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Hawkshaw, On a lite note. Was anyone at this party aware of any rumors?
 
Mysterymom, Hint hint? I hope your right. If this happens to be an arrest and a whacko is taken off the streets do you think its a name people will be familar with?
 
hawkshaw said:
FYI - just a side note on a FYI. If you think people aren't reading these Blog Boards, think again. I was at a party tonight where a lot of judges, past and present were in attendance. A NYC Supreme Court Judge that I have known for 40years, and haven't seen in several years thanked me for a kind post I made about him when a poster suggessted he might be corrupt for some reason or other. I knew this man well enough to make a leap of faith judgement that it was impossible for such a man to be involved in anything corrupt or unetchical. If I was arrested and brought before him I would get a fair trial. Of course he would have recused himself. I am just trying to make a point. All that one can ask if charged with a crime and charged that one would receive a fair trial. If it was a bench trial and he found me guilty and I was innocent, I would still believe he gave me a fair trial. He is that sort of a man and a judge.

I was stunned that he even read the Blog Board. But he said he read it on a regular basis and knew I posted it even though I only initialed my post.

At the same party three years ago a high ranking Suffolk official told me when I asked him if he was who I thought he was told me he knew me and did meet me once at a private function and I spoke to him. He remembered me from that occasion. He said he knew me and he knew I was the guy that was posting 'emails' on a certain Suffolk Blog Board devoted to Suffolk County politics. He said my posts were devasting to the DA and hinted on was spot on with my accusations. He said that others in his family were addicted to that Board and were addicted to it. They would tell him did you see what this guy (me) wrote now. We had other discussions about my posts of which I won't mention. So if you think these posts on these Boards fall on deaf ears, think again.
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I certainly hope they read it! Maybe they'll see that the "general public" thinks some of their statements and lack of pursuit of the LISK is outrageous.

I hope the County State Attorney, who I've mailed my FOIL appeal to, sees that I'm not going to take "no" without a fight.

I hope the SCPD sees that we won't let these women, man, and child die in vain. We aren't going to sit back and do nothing.

I hope they see that there's more they could have done and should have done, and if they put their egos aside and admitted to their shortcomings, we would have more respect for them.
 
Mysterymom, I am just wondering in writing. It was more than a year ago LE said when an arrest is made in the lisk case that everyone would be surprised. I did not know why he said EVERYONE. I was left with the impression that it was someone people were familar with. I could be wrong.
 
mysterymom7 said:
I certainly hope they read it! Maybe they'll see that the "general public" thinks some of their statements and lack of pursuit of the LISK is outrageous.

I hope the County State Attorney, who I've mailed my FOIL appeal to, sees that I'm not going to take "no" without a fight.

I hope the SCPD sees that we won't let these women, man, and child die in vain. We aren't going to sit back and do nothing.

I hope they see that there's more they could have done and should have done, and if they put their egos aside and admitted to their shortcomings, we would have more respect for them.
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I too hope they are taking notice and taking this whole thing seriously. 10 people died. They were daughters, wives, mothers, aunts, sisters to someone. The man was a son and possibly a brother to someone. Maybe even an uncle. These people mattered. They need names, they need for people to know what happened to them and who did it and they need justice for their deaths.

People here have been dedicated to finding out who did this to these people. Someone has been getting away with murder.

And until someone is brought to justice for it, I am going to question if LE has done everything they can for them. I'm going to question if they have been truthful and honest and did their job without impeding it by covering their own a$$es. And if there is corruption going on in regards to this case, I hope that whoever is involved gets busted and pays for their dishonestly and disregard for the very laws they had sworn to uphold. That goes all the way to the top.
 
deedee21 said:
Mysterymom, I am just wondering in writing. It was more than a year ago LE said when an arrest is made in the lisk case that everyone would be surprised. I did not know why he said EVERYONE. I was left with the impression that it was someone people were familar with. I could be wrong.
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So I don't spread rumors, but I think I should clear the rumor about an arrest. Unfortunately, that's not what the rumor is.
 
Justiceforever said:
Thanks Inspector for your last post. I had never read Fieldnotes blog. Good reading by a good writer in a good position to write on the subject!! After reading your last post I understand how you think the phone call may have taken on a life of it's own. I still think SG was murdered and I think CPH is a GOOD suspect but I am always open to explore ALL possibilities.

I am curious who your POI is these days. Have you ever been open to CPH?
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I've exhaustively researched CPH, JB, KU, SY and a number of other SG and OB related characters that have been mentioned.

I realized when they found Shannan and police said that she drowned that I had been finding suspects and trying to make them fit the evidence. I also was able to see the case from the perspective that SG wasn't a SK victim at all. All of the murky details about the CPH phone calls, crazy coincidences, crappy reporting, etc. became immediately clear to me.

Rookie mistake.

I then looked at the actual evidence.

- threatening phone calls
- burlap
- likely Manorville connection to GB4
- certain cell tower "pings"

My first find was Carman Monaco, Jr. I'm not sure how the media missed this guy, but he certainly fit the profile.

I then looked for a connection to the unique locations, Halsey Manor Rd. and Cedar Beach. My assumption was that someone must have been familiar enough with both places, 50 miles apart, to have returned there after 3 years.

I found the South Shore Waterfowler's Association. The had a shocking direct connection to Manorville and Cedar Beach.

My first POI I could never positively place him in Manorville in 2000 - 2003. Even though his turbulent background might have fit the profile of a typical SK, I had to eliminate him.

As I researched that organization further, I found an active individual who was in fact at the Manorville range in early 2000s. Since only a small handful of SSWA members were active in Manorville in early 2000, he's my POI. The others were eliminated based on older age. My POI is also seen with burlap, which is used extensively in the sport.

The connection to Manorville, burlap and Cedar Beach is all I've got. Plus my geographic profile that puts the SK almost exactly where my POI lives, but I'm not allowed to post that here anymore.

I know its pretty flimsy, but everything in my gut tells me this has got to be him.
 
Inspector why don't you open a thread about your POI and share your research there so we can all discuss it. I was very interested in the CS thread. He definately seemed to fit the profile of an SK I wondered why you gave up on him. I want to know more about this duck hunter.
 
inspctrgadget said:
I've exhaustively researched CPH, JB, KU, SY and a number of other SG and OB related characters that have been mentioned.

I realized when they found Shannan and police said that she drowned that I had been finding suspects and trying to make them fit the evidence. I also was able to see the case from the perspective that SG wasn't a SK victim at all. All of the murky details about the CPH phone calls, crazy coincidences, crappy reporting, etc. became immediately clear to me.

Rookie mistake.

I then looked at the actual evidence.

- threatening phone calls
- burlap
- likely Manorville connection to GB4
- certain cell tower "pings"

My first find was Carman Monaco, Jr. I'm not sure how the media missed this guy, but he certainly fit the profile.

I then looked for a connection to the unique locations, Halsey Manor Rd. and Cedar Beach. My assumption was that someone must have been familiar enough with both places, 50 miles apart, to have returned there after 3 years.

I found the South Shore Waterfowler's Association. The had a shocking direct connection to Manorville and Cedar Beach.

My first POI I could never positively place him in Manorville in 2000 - 2003. Even though his turbulent background might have fit the profile of a typical SK, I had to eliminate him.

As I researched that organization further, I found an active individual who was in fact at the Manorville range in early 2000s. Since only a small handful of SSWA members were active in Manorville in early 2000, he's my POI. The others were eliminated based on older age. My POI is also seen with burlap, which is used extensively in the sport.

The connection to Manorville, burlap and Cedar Beach is all I've got. Plus my geographic profile that puts the SK almost exactly where my POI lives, but I'm not allowed to post that here anymore.

I know its pretty flimsy, but everything in my gut tells me this has got to be him.
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Don't forget about Fire Island in 1996.
 
Justiceforever said:
Inspector why don't you open a thread about your POI and share your research there so we can all discuss it. I was very interested in the CS thread. He definately seemed to fit the profile of an SK I wondered why you gave up on him. I want to know more about this duck hunter.
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I have most of it documented over at:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161555"]Jane Doe 2000 (Manorville & Cedar Beach) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

I haven't identified the POIs obviously because they haven't been mentioned by MSM. I would suggest you review the www.SSWA.org website using Internet Archives in order to identify for yourself those that were active in Manorville in early 2000s.
 
mysterymom7 said:
Don't forget about Fire Island in 1996.
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Actually, I'm not sure Jane Doe 9098 is related. So I leave it out of my list of "evidence". Don't get me wrong, she was definitely murdered and dumped in Nassau County, I just don't see a strong tie to the LISK that killed the GB4.

She was found 10-12 miles away. The Manorville bodies were found in the immediate vicinity of the GB4, so I would say its more likely that they are related to the GB4.

My guess is that Jane Doe 9098 was a victim of Robert Shulman, and his brother dumped her body over the 3rd Wantagh Bridge on his way back to Long Beach. Then he dumped her head just east of the circle, where it was ultimately found many years later.

https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/court-of-appeals/2005/2005-07827.html
 
Thanks I hadn't read that thread! I couldn't access their archives. Do I need to be a member?
 
inspctrgadget said:
Actually, I'm not sure Jane Doe 9098 is related. So I leave it out of my list of "evidence". Don't get me wrong, she was definitely murdered and dumped in Nassau County, I just don't see a strong tie to the LISK that killed the GB4.

She was found 10-12 miles away. The Manorville bodies were found in the immediate vicinity of the GB4, so I would say its more likely that they are related to the GB4.

My guess is that Jane Doe 9098 was a victim of Robert Shulman, and his brother dumped her body over the 3rd Wantagh Bridge on his way back to Long Beach. Then he dumped her head just east of the circle, where it was ultimately found many years later.

https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/court-of-appeals/2005/2005-07827.html
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I'm trying to find a map of the distance between where the bodies were found (I saved it somewhere). Wasn't JD 9098 near the mother of the toddler?
 
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6456400&postcount=15"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Maps & Arial Photos[/ame]
 
re: 'Gadget post
i agree monaco at least deserved some media scrutiny
the media missed monaco,jr but LE looked that way
 
CriminalMinds said:
re: 'Gadget post
i agree monaco at least deserved some media scrutiny
the media missed monaco,jr but LE looked that way
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LE looked that way after the second Manorville victim was discovered, NOT after the GB4 was discovered. I still wonder if he's been re-inverviewed by LE. Apparently TruthSpider went over and spoke with him. Not sure if Truth's claim is true, but if it is it appeared that LE has not in fact re-interviewed him.
 
I am new to posting in this particular thread, so forgive me if I state the obvious, or cover ground that has already been covered.

Here are a few of my observations:

CPH is clearly lying, based on what I witnessed in the video remix.
He most certainly saw SG before. The question on my mind is, where did he meet SG for their meetings? If his wife was home the night she disappeared, that rules out his house. So either he did not meet with her that night or he has another rendezvous location. Where would this location be? Possibly another friend who was also inclined to securing the services of an escort, or ??? Is there a clubhouse of any kind that is available to the residents of the area or community? If it was in the middle of the night and he knew it would be unoccupied, perhaps that is where he met her. Just an idea.

The reason I do not think he is the LISK, or at least the solo LISK, is his physical limitations. He does not walk very well, and without help I cannot see him easily transporting a body anywhere. However, with his medical knowledge, he would be capable of dismembering a body, and also possess the tools to obliterate distinguishing marks( I believe I read that this was done to one of the sets of remains) on a body.

In conclusion, I believe that CPH definitely knows more than he is letting on, and is definitely a John, and quite possibly involved in some capacity in these murders.

I also thought it was telling that he mentioned having to drive his daughter to her new location. That statement seemed to be a way of saying, " Look, I have a grown daughter, and I am such a dedicated father and so protective of my daughter, that I personally made sure she arrived at her destination safely. I am chivalrous and obviously not capable of hurting any female, how could I do such a thing with a daughter of my own."

All my opinions of course....
Thanks for taking the time to read my rambling thoughts.
 
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