Lisa has been Missing for 6 Months now

[DeAnn]

And media exposure may really not help the case. Think about Lisa - she looks like a lot of babies. Having tons of tips rolling in could muddy the waters. She's also going to age fast, because babies at that age are constantly growing. If she was taken by someone who wants their own child, they probably altered her appearance and/or got out of dodge. If she wasn't taken by someone who wanted a baby, she's dead. Broadcasting her face everywhere isn't going to do much for that either.

I really can't think of the last time a public plea or airing your grief on television has actually helped recover a child. The only thing it does is follow the script of what good parents "should" do - so that they can be ripped apart by our tabloid media.

I would argue that because Elizabeth Smart's family kept her story in the public spotlight that people knew what she looked like and it led to her return.

I can think of a number of innocent parents who turned to the media to get their story out. Their child unfortunately wound up dead by a stranger or neighbor or whatever but those parents were NOT ripped apart by the tabloid media.

In the case of Lisa, I often think of where else is there to search. And then I drive to and from the airports and casinos and see areas that could be searched.......would there be people actively searching for Lisa if her parents were leading searches?

Broadcasting her face could cause the perpetrators to have guilt and maybe confess. Or at least someone close to them to turn them in.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Elizabeth Smart walked around SLC and even attended a house party and no one batted an eye. Granted, she was somewhat covered, but for all the media exposure, not one person questioned that someone around the same age as her was being paraded around by two whackadoos.

 

[DeAnn]

Elizabeth Smart walked around SLC and even attended a house party and no one batted an eye. Granted, she was somewhat covered, but for all the media exposure, not one person questioned that someone around the same age as her was being paraded around by two whackadoos.

Every news report I have read or find says a day after America's Most Wanted did a piece on the sketch based on the sister's description says a biker recognized Elizabeth and contacted authorities.

What you say is partially true. Some people didn't recognize her. But one person did and that person did because of a piece on America's Most Wanted. Publicity. Media. Safe return. So yes all that media exposure and one person did question. And ultimately that one person and alert officers is all it took for Elizabeth to be freed.

 

[OEJ]

I wouldn't even consider refusing media attention for a missing baby case. If Lisa is alive, the window of opportunity is closing. She already looks different than she did six months ago.

 

[lil momma]

My question is why stop talking to the media, who can plaster your missing child's face all over the place locally, but then to go onto a "talk show"? Granted, National TV is great, BUT DrPhil?

ALL JMO

 

[vlpate]

Here in SD a woman, Catherine Tornquist, went missing a few days after Lisa. There was just a search for Catherine the weekend before Easter. Her family has hired a PI, as well, and are considering the event a 'family matter' and wish to be low key. I can understand that DB and JI don't want to deal with a media circus. IDM has told us that the press was intrusive and we all saw Edith's hystrionics on the lawn. Don't misinterpret not wanting a media frenzy in the neighborhood again for not wanting to find their daughter. There are too many unknowns in this case and certain unsavorys who got out of Dodge awfully fast, except jersey, we know where he is.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152693&highlight=tornquist

I don't know how a missing 54 yr. old woman's search and the search for a 10 month old baby could possibly compare. The baby is absolutely helpless and can in no way speak for herself or try to escape. How does the mother of this precious baby sit month after month, not lifting a finger to find her daughter? DB & JI hired a security guard to help find their daughter - who lives in NY. :waitasec:

 

[leanaí]

When I first saw DB on the news I thought she looked like she wanted all this attention and had purposefully set up her baby to be stolen so she could get it and that soon her baby would be found alive and well and she would have gotten her 15 minutes of fame.

I also thought at one point, given they had money problems, that they sold Lisa.

I hadn't thought about these things for a while but thought I would mention them.

DB is involved with what ever happened to Lisa, there is no doubt in my mind about that.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

When I first saw DB on the news I thought she looked like she wanted all this attention and had purposefully set up her baby to be stolen so she could get it and that soon her baby would be found alive and well and she would have gotten her 15 minutes of fame.

I also thought at one point, given they had money problems, that they sold Lisa.

I hadn't thought about these things for a while but thought I would mention them.

DB is involved with what ever happened to Lisa, there is no doubt in my mind about that.

:seeya: I totally agree !

When I first saw DB on the news, my "radar" went through the roof ! And it is still going through the roof !

It has been over 6 months now and nothing ... nada ... zip ...

JMO ... but the only "break" about what really happened is for LE to get Jeremy to "break" ... Deb won't ...

All JMO and MOO

 

[TxLady2]

Steve Young did not want to publicly get into a pissing contest with the Star reporter. I understand that and I don't blame him.

He didn't say those exact words (no evidence) and it was not an exact quote in the Star article. He didn't say those exact words to me when I pointed out there is evidence (the X box on the search warrant, the cadaver dog hit etc etc). You can see what he said exactly in the story in response to my question. I quoted him and ran the quote past him before I published just to make sure it was 100 percent accurate.


Steve Young has not told me this but I understand from others that there was an internal debate about turning the case over to homicide or murder squad detectives. But the decision was made to keep the case with the Crimes Against Detectives Children.

I'm glad the baby Lisa case is getting attention on the six-month mark. We all just want answers.

The X in the box on the SW application doesn't equal evidence. It just gives them an okay to look for a dead body. They didn't find one, obviously, so that X means diddly. The cadaver dog hit... one hit that probably was not backed up with other dogs... is not enough evidence, either. So technically, they cannot classify it as a homicide without solid evidence. Doesn't matter how Young said it, or the reporter typed it... there is no evidence the baby is dead. Sorry.

 

[TxLady2]

While I understand what you are saying about Tori's mom, if she didn't like public suspicion then why not go to LE and get her named cleared. If DB is innocent then why the heck is she trying to look so guilty? If she knows nothing as to Lisa's whereabouts why tell the world she failed a lie detector? Why continue to read about people trashing you on the Internet and still do nothing to clear your name, if she really cared what people were saying about her and she were innocent then why not submit to interviews? Why not cry to the media to help.

By letting people think you are guilty it is not helping find Lisa, if 75% (just an example) of the population thinks that Lisa is dead and that DB is guilty then the chances of her being found are even slimmer.

I can't fathom having a child kidnapped and allowing the world to think I just don't care. iMO DB and JI simply do not care that Lisa is gone, that is my opinion based on their actions.

Talking to LE is not going to get her name cleared, it's not that simple. I'm pretty sure DB is following her attorney's advice, and all defense attorneys tell their clients to keep quiet because if you're a suspect, the less you say in public, the better off you are.
LE is trying to use scare tactics. They want her to come in and sit down in an interrogation room under a bright light, without her attorney so that THEY are in control. They're perfectly free to go to her house and sit down and talk with her in her own living room, but they won't do it that way because they want to intimidate her, and scare her into making a confession. Her attorney will never agree to that.
As far as public opinion, DB has no control over what the public thinks about her. At this point even if she went to the station every day and was questioned all day and into the night, it would not change people's opinions. Most already made up their minds the first week that she was guilty anyway.
I can certainly understand your point, and I don't necessarily disagree with you. Just saying that some people just can't take the pressure that comes with these cases, and that's exactly what LE is hoping, that she will crack if they put enough pressure on her.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think one hit is enough evidence. Why wouldn't it be?

 

[TxLady2]

:seeya: I totally agree !

When I first saw DB on the news, my "radar" went through the roof ! And it is still going through the roof !

It has been over 6 months now and nothing ... nada ... zip ...

JMO ... but the only "break" about what really happened is for LE to get Jeremy to "break" ... Deb won't ...

All JMO and MOO

With all due respect, I don't see how anyone could make up their minds the very first time they see her on t.v. What exactly set your radar off? Or did you see a different interview than I did? IIRC, Deb was crying, barely able to speak and appeared to be no different than other moms whose child has disappeared... how exactly was that enough to declare her guilty of disappearing her child?? I'm not trying to be snarky, I am just curious, because if you were a juror, you're willing to convict her without one shred of real evidence and that is scary as he77 to me!!!
Sorry if this comes across as rude... I don't mean it that way, I'm just stunned at the concept of making up one's mind so quickly.

 

[redheadedgal]

... there is no evidence the baby is dead. Sorry.

food for thought: there was at least one cadaver dog hit @

-- the anthony home (caylee's remains found; not taken by "Zanny" as alleged)
-- lauryn dickens' home (mother convicted of 2nd; child not given to sitter as alleged; still missing)
-- bianca jones' home (father charged with murder; child not taken by carjacker as alleged; still missing)

They want her to come in and sit down in an interrogation room under a bright light, without her attorney so that THEY are in control.

can you provide a link where LE clearly states that they want to interview her without an attorney present?

hearing it from the DT? not credible imo.

... because if you were a juror, you're willing to convict her without one shred of real evidence and that is scary as he77 to me!!!

your assertion is unreasonable: dog.gone.cute (and others who hold the same opinion) wouldn't be accepted as a juror since she already has an opinion about what happened to lisa and who is responsible

... I'm just stunned at the concept of making up one's mind so quickly.

i know people who watched susan smith on tv those first days and "knew" she was lying... turned out she was !

 

[melissasmom]

Snipped to respond to part of this post. My responses in red.

food for thought: there was at least one cadaver dog hit @

-- the anthony home (caylee's remains found; not taken by "Zanny" as alleged)
There were at least TWO hits in this case (I think there were more, but thats off the top of my head)
-- lauryn dickens' home (mother convicted of 2nd; child not given to sitter as alleged; still missing)
Several dog hits were reported in this case.
-- bianca jones' home (father charged with murder; child not taken by carjacker as alleged; still missing)
LE found, again, SEVERAL hits in this case: the car, home and carseat to name three.


I believe the poster was pointing out the fact there was only ONE dog hit in this case. And yes, I realize there COULD be more to back up this one hit, but we the public have no such knowledge.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I don't know how a missing 54 yr. old woman's search and the search for a 10 month old baby could possibly compare. The baby is absolutely helpless and can in no way speak for herself or try to escape. How does the mother of this precious baby sit month after month, not lifting a finger to find her daughter? DB & JI hired a security guard to help find their daughter - who lives in NY. :waitasec:

It's about perspective, depends on a POV.

As for a PI in NY; travel to other parts of the country is an option; it is the experience, not the location.

 

[4Jacy]

With all due respect, I don't see how anyone could make up their minds the very first time they see her on t.v. What exactly set your radar off? Or did you see a different interview than I did? IIRC, Deb was crying, barely able to speak and appeared to be no different than other moms whose child has disappeared... how exactly was that enough to declare her guilty of disappearing her child?? I'm not trying to be snarky, I am just curious, because if you were a juror, you're willing to convict her without one shred of real evidence and that is scary as he77 to me!!!
Sorry if this comes across as rude... I don't mean it that way, I'm just stunned at the concept of making up one's mind so quickly.

When I first heard the Susan Smith story and saw/heard her, I knew immediately she was guilty. Some people can really just read other people, although I have been wrong in the past.

 

[Gardenlady]

It's a darn good thing that we don't pick jurors based on their ability to "read" people. hoh:

 

[4Jacy]

It's a darn good thing that we don't pick jurors based on their ability to "read" people. hoh:

Actually, we do. Both defense/prosecutors study not only the written reports, but also the facial, vocal and mannerisms of those to be chosen for jury duty. Of course, sometimes it's wrong, just look at the Casey Anthony verdict.

 

[Gardenlady]

I meant the jurors, not jury selection experts.

We pick jurors based hopefully on their ability to look at facts, not on some perceived ability to "read" the defendant or victims.

I hope if I am ever on trial, that my jurors examine e facts, the evidence, and do so in a logical way; not try to "read" me based on my facial expressions or emotions, aura, or other hoodoo.

 

[redheadedgal]

I believe the poster was pointing out the fact there was only ONE dog hit in this case. And yes, I realize there COULD be more to back up this one hit, but we the public have no such knowledge.

the point i was trying to make was that if a cadaver dogs hits at all at one the homes/vehicles where a baby has been said to be "kidnapped" or "carjacked", it's most likely for one reason and one reason only (as evidenced by the cases i linked) -- which is why i quoted her statement that "... there is no evidence the baby is dead. Sorry."