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How can a lab exclude and include dna upon request?

Eddie99,
Basically because they can. Some dna tests are more reliable than others. i.e. the unreliable ones have huge margins of error.

Another reason is not duplicating previous tests results, i.e. your only looking for foreign dna, so request that the report only itemizes this as such.

So an unidentified dna admixture can simply be cataloged as indeterminate or foreign.

Also the DNA profile or admixture sampled from JonBenet's underwear was not a FULL profile.

They had to add to it, i.e. make stuff up, before it could be entered into CODIS.

Not a problem as it was foreign dna, you get the idea.

So you can basically invent an Intruder scenario based on an incomplete dna profile, tweak it, then tag it as Foreign.

Anyway as Kolar suggests in his book there was supposed to be more than one Intruder in the house, i.e. Foreign Faction, as per the ransom note.

Yet there is ZERO forensic evidence related to multiple foreign dna profiles, very strange indeed.

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In fact, the Barbie nightgown itself should not be there in the WC. Touch DNA cannot explain why a bloody garment of the victim was left beside her. Perhaps, behind expectations for DNA evidence is an assumption that the abuser and killer are the same? JonBenet sustained dual lethal attacks.

Patsy lied about BR's boots, which indicates that they seemed significant to her. But when would Burke have put them on? He could not have worn them to the Whites', or she'd be caught out easily about them. After coming home makes no sense. Unless it was earlier when BR was prowling nosily around the basement? He could have dropped the knife then.

BDI does mesh with a lot of evidence, in a connect the dots sort of way. Although, his motive is vague for such a brutal crime. Patsy is the most linked to direct evidence, which is not a matter of inferences.

Conflicting accounts are a defensive strategy by Team R. The parents never testified under oath.

proust20,
Touch DNA cannot explain why a bloody garment of the victim was left beside her.
Sure, but they should NOT be there, suggesting these forensic items link back to JonBenet's initial assault?

But when would Burke have put them on?
Good observation, so as per Holmes, once I've eliminated the impossible all that remains is Burke's walk through the basement on Christmas Day afternoon, as Kolar himself has also concluded.

The knife remains uncertain, but significant because it was Burke's.

There are a series of locations to which BR is potentially linked, e.g. breakfast bar, wine-cellar, basement, and most likely JonBenet's bedroom.

This goes beyond connecting the dots, its a prima fascie observation.

It might be BR lost it on Christmas night and went postal on JonBenet?

Then he constructed an amateurish staging down in the basement complete with broken window.

By the time the parents get involved JonBenet is comatose.

So they decide to either to finish her off or do so not knowing she is still alive by staging a ligature asphyxiation and a fake sexual assault?

The rest is history complete with tweaks and claims particular statements were never made, etc.

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The different theories about this case all face difficulties. What was the motive is the most important question. Snatching a bit of pineapple does not seem sufficient cause for the brutality of the crime. Whoever was responsible quickly shifted from overwhelming rage by the time BPD arrived. - A telling ability to compartmentalize.


Does BDI depend on Burke being the abuser as well? The chronic SA provides the best motive IMO. The last person who wiped JonBenet had to be aware of it. But, BR would have done so before he redressed her. Even if the final assault is staging, it at least betrays guilty knowledge of what had been occurring.

Patsy is concealing something about the Hi-Tec boots. She wouldn't know about the boot print, which could have been destroyed without a trace. If she is hiding that BR was in the basement Christmas Day, then something had been set in motion previous to the Whites' party. Thus, whatever happened was not sudden.

Certainly, there is no evidence of intruder(s). The FF is derived from movies, as references in the RN bear out. If the RN were written after JB's demise, it should be related to the WC scene. After all, the author had the good fortune to be working backwards. However, there is no correlation. Of course, the RN could have been written at any time. The RN may be a composite of various versions?

The potential is other than the actual. Patsy bought and stored the size 12s. She practiced and wrote the RN with her pad and pen. She 'discovered' the RN, and called 911. Her fibers are in the WC. Her paintbrush was used to fashion the garrote and to assault. John's fibers were found on the body. It is unknown why the GJ indicted the parents. Likewise, it is unknown what Burke told them. In effect, he had immunity.
 
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The different theories about this case all face difficulties. What was the motive is the most important question. Snatching a bit of pineapple does not seem sufficient cause for the brutality of the crime. Whoever was responsible quickly shifted from overwhelming rage by the time BPD arrived. - A telling ability to compartmentalize.


Does BDI depend on Burke being the abuser as well? The chronic SA provides the best motive IMO. The last person who wiped JonBenet had to be aware of it. But, BR would have done so before he redressed her. Even if the final assault is staging, it at least betrays guilty knowledge of what had been occurring.

Patsy is concealing something about the Hi-Tec boots. She wouldn't know about the boot print, which could have been destroyed without a trace. If she is hiding that BR was in the basement Christmas Day, then something had been set in motion previous to the Whites' party. Thus, whatever happened was not sudden.

Certainly, there is no evidence of intruder(s). The FF is derived from movies, as references in the RN bear out. If the RN were written after JB's demise, it should be related to the WC scene. After all, the author had the good fortune to be working backwards. However, there is no correlation. Of course, the RN could have been written at any time. The RN may be a composite of various versions?

The potential is other than the actual. Patsy bought and stored the size 12s. She practiced and wrote the RN with her pad and pen. She 'discovered' the RN, and called 911. Her fibers are in the WC. Her paintbrush was used to fashion the garrote and to assault. John's fibers were found on the body. It is unknown why the GJ indicted the parents. Likewise, it is unknown what Burke told them. In effect, he had immunity.

proust20,
The staging down in the basement is not really forensic evidence as all it demonstrates is that the Ramsey's staged a crime-scene.

Does BDI depend on Burke being the abuser as well?
No, because he might have just whacked JonBenet so placing her in a coma?

The acute SA might represent staging with John indulging in the Chronic SA?

Another aspect is whether Burke was sexually active, i.e. onset of puberty?

Was he precoscious, had he been influenced by his peers in this area, say via sleepovers?

So you could make a case that rules out BR being the abuser on the grounds that he was too immature?

It is unknown why the GJ indicted the parents.
Most likely because they thought John and/or Patsy were responsible.

It might have been a legal move to persuade, say Patsy, to point the finger at John. As both parents were hit with similar True Bills.

If the RN were written after JB's demise, it should be related to the WC scene.
Sure, but the rationale behind the RN is a reason to dial 911 and explain how JonBenet was moved from her bedroom to the wine-cellar!

Of course it would not have been lost on John or Patsy the cognitive dissonance of JonBenet lying in the wine-cellar and the Ransom Note requesting a fee for JonBenet's return.

An outside possibility is PDI with Patsy whacking JonBenet in a continuation of their pre-party disagreement?

Obviously the last candidate RDI theory is that of JDI - or John Did It?

Not much evidence for this other than John and Patsy's relationship had become strained as Patsy disliked his intimate requests.

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Also,

Where did the pubic hair (non ramsey) come from?

Where did the animal hair/fur come from?

Where did the pineapple come from? Can/fresh - Where is the empty can or rind?

Where did the tape come from? Where is the roll?

Where are the boots that br was supposedly wearing?

If the parents disposed of the boots....
Why would they dispose of them? There would be nothing suspicious about a residents boot print in the basement?

Who's (Caucasian) dna is on the underwear?

Why would someone stage a murder scene in the basement, then purposely/deliberately be the one who finds it?

If someone is cunning enough engineer a fabricated murder scene, and cover story.
Does it stand to reason that that same party would write a ransom note, with thier own hand?

Bonus question: what if JBR was awake when they got home from the party? And the family said "yeah, she woke up when we got her out of the car. She wanted a snack so vwe gave her some pineapple. Then she went to bed".

Another pineapple question: the autopsy report indicates the contents of her stomach has been digesting for several hours. Does this imply br got pissed of because jbr ate his pineapple. Then the 9 year old bashed her head in, then assaulted her with the brush handle and fashioned a garrote with a complex knot.
Then either he and/or his parents disposed of everything mentioned above
But decided it was best to leave the body and all the other evidence in the basement?

Oh, and we need to belive that one person in the household decided to kill a 6 year old girl, and everyone else was totally cool with it, and eagerly and earnestly participated in covering this up?

Bonus question: Why is the word/theory of people whom made money off interviews and book sales. (Including detective Arndt who thought JR was going to kill her too.... which by virtue of the fact she's still alive; was WRONG)
To be held in higher regard that 2 grieving parents whom weren't interviewed for over a year later, and answered every question?
 
In fact, the Barbie nightgown itself should not be there in the WC. Touch DNA cannot explain why a bloody garment of the victim was left beside her. Perhaps, behind expectations for DNA evidence is an assumption that the abuser and killer are the same? JonBenet sustained dual lethal attacks.

Patsy lied about BR's boots, which indicates that they seemed significant to her. But when would Burke have put them on? He could not have worn them to the Whites', or she'd be caught out easily about them. After coming home makes no sense. Unless it was earlier when BR was prowling nosily around the basement? He could have dropped the knife then.

BDI does mesh with a lot of evidence, in a connect the dots sort of way. Although, his motive is vague for such a brutal crime. Patsy is the most linked to direct evidence, which is not a matter of inferences.

Conflicting accounts are a defensive strategy by Team R. The parents never testified under oath.

This post made me think of an old theory of mine. I don't know how much has changed or if it would be relevant because I haven't followed this case for awhile but I thought I would take a few minutes to share it. I will let others here that know more about it decide.
IIRC, JR stated on the night in question that he had stayed up and helped BR build a model airplane. So what do people often times do with a model airplane? Many people suspend it from the ceiling or some other high place using a piece of twine or wire to give it the appearance of being in flight. I think this is a possibility. At some point and for some unknown reason BR loops the twine over JBR's head and around her neck and snatches her down hard, probably from some high place such as the staircase, from out of a chair or somewhere else causing her to strike her head on something. The head blow and a ligature mark would have occured simultaneously. The model airplane would have been the original garrote so to speak. This is why the R's couldn't just pass it off as an accident because how would they explain the ligature mark?
As for all the staging and sexual stuff I don't really know. Maybe someone was covering up prior sexual abuse or maybe someone just thought that a sexual assault went along with all of the stigma that surrounds a murder by garrote.
All of this is just my opinion and an old one at that.

Some of you may have noticed that I used the words "high place" twice so I just wanted to add, in this scenario could these two high places be one and the same? It's worth thinking about.
 
Also,

Where did the pubic hair (non ramsey) come from?

Where did the animal hair/fur come from?

Where did the pineapple come from? Can/fresh - Where is the empty can or rind?

Where did the tape come from? Where is the roll?

Where are the boots that br was supposedly wearing?

If the parents disposed of the boots....
Why would they dispose of them? There would be nothing suspicious about a residents boot print in the basement?

Who's (Caucasian) dna is on the underwear?

Why would someone stage a murder scene in the basement, then purposely/deliberately be the one who finds it?

If someone is cunning enough engineer a fabricated murder scene, and cover story.
Does it stand to reason that that same party would write a ransom note, with thier own hand?

Bonus question: what if JBR was awake when they got home from the party? And the family said "yeah, she woke up when we got her out of the car. She wanted a snack so vwe gave her some pineapple. Then she went to bed".

Another pineapple question: the autopsy report indicates the contents of her stomach has been digesting for several hours. Does this imply br got pissed of because jbr ate his pineapple. Then the 9 year old bashed her head in, then assaulted her with the brush handle and fashioned a garrote with a complex knot.
Then either he and/or his parents disposed of everything mentioned above
But decided it was best to leave the body and all the other evidence in the basement?

Oh, and we need to belive that one person in the household decided to kill a 6 year old girl, and everyone else was totally cool with it, and eagerly and earnestly participated in covering this up?

Bonus question: Why is the word/theory of people whom made money off interviews and book sales. (Including detective Arndt who thought JR was going to kill her too.... which by virtue of the fact she's still alive; was WRONG)
To be held in higher regard that 2 grieving parents whom weren't interviewed for over a year later, and answered every question?

Eddie99,
Where did the pubic hair (non ramsey) come from?
Dont Know.

Where did the animal hair/fur come from?
Who Knows, Patsy's boots?

Where did the pineapple come from? Can/fresh - Where is the empty can or rind?
Purchased fresh from local supermarket by Patsy. She prepared it and put in a Bowl then placed it in the fridge.

Where did the tape come from? Where is the roll?
Some old tape lying about the house?

Where are the boots that br was supposedly wearing?
Who knows. Disposed of or BPD tracked them down.

If the parents disposed of the boots....
Why would they dispose of them? There would be nothing suspicious about a residents boot print in the basement?
If they disposed of them. The Bootprint was found impressed on the wine-cellar floor which is more specific than the basement. When the location of the bootprint is a staged crime-scene then it does indeed become suspicious.

Who's (Caucasian) dna is on the underwear?
Nobody knows as it has never been matched in CODIS, funny that.

Why would someone stage a murder scene in the basement, then purposely/deliberately be the one who finds it?
Thats what crime-scene stagers do. "Hey I just found this body!"

If someone is cunning enough engineer a fabricated murder scene, and cover story.
Does it stand to reason that that same party would write a ransom note, with thier own hand?
Only if there is nobody else to write it, i.e. Patsy.

Bonus question: what if JBR was awake when they got home from the party? And the family said "yeah, she woke up when we got her out of the car. She wanted a snack so vwe gave her some pineapple. Then she went to bed".
The parents NEVER said that though. They did not know JonBenet had consumed the pineapple. Otherwise they might have stated just what you proposed.

Another pineapple question: the autopsy report indicates the contents of her stomach has been digesting for several hours. Does this imply br got pissed of because jbr ate his pineapple. Then the 9 year old bashed her head in, then assaulted her with the brush handle and fashioned a garrote with a complex knot.
Then either he and/or his parents disposed of everything mentioned above
But decided it was best to leave the body and all the other evidence in the basement?
NO, the pineapple might not play any role in JonBenet's death.
Who whacked her on the head, assaulted her with the paintbrush handle and constructed a ligature is open for debate.

Oh, and we need to belive that one person in the household decided to kill a 6 year old girl, and everyone else was totally cool with it, and eagerly and earnestly participated in covering this up?
No, one person assaulted JonBenet leading to her becoming comatose. Who actually killed her is open for debate. Yes all three remaining Ramsey's, by definition, colluded in the postmortem staging.


Bonus question: Why is the word/theory of people whom made money off interviews and book sales. (Including detective Arndt who thought JR was going to kill her too.... which by virtue of the fact she's still alive; was WRONG)
To be held in higher regard that 2 grieving parents whom weren't interviewed for over a year later, and answered every question?
As the Beach Boys said, God Only Knows. You just have to accept there was NO intruder as there is ZERO forensic evidence linking to anyone outside the Ramsey house. There were four Ramsey's in the house that night, by the next morning one was dead.
You win a coconut if you work out which Ramsey killed JonBenet.

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Eddie99,

Dont Know.


Who Knows, Patsy's boots?


Purchased fresh from local supermarket by Patsy. She prepared it and put in a Bowl then placed it in the fridge.


Some old tape lying about the house?


Who knows. Disposed of or BPD tracked them down.


If they disposed of them. The Bootprint was found impressed on the wine-cellar floor which is more specific than the basement. When the location of the bootprint is a staged crime-scene then it does indeed become suspicious.


Nobody knows as it has never been matched in CODIS, funny that.


Thats what crime-scene stagers do. "Hey I just found this body!"


Only if there is nobody else to write it, i.e. Patsy.


The parents NEVER said that though. They did not know JonBenet had consumed the pineapple. Otherwise they might have stated just what you proposed.


NO, the pineapple might not play any role in JonBenet's death.
Who whacked her on the head, assaulted her with the paintbrush handle and constructed a ligature is open for debate.


No, one person assaulted JonBenet leading to her becoming comatose. Who actually killed her is open for debate. Yes all three remaining Ramsey's, by definition, colluded in the postmortem staging.



As the Beach Boys said, God Only Knows. You just have to accept there was NO intruder as there is ZERO forensic evidence linking to anyone outside the Ramsey house. There were four Ramsey's in the house that night, by the next morning one was dead.
You win a coconut if you work out which Ramsey killed JonBenet.

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Hi I'm new on here and absolutely love reading your insightful posts. I've tried to post a big question I have on this case but for some reason I can't post it :( can someone please direct me where to post or can I post it under this post. Thanks in advance :)
 
Hi I'm new on here and absolutely love reading your insightful posts. I've tried to post a big question I have on this case but for some reason I can't post it :( can someone please direct me where to post or can I post it under this post. Thanks in advance :)
Case Cracker,
Just sign in and click the REPLY BUTTON on the right hand side of any message to add in your opinion.

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JDI is not popular. Although, as with all RDI theories, it cannot be totally discounted. On paper, John is both the likely abuser and killer. His 'finding' the body contributes to this likelihood. His shirt fibers indicate intimacy with the body. The final RN was addressed only to him. It positioned JR as JonBenet's savior. Irony? What if John solely wrote the RN? The 118k was his bonus. He too might have made the mistake of the size 12s. His stories about breaking the basement window, and then about whether he closed it or not are muddled.

On the 26th, John had lost a child, and sent one out of his house. If he could have caught a flight out of CO, he'd have left Patsy in the lurch. A way of viewing this is that John was ridding himself of his new family? He knew that he was also losing his career.

JR was "cordial" and showered. Whoever killed JB was able to detach quickly from the violence of the crime by the time BPD came. LA looked in his eyes and knew who killed JB.

When did JR decide it was a good idea to catch a flight out of CO?
 
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JDI is not popular. Although, as with all RDI theories, it cannot be totally discounted. On paper, John is both the likely abuser and killer. His 'finding' the body contributes to this likelihood. His shirt fibers indicate intimacy with the body. The final RN was addressed only to him. It positioned JR as JonBenet's savior. Irony? What if John solely wrote the RN?

On the 26th, John had lost a child, and sent one out of his house. If he could have caught a flight out of CO, he'd have left Patsy in the lurch. A way of viewing this is that John was ridding himself of his new family? He knew that he was also losing his career.

JR was "cordial" and showered. Whoever killed JB was able to detach quickly from the violence of the crime by the time BPD came. LA looked in his eyes and knew who killed JB.
Proust20,
Interesting take and a possibility. As all three R’s can be directly linked to the crime scene; I will stick with my all 3 were involved, theory.
 
Clarification on the bloomies:
2000-08-28: Patsy Ramsey Interview - Atlanta, Georgia - August 28, 2000

1 Q. The underwear that she was
2 wearing, that is Bloomi's panties, do you
3 know where they come from as far as what
4 store?
5 A. Bloomingdales in New York.
6 Q. Who purchased those?
7 A. I did.
8 Q. Do you recall when you purchased
9 them?
10 A. It was, I think, November of '96.
11 Q. In the fall of 1996, how many
12 trips did you make to New York?
13 A. Two, I believe.
14 Q. Do you recall, and again, the
15 same, same qualification I gave you when we
16 started, which is, I understand that you are
17 not going to give me exact dates, but the
18 two trips you made, did you make those with
19 different groups of people?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. The first trip, who was that trip
22 with?
23 A. The first trip was a
24 mother-daughter trip with my mother Nedra
25 Paugh, my sister Pam Paugh, friends Susan
1 Flanders from Charlevoix, Michigan, and her
2 daughter and a friend of Susan's, Ms.
3 Kirkpatrick I believe was her name, and her
4 daughter, and JonBenet and myself.
5 Q. And the second trip you made was?
6 A. The second trip we made was with
7 Glen and Susan Stein.
8 Q. Is that the trip -- which trip
9 was the November trip?
10 A. With the children.
11 Q. Was that -- that is the first
12 trip?
13 A. Yes.
2 Q. Which of those two trips did you
3 purchase the Bloomi's?
4 A. The first trip.
5 Q. Was it something that was selected
6 by JonBenet?
7 A. I believe so.
8 Q. Was it your intention, when you
9 purchased those, for those to be for her,
10 not for some third party as a gift?
11 A. I bought some things that were
12 gifts and some things for her. So I
13 don't --
14 Q. Just so I am clear, though, it is
15 your best recollection that the purchase of
16 the underpants, the Bloomi's days of the
17 week, was something that you bought for her,
18 whether it was just I am buying underwear
19 for my kids or these are special, here's a
20 present, that doesn't matter, but it was your
21 intention that she would wear those?
22 A. Well, I think that I bought a
23 package of the -- they came in a package of
24 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
25 I think I bought a package to give to my
1 niece.
2 Q. Which niece was that?
3 A. Jenny Davis.
4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do
5 you remember that they come in kind of a
6 plastic see-through plastic container.
7 A. Right.
8 Q. They are rolled up?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. So if I understand you correctly,
11 you bought one package for Jenny Davis, your
12 niece, and one for JonBenet?
13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or
14 two.
15 Q. Do you remember what size they
16 were?
17 A. Not exactly.
18 Q. JonBenet was found wearing the
19 Wednesday Bloomi's underpants, and your
20 understanding is correct, that is a fact, you
21 can accept that as a fact, when she was
22 found murdered. Those underpants do not fit
23 her. Were you aware of that?
24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
25 as a matter of fact --

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1 MR. LEVIN: I'm stating that as a
2 matter --
3 MR. WOOD: - for a six-year-old
4 child?
5 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
6 a matter of fact.
17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Ms. Ramsey, your
18 daughter weighed, I believe, 45 pounds;
19 correct?
20 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
21 Q. She was six years old?
22 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
23 Q. What size underpants would you
24 normally buy for her?
25 A. 8 to 10.

0083
1 Q. Ms. Ramsey, would you say that it
2 would, it is safe to assume that, if she is
3 wearing underpants designed for someone who
4 weighs 85 pounds, who is 10 to 12 years old,
5 that those would not fit her?
6 A. Those -- I mean, I am sure she
7 could wear them, yes, but they wouldn't fit
8 as well as a smaller pair.
9 Q. And as a mother, you would know
10 that someone who is 85 pounds is
11 significantly larger than your little
12 six-year-old?


Paulette Paugh Davis is Patsy’s sister. Jenny Davis is Paulette’s daughter. Underwear is something that is always needed as children grow. A gift of bloomies would have been considered a nice, much needed gift, IMO.

The fact that PR is tying herself into the staged crime scene by not only identifying the undies but also stating she purchased them. Why would she do this? There has to be an explanation for their presence. You think the FF perhaps brought them into the home but no writing paper or pens? If you looks at the media link of the house you will see the laundry room in the basement that was left in the middle of wrappings. Since there was a party on the 23rd, it only makes sense that Christmas gifts were moved to the laundry room for wrapping. JR was serving cocktails in the butlers pantry. Who do we suppose knew about that purchase and their location?
Look....I know there isn't much to talk about on the case, but nitpicking "gotchas" on small potatoes isn't going to make these upstanding churchgoung citizens sadistic child torturer murderers.

Let's how much correct minute detail you could recall on a busy, hectic, traumatic night like that. Hundreds of questions. ...you get 90 percent? 99 percent? Not good enough, murderer!
 
Well, in the final analysis....

Most of the content of online forums are filled with wild theories & accusations. And of all the solves cases they turn out to be 99.99999999% wrong.
 
JDI is not popular. Although, as with all RDI theories, it cannot be totally discounted. On paper, John is both the likely abuser and killer. His 'finding' the body contributes to this likelihood. His shirt fibers indicate intimacy with the body. The final RN was addressed only to him. It positioned JR as JonBenet's savior. Irony? What if John solely wrote the RN? The 118k was his bonus. He too might have made the mistake of the size 12s. His stories about breaking the basement window, and then about whether he closed it or not are muddled.

On the 26th, John had lost a child, and sent one out of his house. If he could have caught a flight out of CO, he'd have left Patsy in the lurch. A way of viewing this is that John was ridding himself of his new family? He knew that he was also losing his career.

JR was "cordial" and showered. Whoever killed JB was able to detach quickly from the violence of the crime by the time BPD came. LA looked in his eyes and knew who killed JB.

When did JR decide it was a good idea to catch a flight out of CO?

proust20,
JR's fingerprints are all over the latter part of the postmortem staging. Looks more likely he was cleaning up a prior staging that had just been revised.

Why would JR be cycling through various staging scenarios, if he was responsible for JonBenet's death?

More probable he was assisting Patsy or Burke?

All three Ramsey's are involved in some form of postmortem staging, so they all know who killed JonBenet!

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What is the "later part" of the staging?

Can you put a finger point on that?

And where were his fingerprints found?

Also I think it was you that mentioned patsy turning down John's sexual requests. You never said how you know that, or what those requests were.
 
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