you connect the two? Anywho, It's been a long day so I hope you get what I'm trying to say. :crazy:

ETA: Just realized I was replying to Wudge's post like 6 pages back, and you guys are on a totally different subject now. It's definitely time for bed.
 
That sure sounds to me like an insult lobbed at the members here, as I discussed earlier. Is that your intent? How does your statement contribute to the discussion?

I wouldn't say that I intended it as an insult because I don't want to offend anyone, but since you asked, I think it was more of a plea for sanity. Seems like this thread is about 75% praising RH (appearance, 'prettiness', wisdom, generosity, his father's broadcaster's voice, life story, etc) and other personal stuff (what does that contribute to the discussion?). Am I the only one not understanding this fixation? It made sense when the Padillas posted - they had inside info - but I just don't get this. Why don't any of the other attorneys who post get this kind of attention? They have as much connection to the actual case, right? Well that is my answer to your question and no I do not mean to insult anyone.
 
I wouldn't say that I intended it as an insult because I don't want to offend anyone, but since you asked, I think it was more of a plea for sanity. Seems like this thread is about 75% praising RH (appearance, 'prettiness', wisdom, generosity, his father's broadcaster's voice, life story, etc) and other personal stuff (what does that contribute to the discussion?). Am I the only one not understanding this fixation? It made sense when the Padillas posted - they had inside info - but I just don't get this. Why don't any of the other attorneys who post get this kind of attention? They have as much connection to the actual case, right? Well that is my answer to your question and no I do not mean to insult anyone.
We appreciate all the contributions by the attorneys and other posters on this board.
as far as people being complimentary to rhornsby, he has taken his share of potshots since coming to these threads as well. Personally I prefer the more positive posts and am not one for insults, especially since they are not welcome on the board.
I found this thread particularly fascinating because it was specific to the FL law and players involved from someone that is there where it is happening.
Did you know they do not specifically offer LWOP as opposed to life in FL? Life means life. I didn't know that and found it interesting.

One thing I have learned here is that all threads are not for all posters and that is totally cool. But I don't understand why it is necessary to tell other posters that what they are interested in isn't worth being interested in. Just scroll on by. I avoid many threads because they are not my cup of tea. but I wouldn't go on the thread and tell others that are interested that they shouldn't be.
 
Thank you. Yes that was what I thought as well. It was disingenuous for RH act as if it was just a brief inconsequential encounter, as he goes into detail with the advice, strategy and was very specific. I think JB followed it as well regarding the 'no more jail visits' policy that seems to be in place. I found that response to be misleading if not dishonest.

Sorry folks I'm just not startstruck like many of my fellow posters here appear to be, who seem to go out of their way to complement and massage egos. We're not getting anything unique from RH imo as he isn't even involved with the case, except for advising Baez and attacking BS.


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I found this thread particularly fascinating because it was specific to the FL law and players involved from someone that is there where it is happening.
Did you know they do not specifically offer LWOP as opposed to life in FL? Life means life. I didn't know that and found it interesting.

I didn't know that about the LWOP, either.

Enjoyed his theory that Judge Strickland wouldn't impose the death penalty, even if the jury found so.

Amazed by the rumor that Casey was offered eight years.

This has been am amazingly meaty thread.

I think I'm the one who called him pretty. I must own that. I wuz being a smartazz by saying he was prettier than Lyons.

Blaise (Well, he is)
 
I think what happened for the first 8 months after her arrest were solely due to Baez - no one else. He allowed this case to get out of control, remember Casey was in jail for the most part. So I think the blame lies with him.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
Can I throw in a little levity here? Hornsby went to bed too early. The boring game's in OT. ;)
 
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