Let's talk about the letters

[marie-chantal]

The letters blatantly show distancing. What first sticks out afterward is the phone calls to mother AND daughter. Where did he get BOTH numbers. The knowledge of the BF and Driver, and the excuse that THEY asked him to call the mother. Note, not the daughter. Of course the alibis, sleeping with wife, going on trip with daughter.

You guys have more covered, but I also noted a nervousness, that would make sense being a suspect. But the nervousness makes the DR ramble and express more/change more than is necessary, especially with a wife and perhaps colleagues/friends to advise.

BBM

Good catch! I also can't buy the idea that he was allegedly asked to call the mother. WHY would they ask him to call? He's just some random guy who, according CPH himself, had nothing to do with this case. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[da fino]

To me, this pattern of calling the families, "playing telephone" does tie Shannan's case to the other cases. That plus the request to the last victims to not bring a cell phone, after Shannan's disappearance, to me says it all.

yep. this tidbit puts both CPH and JB on the hook, no?

 

[Redbird]

I don't see how the phone calls would put JB on the hook at all. I am not aware of JB making any phone calls to the victims families. If he is the SK, he could have requested the girls after the SG incident not bring phones, but we have nothing to connect JB to any of the other victims. The most I can figure out is that JB may have been given references by the doc and may have taken SG to the doc's house for a sedative. Or recreational drugs. That part is very fuzzy for me. After hearing accounts over and over I am leaning toward SG leaving JB's and was picked up by MP down the road from Gus's place. I think MP may have taken her to the doc's house for a handsome fee. MP could have helped CPH get rid of her, but I tend to think he high tailed it out of there immediately and out of the state asap. To me, JB does not fit the profile of the sk. He is a slob. He is dishonest but not intelligent enough to be cunning. It seemed obvious that he has limited experience with escorts. He certainly bungled things and I can't see him committing murders since at least 2003 till now without getting caught. I do think the sk have been operating that long.

 

[da fino]

hi redbird, to me its the request to not bring a phone to more recent victims that puts JB on the hook as well. we do know that SG was on the phone with 911 for 23 minutes while at JB's. i doubt that was an experience he wanted to repeat. i also seriously doubt if SG felt her life was threatened, she was up for doing another trick at the doctors that morning.

i agree that MP skeedaddled shortly after running into GC. i recall an account of GC telling MP that he called the cops and that they would be there soon. if i'm MP, i don't really feel the need to explain to and LEO why i'm looking around for an intoxicated call girl.

to me, the phone was the problem for JB not CPH. especially if CPH was the one that like to play the phone games after the fact. seems like CPH would want to keep doing them, and bringing a phone and its contacts would be a means to that end.

 

[bodhi93]

Who, in their right mind, would send letters to the media without proof reading them at least once, if not several times??? He had to have known that they would be posted for all to see.

For being an educated man, CPH is certainly not well spoken (written)!!! He comes across as a complete dolt. I wouldn't be surprised, at all, if it comes out that he did not write the letters. I suspect that his wife wrote them for him. I'm not saying that she is un-educated. I just find that it's harder to write a letter for someone else... JMOO...

 

[whywhywhy]

Maybe I missed it, but is there any proof that he even wrote the letters? Those letters could've easily been written by the SK, in order to make the Doc a suspect again.

 

[minazoe]

interesting...

this guy writes letters...

no one does that.

makes calls to victims families.

no one does that without a link or info to provide...

why does he insert himself here? does he really have a leg missing? or is he just crippled ?

does he really have a breathing apparatus?

so Twin Peaks....where is Laura Palmer...?

 

[CanManEh]

twas she not seen running away by another resident when she came inside he called 911 she hid under the boat .If thats right how the heck was the good ole doc chasing her he clearly isn't moving to quick i dought he could chase after her unless he was on his scooter.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

interesting...

this guy writes letters...

no one does that.

makes calls to victims families.

no one does that without a link or info to provide...

why does he insert himself here? does he really have a leg missing? or is he just crippled ?

does he really have a breathing apparatus?

so Twin Peaks....where is Laura Palmer...?

No idea about a breathing apparatus, but he does have an artificial leg as a result of a bad car accident.

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

I used to live on LI and the Oak Beach Inn was a very popular hot spot I used to frequent around 1970. It was a spectacular venue with a large deck overlooking the ocean, btw. Eventually, long after I moved away, it was torn down because of noise complaints from the handful of wealthy nearby residents (probably the Oak Beach Homeowners Assoc). When the bodies were found I was shocked and creeped out since I passed by and hung out all over that string of beach.

So far, all I know is from the TV newscasts and the letters that have been posted here. I'll have to do much more research, but thought I'd weigh in because of my background.

As you've all seen from the pics this long strip of beaches is bordered on one side by the bay and the other by the ocean. It's not very wide and the entire area is desolate and very dark at night with virtually no traffic off season.

I'd guess that the people who have homes there have a small town mentality and know one another. When CPH was approached by the two men I would imagine he was concerned about a missing person in the area and wanted to be helpful. He gave them his business card in case he could be of further assistance. I don't think that referring to it as a 'calling card' is odd at all. In certain circles and professions that is proper terminology.

I can understand CPH following up to see what the outcome eventually was. I've written down numbers on missing pet posters and have called a year later to see if the dog or cat was ever located. I love animals and it's just my nature.

As I mentioned, we're talking about a very small area here. If CPH was complicit in any way, I can't imagine he would want to bring attention on himself by having bodies disposed of so close to his home.

I also don't think the letters sound strange. And some of us relics do still write letters! To me, they are to the point, and sound feasible.

Anyway, just my two :twocents: for now. More reading and research ahead!

 

[svpernin]

I used to live on LI and the Oak Beach Inn was a very popular hot spot I used to frequent around 1970. It was a spectacular venue with a large deck overlooking the ocean, btw. Eventually, long after I moved away, it was torn down because of noise complaints from the handful of wealthy nearby residents (probably the Oak Beach Homeowners Assoc). When the bodies were found I was shocked and creeped out since I passed by and hung out all over that string of beach.

So far, all I know is from the TV newscasts and the letters that have been posted here. I'll have to do much more research, but thought I'd weigh in because of my background.

As you've all seen from the pics this long strip of beaches is bordered on one side by the bay and the other by the ocean. It's not very wide and the entire area is desolate and very dark at night with virtually no traffic off season.

I'd guess that the people who have homes there have a small town mentality and know one another. When CPH was approached by the two men I would imagine he was concerned about a missing person in the area and wanted to be helpful. He gave them his business card in case he could be of further assistance. I don't think that referring to it as a 'calling card' is odd at all. In certain circles and professions that is proper terminology.

I can understand CPH following up to see what the outcome eventually was. I've written down numbers on missing pet posters and have called a year later to see if the dog or cat was ever located. I love animals and it's just my nature.

As I mentioned, we're talking about a very small area here. If CPH was complicit in any way, I can't imagine he would want to bring attention on himself by having bodies disposed of so close to his home.

I also don't think the letters sound strange. And some of us relics do still write letters! To me, they are to the point, and sound feasible.

Anyway, just my two :twocents: for now. More reading and research ahead!

Thanks for this insight. I'm trying very hard to open my mind up to the notion that CPH and JB are not involved Shannan's disappearance or the murders so I really appreciate this post and you make some good points. I just can't get past the fact that CPH seems to have completely lied about making these phone calls until it became undeniable (through phone records) that he made them.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thanks for this insight. I'm trying very hard to open my mind up to the notion that CPH and JB are not involved Shannan's disappearance or the murders so I really appreciate this post and you make some good points. I just can't get past the fact that CPH seems to have completely lied about making these phone calls until it became undeniable (through phone records) that he made them.

Add to that the early news articles which state that CPH claims to have seen SG running down the beach looking sick and disoriented. Where did the reporter get THAT story from? I know that reporters aren't always accurate, but credible news outlets usually don't just make things up out of thin air either. So where's the truth hidden here?

Also, early reports say that the family of SG claimed that CPH called them and said SG was being cared for in his rehab facility. Is the family lying, simply mistaken? Curious they would claim this if it didn't actually happen, don't you think?

And lastly, we have CPH stating that he NEVER called the family of SG. We know from phone records that that is an outright lie. We also know that he refused to take a polygraph.

NOT the actions of an innocence, concerned citizen, imo.

 

[ButterflyGirl]

I also find it very strange that a complete stranger would call the family and inquire about Shannon and then lie about it....That seems way off to me....and his reason for calling them in the first place.I know I usually don't call people complete strangers have told me to call....

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I also find it very strange that a complete stranger would call the family and inquire about Shannon and then lie about it....That seems way off to me....and his reason for calling them in the first place.I know I usually don't call people complete strangers have told me to call....

My point exactly, BG. How come the friends didn't give Coletti the number and ask HIM to call the family? Surely he would have had more to offer than the doctor who never saw or even heard of SG.

I'm also bugged by the familiar way in which CPH refers to the driver and boyfriend in those letters. Sure doesn't sound like he's referring to complete strangers he only met briefly. At least, to me it doesn't. So...is it possible CPH had met and dealt with MP and AD before? Sure makes you wonder.

 

[svpernin]

Great points, guys. I also find it particularly suspicious that CPH seems to have no memory of the content of these phone calls. Yes, the calls were over a year ago, but, if we are to believe CPH's version of the circumstances surrounding the calls, (missing woman in his community that he had no involvement with, being asked by strangers to call her family) they are incredibly novel, rare experiences (for most people, I would think). I would expect a bit more detail recollection based on the sheer peculiarity of the situation.

OT: It's good to have you back, MK. I enjoyed your mock juror posts on that-trial-which-will-not-be-mentioned.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Great points, guys. I also find it particularly suspicious that CPH seems to have no memory of the content of these phone calls. Yes, the calls were over a year ago, but, if we are to believe CPH's version of the circumstances surrounding the calls, (missing woman in his community that he had no involvement with, being asked by strangers to call her family) they are incredibly novel, rare experiences (for most people, I would think). I would expect a bit more detail recollection based on the sheer peculiarity of the situation.

OT: It's good to have you back, MK. I enjoyed your mock juror posts on that-trial-which-will-not-be-mentioned.

O/T It's good to be back. Apparently, I'm a better "mock" juror than the clowns they sat on the real jury. :innocent:

Back ON topic...another thing I find interesting is CPH's voice. Quite soft spoken, isn't he? And didn't MB's sister remark that the SK was soft spoken?

 

[shadowraiths]

Since some people are asking about the wife, I've added that video clip to the video remix ( link ).

 

[shadowraiths]

Wrt whether (or not) the letters were forged? Doubtful, imho. In the second letter he refers to questions Morairty had asked. As for why he would write anything at all? That's fairly simple, imho. Moriarty contacted him for an interview. Hence the first letter. At which point, she calls with follow up questions. Which in turn, results in the second letter.

Btw, and aside, do a search for the fax number and you will see it is listed as his business fax. Notably a business that is listed in Oak Beach. In other words, he is presenting himself as doing business from his home. Which again, refutes his protestations. But, I digress.

While he could have simply responded "no comment," or "not interested," to remain silent would arguably make him look like he had something to hide. It's a rock and hard spot sort of thing. So, he chose to write. After all, writing allows one to create measured responses. Unfortunately, unless someone is a practiced writer, various things can bleed through that may (or not) be meaningful. Additionally, we only see one side of that particular conversation. So, the superfluous stuff could have been nothing more than responses to Moriarty's questions (i.e., why do you think the family and the media suspect you? where were you after shannan disappeared? why didn't you take a LDT? etcetera)

Anyway, that's my devil's advocate take.

 

[21merc7]

I agree that the letters are clearly written in response to questions.

I also think it is so he has a paper trail, besides everyone should know that you should keep everything recorded in any "legal" situation. This is a legal situation for him if he is a person of interest for LE. It can also provide a reminder to him what has been said and has been publicized at this point. Ie. the 2 phone calls to mother and daughter and the odd fact that the pimp and bf "requested" he make a call to them, where he was and when during that time, you get the point.

 

[minazoe]

In a legal situation...his lawyer should tie Hackett's hands behind his back and put a gag on him...because he is digging his own grave with this stuff.