Like the Queen in "Snow White" when she found out she wasn't fairest in the land.
Exactly what I was wondering.
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Like the Queen in "Snow White" when she found out she wasn't fairest in the land.
Exactly what I was wondering.
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But with PR's asking JR about any brusies on JonBenet's arms suggest that it was important for an open casket to play her part as a poor grieving Mom...For her,she wanting everyone to see JonBenet forever young and beautiful...Let's not forget she tried to look like Jackie O....
Wonderful.
Like I said, Ravyn: isn't it convenient that all of JB's injuries were easily concealed by the undertaker?
I guess the ligature furrow and petechia were easily covered up with that Everlast funerary make-up. There was no head bash visible, no swelling, so Patsy could place that tiara on those perfect, dyed blonde curls. As far as I know, there was only a small shoulder bruise which a dress would have covered anyway, and some small abrasions on the back of her legs, which would not show in an open coffin. And let's not forget her father put a scarf around her neck, just in case anyone noticed the strangulation evidence.
Over on another thread, HOTYH suggested that such a bizarre crime could not have a common cause. Well, that's my point: PR wanted a bizarre crime scene because a common death would not have, A, given JB such a spectacular send-off; and B, would not have garnered so much attention. JB couldn't make her famous alive, but she sure did dead.
Incidentally, this is not a new idea. Some people just have trouble believing that spectacular people can die in mundane ways. One the best examples I can think of is Bruce Lee, the legendary actor/philosopher.
Incidentally, this is not a new idea. Some people just have trouble believing that spectacular people can die in mundane ways. One the best examples I can think of is Bruce Lee, the legendary actor/philosopher.
I started this thread and the ones titled "No Honor Among Thieves" and "Ask Super" in the hope of answering some of the questions that occasionally get asked, most notably the ones about "if it was an accident, why would they do all of this?"
Well, our new friend WHITEFANG probably hasn't read them yet.
The human instinct for survival is extremely powerful, WHITEFANG. I myself never cease to be amazed at what humans are capable of when they abandon dignity. But that's not even my argument. I'm suggesting that all of this was, in an extremely twisted way, an act of love.
Oh, so it's all the media's fault? Like I haven't heard that one before.
You might get some argument there. Mostly from me.
I'm sorry, but I have a BIG problem with comparing something like this to killing a DOG. Probably comes from the time that JR himself made that comparison. That said, I think it's fine that you can't imagine PR doing this to a dog. Neither can I. I don't NEED to, because we're not talking about a dog. We're talking about a little girl who already had more pressure to succeed than most adults will ever face, all in the name of her mother's ego.
Well, our new friend WHITEFANG probably hasn't read them yet.
The human instinct for survival is extremely powerful, WHITEFANG. I myself never cease to be amazed at what humans are capable of when they abandon dignity. But that's not even my argument. I'm suggesting that all of this was, in an extremely twisted way, an act of love.
Oh, so it's all the media's fault? Like I haven't heard that one before.
You might get some argument there. Mostly from me.
I'm sorry, but I have a BIG problem with comparing something like this to killing a DOG. Probably comes from the time that JR himself made that comparison. That said, I think it's fine that you can't imagine PR doing this to a dog. Neither can I. I don't NEED to, because we're not talking about a dog. We're talking about a little girl who already had more pressure to succeed than most adults will ever face, all in the name of her mother's ego.
why this is perfectly logical and consistent with a person consumed with projecting an image of unmatched beauty and exquisite taste in the finer things of life. she considered carefully the best techniques to kill her daughter. shall i take a hammer and smash her skull into pieces? my, my, my. that would never do. how could she ever be presentable with the open-casket festivities I have been dreaming of lo this many days? well, what if i stabbed her through the heart? too much work to clean up that mess. and i need my beauty rest, too! hey, i could blow my little darling's brains out, shoot her with a bow and arrow, run her over in my car, throw her off a cliff, drown her, bury her alive, burn her in the fireplace (it has been chilly lately). Oh Patsy, you big boob! How can you think such silly thoughts? You need her to look sharp before you cover her with dirt, for ever, when you will see her for the last time.
Oh boy, oh boy. I think I've got it. Rat poison would be perfect! Shucks. That might make her face swell. And we worked so hard to keep her weight down. What if I strangled her? My god, Patsy, you are a genius. Let me go to the library and research that. Sure wouldn't want any unforeseen complications marring her extraordinary visage from choking the little rascal. But, I'm so busy and all. Oh damn you, you little brat. See how you've aged me with all this stress!
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Stilleto through the ear, why didn't she think of that? Is there no lengths this woman will not go to dispose of this troublesome child and still appear sad but serene with a perfect tiny corpse to bury! I think I'm getting it now Whitefang....... Now, where to buy a stilleto.
But with PR's asking JR about any brusies on JonBenet's arms suggest that it was important for an open casket to play her part as a poor grieving Mom...For her,she wanting everyone to see JonBenet forever young and beautiful...Let's not forget she tried to look like Jackie O....
"Jacqueline Kennedy influenced her husband to invite numerous artists in all disciplines to his 1961 inaugural ceremony as a symbol of the new Administration's intended support of the arts. Her appearance in a large pillbox hat for the swearing-in ceremony, however, eclipsed this news and began a popular millinery style." Was there a woman in the U.S. who didn't emulate Mrs. Kennedy?
Also, it is a well known fact that Americans spend only about 3 cents a year on beauty products. We prefer modesty and a plain, natural exterior (o.k. it's true, even a Homely appearance) rather than glamor.
"Jacqueline Kennedy influenced her husband to invite numerous artists in all disciplines to his 1961 inaugural ceremony as a symbol of the new Administration's intended support of the arts. Her appearance in a large pillbox hat for the swearing-in ceremony, however, eclipsed this news and began a popular millinery style." Was there a woman in the U.S. who didn't emulate Mrs. Kennedy?
Also, it is a well known fact that Americans spend only about 3 cents a year on beauty products. We prefer modesty and a plain, natural exterior (o.k. it's true, even a Homely appearance) rather than glamor.
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What on earth are you all going on about? discussing a "soft kill" or whatever. as IF JonBennet's death was something pre-planned? What? Mommy shoved her-HARD bashing her head in on whatever it came into contact with.....then staged a cover-up. She had the bashed-in head to work around.........what's with the speculation about killing her in a manor that didn't Mar her beauty??? I don't get it.
I think you got it. It makes no sense to be willing to murder your daughter and to carry it out within the ridiculous context that she should preserve her stellar appearance! Simply preposterous.
Super Dave, you of all people must know that fiber being "consistent with" and "matching" are two very different things. A bullet might be consistent with the one that inflicted a fatal wound, same caliber, same manufacturer, same lot, same style. This is not the same as "a match," a match to the exclusion of all others.
Super Dave, you of all people must know that fiber being "consistent with" and "matching" are two very different things. A bullet might be consistent with the one that inflicted a fatal wound, same caliber, same manufacturer, same lot, same style. This is not the same as "a match," a match to the exclusion of all others.
NOT FUNNY, Fang.
I'm positive you're not.
I'm afraid nothing exceeds the the human instinct for survival.
You're right about one thing: if it were a premeditated murder, I couldn't see it happening quite this way. I just don't think it was premeditated. Like I said at the beginning, you can look at this as a twisted act of love.
Moreover, it fits in perfectly with her actions before the media. Even Michael Kane said it: "Patsy loves being known as the mother of a dead beauty queen."
You're quite right; I do know. In technical terms, they are different. But in practical terms (and I've asked), it's the same. If someone says consistent with, you're nicked. I actually go to great lengths to explain the fiber analysis process. It's not just a side-by-side microscopic comparison like most people think. It also involves chemical analysis, composition examination, even tracing the garment back to the manufacturer if possible. And that's BEFORE spectrographic analysis.
NO fiber will ever be described any way other than "consistent with". Dr. Henry Lee, when questioned about this case, explained it by saying that a garment may not be the only one in existence, but can be narrowed down greatly by things like dye lots, etc. You have to look at fibers (such as these) in how they relate to where they were found. In this case, a resident of the house where the victim was killed owned a jacket made of the same type of fiber found at the crime scene and also on the body, and the fiber was tested and found to be identical. If the perp had worn an identical jacket to squeeze in the window, we'd find fibers there. (they weren't).
On the other hand, a bullet can be matched perfectly to having been fired by a particular gun. That's why you can say it was a match. With the fibers, the best you can say is "identical to" or "consistent with". That's not just this case. That's any case where fiber analysis is done.
Kinda sick that you seem to relish thinking up the ways JB could have been sick, especially the stiletto part. Seems like you have a "wish list" of your own.
And this isn't funny either.
Interesting point- NO RDI that I am aware of thinks the manner of JB's death is either amusing or fodder for sarcasm.
Yet with some IDI lately, they seem to take a perverse pleasure in describing imagined ways her death occurred.
This is pretty disgusting.
Patsy buried her daughter dressed like the pageant queen Patsy always wanted her to be. That was important to her. I am not saying this is wrong.
She supposedly said to BR, when he saw his sister in her coffin "She looks perfect, doesn't she?"