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Afternoon session con’t. Juan Martinez questioning Dr. Samuels after juror questions.
Q: Did you say you felt raw data for PTSD test could not be understood by lawyers?
Objection. Approach.
Q: Let’s look at raw data associated with test. Do you recognize Ex. 550 as that raw data? Yes.
Q: Request to admit Ex. 550.
DT: May we approach?
Ex. 550 is admitted.
Q: Let’s look at data and worksheet. Compare to other data [Ex. 535?]; it is different: score of 17 vs. 15. Is that a change? Yes. . . I saw no reason to readminister the test . . . I misplaced work sheet . . . I restored scores but both scores meet criteria.
Q: Did you tell us you misplaced the test? No
Q: If this other story was known would the scores be the same? Yes.
Q: You gave her a book because you are a compassionate man? Perhaps.
Q: Are compassion and sympathy the same thing? Let’s check dictionary [Ex. 551]. Do you see “compassion”? Yes.
Q: Doesn’t it say that compassion can be sympathy? Yes.
Q: Do you have different definition than Webster? I will go with Webster.
Q: You gave the book after the first meeting? Yes . . . first meeting lasted two to three hours. . . the date was 12/16/09.
DT: May we approach?
Ex. 551, Webster Dictionary definitions, admitted.
Q: The definition reads “with desire to alleviate distress.” That is therapeutic, isn’t it? There was no therapy. . . I am not biased.
Q: That 35 years of training teaches you to omit things from reports? I did not have training as a typist.
Q: But you released this diagnosis, didn’t you? Yes. . . I reviewed the report and realized I left out some letters and numbers.
Q: Did anything prevent you from reviewing it [before you submitted it]? No.
Q: Shouldn’t you have been very careful? Yes, but I missed this. I failed in my accuracy.
 
This is probably my imagination werkin' overtime, BUT....a couple of days ago at the end of day, the court evidence deputy was wandering around the courtroom <IMO> looking for a piece of unaccounted for evidence. AND, at the end of court yesterday Judge Stephens asked/reminded Dr Samuels to check his files for something <can't remember what exactly>...but I'm wondering if he slipped something in his paperwork.....


Gotta go back and see what Judge Stephens said to him....

Now you have planted that seed in my mind :floorlaugh:

Hope juan shows everyone who he really is.

There is no way in he!! This is/was an impartial evaluation

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In the interview with Flores she says, "If I were in AZ wouldn't there be traffic light surveillance pictures?"

Flores bluffed her by saying the neighbors seen her, that's when she gave away about dying her hair since she been there last or very recently. And having a rental car for Utah trip, hello.
 
I'm way behind and catching up. I was diagnosed with PTSD 13 years ago after an experience at my job. There was no violence involved. I didn't take a test for it, I just spent 7 years with a LCSW in therapy. She diagnosed me without bothering with a test.

What we were never able to figure out was when the PTSD started. It turned out I was excellent at dealing with all the stress I had most of my life. What started it? Who knows, but my later-in-life experience made it so much worse. I was essentially non-functional for quite a while.

I went to this link, http://www.healthyplace.com/psychological-tests/ptsd-test/ and took the test. I scored a 17. I based my answers on how I was doing about 8 months after the latest event. The scoring was:

PTSD Test Scoring:
•1-3: (few symptoms of PTSD)
•4-9: (PTSD likely)
•10+: (You display many symptoms of PTSD)

I then took the test again, answering how I feel 13 years later. I scored a 13.

Thank goodness for excellent medication! It will never go away, but I live the very best life I can and get to spend all the time I want here at WS.

As far as Jodi is concerned, I'm not sure if she ever truly suffered from PTSD. If she is indeed a psychopath, borderline (even unspecified), she may not have the capacity to feel all the emotions and stress necessary to induce PTSD. If she does, it was the fact that the murder ended up being a bloody massacre that caused it, along with the clean-up/cover-up she never considered.

I've always contended that the knife would to the vena cava and puncture of the lung was the first hit. It would have given time for Travis to react and receive defensive wounds. It would have allowed him a few seconds to go to the sink and cough up blood. After that, he was down on his knees and attempting to crawl to safety.

That's what made my hinkey meter go off into the red zone that this dr. seems to be obfuscating about the test results. If the test were on the up-and-up, why would he not properly administer it? Why not have the most important papers in his possession when he went to court?

I've seen many defense mental experts on the stand. I have only seen one with a worse presentation, professionally speaking.

Did anyone see the Cody Posey trial? Sarah Grisham, the prosecutor wanted to prove that 16-year-old Cody was a psychopath. (Note, professional guidelines don't allow for anyone under 18 can be legally diagnosed as such.) She called a local (New Mexico), down-on-his luck psychologist by the name of Juan Sosa. When asked a legitimate question by the prosecutor, he added this little tidbit: He could diagnose a baby as being a psychopath by the way he cried!
 
I wonder if his reports are always favorable to the client or defendant. And how many pedophiles/rapists have walked since he seems to know Nurmi so well.
Regaring Samuels
http://svpexpertwitness.com/evaluations.asp
An extensive evaluation of the respondent, in depth case analysis and research contributes to a succinct report which often will result in a more favorable outcome for your client. His clear and strong testimony in support of the report can help to educate juries and judges.
 
I wonder if his reports are always favorable to the client or defendant. And how many pedophiles/rapists have walked since he seems to know Nurmi so well.

Well if they're not favourable he would be falsely advertising on his website. Does he have a history with Nurmi, or was this just speculation around here because of their similar 'expertise'.

I don't want to see him 'successful' on the stand, or appear credible to the jury. However, I still understand his reactions, as opposed to Jodi's.
 
And I would love to hear the full truth from Darryl B. I think he is up to his eyeballs with knowledge on a few issues. My guess is he is somehow needing to protect himself on some things she would surely drag him thru the mud on if he doesn't comply and remain her confidant. He is not directly involved, but he knows more than he is willing to say. He didn't want his face shown on camera (the only person so far) and seems to really want to stay on the down low. The DVD remote has me intrigued, as well as time she spent at his house and the gas cans. Remember too that Travis is the one that 'stole' Jodi from him in the first place, so to speak.. A little bitter too perhaps? He seems very attentive to his son, moving wherever his ex moved to be nearer to him. He doesn't want to be drug thru the mud in front of his son as well. (Who would, but...) I still think he is keeping secrets for several reasons.
Jodi was scraping for cash for this road trip. Let's just say even if she only got 30 bucks for the DVD player, it would help. Let's say Darryl bought it from her to help her out (not knowing she stole it), maybe for a spare for his son's room or something. The implications of that would bag her. The stolen gun from Grandpa would be confirmed as well. That is a big secret that he may be holding for her. I really think this may be the case. Of course the DVD player would be long gone by now!

She would have to have something very big on him for him to withhold information in court in a murder trial. When JM was first questioning him about her coming back, he claimed he didn't even remember it!
 
I'm not feeling well so I watched today's testimony archived on Youtube. Here are some observations I made:

Some of the juror questions make me believe that there are jurors who are buying the BS Gus Jr. is selling, and it aint a prepaid legal card.

Some of the juror questions make me believe that there are jurors who have Jodi nailed as exactly what she is.

Those two thoughts lead me to believe that it will be a lengthy deliberation.

I think some jurors believe that he deliberately changed the numbers on Jodi's tests and others don't. One thing that bothers me is that JM never mentioned whether it made the score better or worse for Jodi.

I think the defense did a much better job of rehabilitating Gus Jr. with the jury questions and Wilmotts recross. JM did his usual good job of cross, but I don't think he did much new damage. He does however have three days to prepare some more questions.

I've heard that Gus Jr. sent Jodi greeting cards, but I don't recall that ever being said. I think it would have come up in jury questions. Does anyone have a link to it?

Personally, I think that Gus Jr. fell under the spell that JA seems to have over men for a little while. I think he tailored some of her tests in order to make her look better.

All JMO

I don't have the link but Juan wasn't allowed to bring up the greeting cards because Doc sent them to her when she was "suicidal" over Nurmi wanting to quit the DT. Attorney/client privilege according to Nurmi. Appeal issue
 
Regaring Samuels
http://svpexpertwitness.com/evaluations.asp
An extensive evaluation of the respondent, in depth case analysis and research contributes to a succinct report which often will result in a more favorable outcome for your client. His clear and strong testimony in support of the report can help to educate juries and judges.

Ok I read that url as sexpert :floorlaugh:

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I don't feel sorry for Dos Samuels at all.

He clearly was not prepared and did he think Juan is an idiot?

His CV also says he's training to treat sexual abusers.

What is with this DT? Nurmi defends pedos, Samuels treats pedos?


Im just catching up on yesterday's proceedings, watching Juan question Samuels. He pulls no punches -- which is appropriate.

I can't help feeling a teensy bit sorry for the doc..ie. I feel "compassion," according to Webster :lol:
 
I have a question for our mental health professionals out there. When JM was arguing the difference in the PDS test scores between what was provided through discovery, and what the good Dr. pulled out of his hat (azz) for the trial, the good doctor said that a couple of points didn't make a difference in the result. Is this the same test that he fudged certain sections on? The one where she had to meet "3 of section C", or "2 of section B" or whatever and he conveniently "found" those typographical errors he missed before lol? If he fudged the numbers in that way wouldn't that make a huge difference in the results?

I think I know where JM is going with this cross. The good Dr. will be slinking away to find a new address, and perhaps contemplate a new career move. :giggle:

It's the test he gave that was designed for diagnosed Psychiatric patients and he justified that because he entered the room with a hypothesis. JA then flunked with a 69/100 when a 75/100 was needed. Again the hypothesis he pre-supposed drove him to conclude based on his clinical judgment, that she had PTSD.
 
anagrammy - this is a very interesting post. Can you point to a link for the info I bolded? I've never seen that evidence before.

Hi Princess - I remembered that factoid from the blood spatter expert who testified. Can't remember his name (or any names, truth be known....).

If you walk through the crime looking at the age of blood, it makes a difference. I have changed my mind on gun first / gun last scenario because of the age of the blood issue. Originally I accepted one poster's explanation that the bullet was kicked around in the scuffle so it being on top or on the bottom didn't matter. After focusing on blood age and timeline, it becomes obvious that whether kicked or fallen, the spent cartridge MUST have landed on congealed blood or it would have had blood inside.
 
BBM


Yes, he did say that she fit the criteria for personality disorders. I don't remember the exact verbiage he used. But basically, yes she did and no he did not know what they were.

A great WS wrote a great reply to me regarding personaility disorders that I am going to go back and reread if I can find it in one of these threads. Basically it was about the personality disorders are different that mental disorders or something along those lines.

Samuels testified that he diagnosed her with "Personality Disorder Not Otherwise Specified" (a DSM-IV diagnosis). This means she didn't fit the criteria in the DSM-IV for the other personality disorders such as Histrionic, Anti-Social, Narcissistic, Borderline, but she had features from some of several of those.
I suspect the prosecution's expert will go into this personality disorder in more depth if allowed. If you watch Samuel's response to the juror's question about this, he rushes through is answer and says it in a kind of off-hand way as if it isn't really important - which means it IS important!
 
What will the closing argument by JM be like? Will he go through all the evidence?How long does closing argument for each side last? Thanks.
 
Well if they're not favourable he would be falsely advertising on his website. Does he have a history with Nurmi, or was this just speculation around here because of their similar 'expertise'.

I don't want to see him 'successful' on the stand, or appear credible to the jury. However, I still understand his reactions, as opposed to Jodi's.

My guess is yes based on:

Dr. Samuels specializes in Sexually Violent Perpetrator evaluations, Psychosexual Risk Assessments, Sexual Harassment and Gender Discrimination Matters for Defendants and Emotional Trauma from Medical Malpractice for Defendants and Plaintiffs.
 
Jodi's lack of remorse, and her claims about Travis keep me awake at night.
Can I ask you all- do you think Jodi wishes this had never happened, that she could turn back time, if only because she was caught, and now has to face the consequences?

No, if she wants to turn back the time it would only be to cover it up better
 
I have wondered that too. I have also wondered if the KY (and water) could've been used to help make the floor slick so she could drag him and that that might explain why there is a relatively "clean" area down the middle of the hallway.

I have wondered about the "clean" trail down the hallway too. Like there was a runner carpet there or something because you can see lines of blood on either side. IDK but something was there or done to make it look like that. Blood lines are too straight.
 
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