Lloyd Welch is Person of Interest

[Motherof5]

How do you KNOW the crime took place in 2 states and they were brought here? Do you have proof of that?

Now how on earth would I KNOW? I'm simply going by what LE has stated their beliefs are after looking at whatever evidence they have gathered thus far. I actually believe that LE knows more than we do. Call me crazy.


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[Motherof5]

Are we certain that Richard "Dick"Welch or nephew, Lloyd Welch (aka Michael Welch) have not been questioned yet by the Grand Jury? Is there a way to find out the names of people that have been brought before the grand jury at this point?

I wish I knew the answer to that.


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[Motherof5]

Grand Jury Procedures - some comments

It should be mentioned that in a Grand Jury hearing, it is only the prosecutors who present evidence. Nothing has to be presented which would tend to show that a person is innocent, or that there might be mitigating circumstances, or other possible perpetrators or scenarios. It is a one sided show.

There is no presentation from any defense attorneys. Persons identified as potential suspects have no right to address the Grand Jury or to present any evidence. They could be brought before a Grand Jury by the prosecutor, but would only be allowed to answer questions presented to them. Alternatively, they could invoke the fifth amendment of the US Constitution and refuse to answer a question on the grounds that it could incriminate them. Depending on the circumstances, a person subpoened as a witness to testify before a grand jury would be placed under oath, but might not be advised of their Miranda Rights until after they testify and prosecutors decide to charge them with something.

In this case, prosecutors have chosen to keep all procedings of the Grand Jury secret. No evidence or information has yet been made public regarding the Welch family and their alleged connection to the disappearance of the Lyon Sisters. This declared secrecy has not, however, seemed to keep Montgomery County Police officials from making derogatory statements about the Welch Family as seen in a recent Washington Post Article:

Quote “It’s frustrating the lengths to which this family goes to keep us from the truth,” Capt. Darren Francke, commander of the Montgomery County Police Department’s major crimes unit, said Saturday. Unquote.

They (MCP and prosecutors) have essentially branded that family as liars and obstructors of justice without stating any facts or presenting any evidence as to what they were allegedly lying about or covering up. MCP has named two Persons of Interest: Lloyd Welch in February and Richard Welch in October of this year, but they have not to date presented a single bit of evidence to the public as to the reasons for declarations.

While Patricia Welch could be subpoenaed as a witness before this Grand Jury, she could not be compelled to testify against her husband, Richard Welch, should he be charged and brought to trial for any crime. By charging her with perjury, prosecutors have pretty much written her off as a witness in any future trials.

It will certainly be interesting to see what recommendations will come out of this Grand Jury regarding charges and evidence.

The most important part of the above BBM is that LE hasn't presented their evidence/facts to public. Very true but in reality...they don't have to...not yet. LE didn't brand this family as liars,they have done that to themselves,Patricia Welch for starters. When you lie to LE and the Grand Jury...that does in fact make you a liar. LE mentions the lengths this family will go to in order to keep LE from the truth. Who would know that better than LE,the ones with the evidence? It's important,at least for me,to remember that LE hasn't told us the entire story yet and they don't have to,right now. If this family has nothing to hide,they wouldn't be telling lies. My sympathy is all for the Lyon family and not for anyone that keeps them from finding out what happened to their daughters. They have waited long enough.

 

[isilverbell]

From reporter Angela Hatcher for WSET - ABC News....looks like Patricia Welch is lawyering up.

Bedford, VA – A Maryland woman facing a felony perjury charge is expected to be back in Bedford County court in February with the attorney she hired.

Patricia Welch retained Roanoke attorney J. Emmette Pilgreen, according to General District Court records. Welch's preliminary hearing is set for February 4. Since she hired an attorney an advisement hearing scheduled for Thursday has been canceled.

Welch is accused of lying to the grand jury investigating the 1975 disappearance of the Lyon sisters. Welch's husband Richard "Dick" Welch and nephew Lloyd Welch, Jr. are persons of interest in that case.

The grand jury meets again on Friday.

http://www.wset.com/story/27764157/md-woman-arrested-for-perjury-hires-local-attorney

 

[beachlvr0810]

I am still not convinced that those children are on the mountain. The mountain has always been full of hunters and dogs and someone would have noticed something. And even if they were buried on the land, how would the Welches in Maryland know that all those neighbors on the mountain, hours away in Virginia wouldn't see them bringing in the bodies? At the time the girls disappeared, that neighborhood was full of families with kids who spent their days and evenings playing with cousins, even playing up in the woods where they were searching back in September. People sat out on their porches, visited neighbors, planted and worked in their gardens so how would the Welches get those girls up on that land without being noticed by somebody? I understand it's hard for people who have never lived here or been here to understand what I'm trying to describe but I've been here all my life and even though the mountain itself is remote, that particular area was not so remote that no one would have noticed the Welches coming in from Maryland and burying 2 children. How would they time it just right so that every house they had to pass going up that mountain would be empty? And even if you say they could have done it at night, there were people who worked on jobs in Bedford that would have them coming home at different hours.

 

[TallCoolOne]

The thing is, there are crimes committed everyday whereas someone could have or should have seen or heard something out of the ordinary yet nobody comes forward. The fact that no one seemed to see anything does not indicate that nothing took place in my opinion. There is a reason LE has been searching this area, hopefully sometime soon we will know why that is.

 

[Historydetective63]

About a month ago, the Bedford County Police asked for the public's help regarding the station wagon, which acording to LE, was seen in/around Bedford County around the time of the Lyon sisters' disappearance in the spring of 1975. That tells me, someone in that area saw something, and remembered something. The Lyon sisters' disappearance on March 25 1975 was a huge story in the Washington, DC metropolitan area, but I find it surprising that it seems as if hardly anyone up on Taylor Mountain was aware of the incident at that time (in 1975). Is that true? Perhaps Beachlvr0810 could comment on this observation.

 

[TedMac]

I've read most of these posts concerning this case and one question keeps coming back to me...What transpired or happened that made Lloyd Welch a POI in this case? For almost 39 years, his name was not mentioned in the investigation. At least two POI were named and later cleared. Did someone start talking? Did some type of new evidence come to light? I know whatever it was, it started the digging process in Bedford Co. VA. Any and all help on this subject is greatly appreciated.

 

[simplifymylife2014]

I've read most of these posts concerning this case and one question keeps coming back to me...What transpired or happened that made Lloyd Welch a POI in this case? For almost 39 years, his name was not mentioned in the investigation. At least two POI were named and later cleared. Did someone start talking? Did some type of new evidence come to light? I know whatever it was, it started the digging process in Bedford Co. VA. Any and all help on this subject is greatly
appreciated.

My current thoughts on this is that there WAS SO MUCH going on at the same time in 1975, with so many leads and info coming in and the TRM sketch, that I think it got put at the bottom of the pile so to speak, until years later, when LLW accumulated a history of crimes.
It was at that time I think they looked closer at him and connnected the old sketch of LHM to him.

As to Bedford County, a news report stated that LLW placed 2 of her (one of LLW's relatives)uncles at the scene.
Perhaps from that, Richard Welch, Sr. was discovered as one of the uncles and that he owned property in Bedford, VA.

It seems at that time the case moved into Bedford, VA as well.

At this time, I am now thinking that another relative--may have led LE to the wrong area and KNEW it was NOT going to lead to them finding the bodies of Sheila and Katherine.
Perhaps this could all tie into the perjury to the grand jury??

 

[AAWJ]

When they release LLW names they also release his background and criminal history. When they release RAWsr name we really got nothing about him. He may have worked in Wheaton. He may have worked as a security guard in Wheaton. No background or criminal history why?

I am also lost on the perjury charge too.

 

[Historydetective63]

I believe RAW has no criminal background history, in other words, he was never charged/convicted of any crimes to create a criminal history. But, I am still wondering if LE has been able to identify where exactly RAW worked as a security guard in the 1970's. I mentioned my theory in another post, that it may have been at a bank or credit union in Wheaton, Maryland. Banks back then closed at 2 pm. If RAW's work day ended at 2 pm that could allow him to be at Wheaton Plaza on a weekday in the afternoon and still dressed in his security guard uniform. Remember, the Lyon sisters' disappeared (were abducted) on a weekday (Tuesday) most likely between the hours of 1-4 pm.

 

[AAWJ]

I understand no criminal history but no background at all. I mean we knew LLW worked on the road and even where he lived but nothing on RAW.

 

[Richard]

I understand no criminal history but no background at all. I mean we knew LLW worked on the road and even where he lived but nothing on RAW.

Richard "Dick" Welch has resided continuously in Hyattsville, Maryland since before 1974.

Maryland has Judiciary Records on line where you can look up anyone by name and see any Criminal or Civil Court proceedings that the person was involved with (could be as a defendant, plaintiff, bail bondsman, attorney, Judge, etc.) These records go back to the early 1990's or earlier if a court case was still pending from earlier years.

That is why some have stated that Richard Welch has no prior criminal history (in Maryland).

As to Richard Welch's prior employment history, it is most likely that LE has that information with the FBI being involved in the case. IRS records would show where he worked and who paid him. The most likely reason that his employment history was not released by LE is that they did not need assistance from the general public in that regard. Lloyd Welch, on the other hand, was a drifter who was often unemployed, or worked jobs around the country and LE needed to know more about him and his travels. Thus the release of information about his known travels, addresses, jobs, etc.

Lloyd's Maryland judicial record can be seen at the above mentioned internet site. He is also known to have had criminal charges and convictions in other states between 1975 and the time of his Delaware prison sentence in the late 1990's.

 

[Richard]

I should also have mentioned that because Lloyd Welch is a convicted felon currently in prison, releasing personal information about him such as employment, addresses, previous offenses, legal problems, etc is not a privacy problem.

Richard Welch has no criminal record and is not formally charged with anything. Therefor his personal information such as addresses, family, employment records, etc are privacy matters to consider. If MCP or anyone were to release such information, or if statements about his assumed "guilt" were to be released, he would have a valid case against the state for defamation of character, invasion of privacy, etc.

These matters are certainly of interest to Law Enforcement officials investigating the case, but not something that they should be announcing to the public at this time - unless they have a compelling reason to do so.

 

[Historydetective63]

I am still not convinced that those children are on the mountain. The mountain has always been full of hunters and dogs and someone would have noticed something. And even if they were buried on the land, how would the Welches in Maryland know that all those neighbors on the mountain, hours away in Virginia wouldn't see them bringing in the bodies? At the time the girls disappeared, that neighborhood was full of families with kids who spent their days and evenings playing with cousins, even playing up in the woods where they were searching back in September. People sat out on their porches, visited neighbors, planted and worked in their gardens so how would the Welches get those girls up on that land without being noticed by somebody? I understand it's hard for people who have never lived here or been here to understand what I'm trying to describe but I've been here all my life and even though the mountain itself is remote, that particular area was not so remote that no one would have noticed the Welches coming in from Maryland and burying 2 children. How would they time it just right so that every house they had to pass going up that mountain would be empty? And even if you say they could have done it at night, there were people who worked on jobs in Bedford that would have them coming home at different hours.

On most weekdays, children are in theirs schools, and most able bodied adults are at their jobs. Many things could go unnoticed, especially on a weekday when most adults and children are not at home, or sitting on the porch, or playing in the woods.

I remember back in September when LE was conducting the search up on the mountain it was reported that they were searching a piece of ground on that property where a trailer used to stand. Since you have lived there all your life, do you or your older relatives remember the existence of a trailer on that property? If you don't mind me asking, how old were you in 1975? Thank you in advance for any info or insights you could provide.

 

[beachlvr0810]

There will be a news conference held this coming Monday at 10 a.m. at the Thaxton Baptist Church

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/lyn...news-conference-on-lyon-sisters-case/30619750

 

[beachlvr0810]

On most weekdays, children are in theirs schools, and most able bodied adults are at their jobs. Many things could go unnoticed, especially on a weekday when most adults and children are not at home, or sitting on the porch, or playing in the woods.

I remember back in September when LE was conducting the search up on the mountain it was reported that they were searching a piece of ground on that property where a trailer used to stand. Since you have lived there all your life, do you or your older relatives remember the existence of a trailer on that property? If you don't mind me asking, how old were you in 1975? Thank you in advance for any info or insights you could provide.

I don't mind you asking at all...I was 14 years old back in 1975 (I'll be 54 years old on Monday). And yes, there was a trailer that sat beside the house where they were searching. The house on the property had belonged to Allen Parker and his wife Lizzie Welch Parker. One of their sons had lived in that trailer beside their house. Allen Parker was my cousin.

 

[Fukiyama]

I'm of the opinion that MCP finally came up with something due to the release of the LHM sketch the November before. Someone, whether family or someone who knew LLW pointed MCP in that direction. I would guess that if no one had brought the LHM sketch out of the case file, we'd still be sitting here discussing TRM and tan station wagons.

 

[Historydetective63]

I'm of the opinion that MCP finally came up with something due to the release of the LHM sketch the November before. Someone, whether family or someone who knew LLW pointed MCP in that direction. I would guess that if no one had brought the LHM sketch out of the case file, we'd still be sitting here discussing TRM and tan station wagons.

I think you're right. When they released the LHM sketch someone probably recognized LLW, from there they checked his criminal background and things probably escalated from there to where we are today with this case. I only wished MCP had released the LHM sketch in 1975!

 

[Historydetective63]

I don't mind you asking at all...I was 14 years old back in 1975 (I'll be 54 years old on Monday). And yes, there was a trailer that sat beside the house where they were searching. The house on the property had belonged to Allen Parker and his wife Lizzie Welch Parker. One of their sons had lived in that trailer beside their house. Allen Parker was my cousin.

Thanks for the info regarding the existence of a trailer on the property LE searched last September on the mountain. From your own knowledge and memory, when was that trailer first put on the property, how many years did it remain, and when and why was it removed? When it finally was removed, was it sold to someone else, or was it taken to a scrap yard/junk yard? Also, did you ever play around the trailer or remember ever going inside of it? Sorry if this sounds like a lot of questions, but I just keep thinking about that trailer and would like to know more.