Perhaps she did it for JonBenet

SuperDave has a credible handle on the theory. Think about it. What does the paintbrush handle allow the wielder of it to do?


Now, who would have motive to poke at JonBenet JUST enough to make it appear she was assaulted, but who would not have enough motive to actually assault her severely as all sadists do?

SuperDave's theory is not dismissable.

I would believe you honestly, but I believe the purpose of the paintbrush was to cause enough damage to hide prior damage. Perhaps the stager was not the abuser and accidentally did not do a good enough job hiding the prior evidence.
 
@DeeDee ah that makes sense thanks for giving me that info..

@wedavis - not sure on the floor scenario you speak of, but one of those links above talks about how Patsy paints and how the prints are slung and how the sister came back the next day AFTER the murder for a painting. Why did Patsy have to have that painting ?
Anyway this person therorised that it was for the fact that is where the cords came from and the duct tape was in her Coat as she passed through all the people outside ( as in patsy when she left the house)

Its in a link above - oh this one - http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/canvas.html

The paint CANS I speak of are not PR's artists' paints. Her oil/acrylic paints were kept in the small tote from which the paint brush used in the crime was taken. The paint cans I am talking about were standard cans of regular house paint, and they had been stored in the wineceller.
Try these links to see what I mean: Here is the paint tote- http://www.acandyrose.com/179paint-tote.jpg
 
@ Dee Dee Yeah I know that ...
Not sure what you are getting at in your post to me by quoting me ? I said thanks for giving me that info and then went on to talk about something else with another poster...

? :)
 
@ Dee Dee Yeah I know that ...
Not sure what you are getting at in your post to me by quoting me ? I said thanks for giving me that info and then went on to talk about something else with another poster...

? :)

I usually always post the quote too, it helps me recall my train of thought. I do it all the time, as do many posters here. Doesn't mean I'm "getting at" anything. It's done simply to make it easier to see what the post is replying to. There is also a time-delay factor- while I go to get the links, other posters probably have posted before me- posts which I hadn't seen yet.
 
I believe in her fiction novel, DOI, she even mentions how the image of Jacquie Kennedy at the funeral of her husband looked in her back veil and admits to wanting that same look. After all, planning your funeral ensemble for world-wide media coverage is SO important.

Patsy will, in no way, compare to Jackie Kennedy. Eva.

BBM
I think the ransom note shows a previous plan <very respectfully snipped for topic>
Patsy suspiciously still had her jacket on,as per the fiber evidence.so was she planning on leaving the house? Just something to think about.

NARRATOR - Smit was dubious about the police view that Patsy Ramsey wrote the note.

LOU SMIT - I know that is the common opinion in the case, however six competent examiners did examine that note and she rated very low on the scale and I can tell you this, there's no way that Patsy Ramsey could have written that note afterwards. If she wrote it before, fine, that way she could think in a very clear and logical way. No way Patsy could have wrote that afterwards, after murdering her daughter. That's for sure.
http://www.jameson245.com/doc2usa.htm

If she wrote it before, fine, that way she could think in a very clear and logical way.

The RN was written in advance, if PR wrote it, according to Lou Smit.

< polite snip & BBM >
and like a house of cards,it all starts to fall apart very quickly (sounds like the difference between JB's private life and the one that was put on display for the public).I feel sure that John probably had no idea what he was dealing with in terms of what was going on with Patsy (I know,I've been there),until it was too late.It's also not uncommon for the mood swings to cause homicidal and or suicidal feelings in someone who wouldn't ever normally consider committing these acts.
I don't think it's incidental that not only did the housekeeper note a huge change in Patsy's mood shortly bf the murder,some of her friends did as well,and had planned an intervention for her after Christmas.it was said they were concerned about the 'mega-Jonbenet' thing she was creating,what with the addition of platinum-blond hair,sexy outfits and walks,makeup to look like an adult,etc. (I think this was manic behavior as well,ie-overdoing it).When even outsiders notice a huge change in someone,it signals a huge red flag in someone like Patsy,who displayed other signs and symptoms as well.
Just some things to think about.

I agree. It is a shame PR did not seek professional counseling for the demons that chased her.

OMO
 
My Responses are in Red to a 2008 single post bySeekingJana

Jane, you wrote above that you wondered about aspects of the " accidental murder"...

I don't know if I am in the minority in my belief, but I do not think JonBenet's murder was accidental. I have reason to believe it was planned for a few months, probably when the suspicions of incest in the form of a male sexually fondling JonBenet, first entered Patsy's mind.

No, the death of 6yo JonBenet was not an accident. Yes, I agree. It could have easily been planned for months.

Several things point to a kidnapping hoax ( body removed from the home and dumped) being planned to cover up a parental murder by Patsy, plus IMO, there are other signs that things were NOT RIGHT in the Ramsey household concerning JonBenet.

I think the pre-Christmas gift choices for JonBenet, chosen by Patsy, even if given to JBR by other family members, are extremely odd for a 6 year old.
1) JBR received a doll for Christmas which was ordered specifically to look just like her. Patsy said later it looked like JBR in her coffin. JonBenet didn't like the doll.
Purpose of the doll: To immortalize Patsy's little beauty queen after her death. A perfect little doll.

I agree the Twinn Doll is an eerie gift to receive at Christmas time but only since it is also her date with death. IN DOI, PR states she felt as if she invited death into her family by ordering the Twinn doll that arrived appearing as if she were in a casket and decorating their home for the holidays with the color purple [And with angels].

2) The ID bracelet she received for Christmas. Kids didn't ask for this type of jewelry in the late 90's. But she got one. Want to know why? So her body could be more easily identified after it was disposed of. I believe this was a preparation to the murder.

Definitely points to premed. The gold ID bracelet inscribed with the death date of JonBenet angers me knowing it was purchased to intentionally coincide with her death.

3) Likewise, the cross pendant she got for Christmas that year. A symbol of eternal life for Christians. I am a Christian and never gave my children crosses as jewelry, and wouldn't have thought they would like it at the age of 6!! 10, 11 years old or so, maybe.

The gold cross necklace she was wearing when she was strangled may have been a gift from an Aunt and not from PR. PR purchasing JonBenet's white burial dress a couple of weeks before the funeral is also suspicious.

Things happened which we know a bit about, but not all.
For example, the frequent trips in the late fall to the pediatrician, Dr. Beuf, for treatment of " vaginitis". Patsy knew something was wrong, and JBR had probably told her as best as she could, because they were learning about " bad touches" and " good touches" in her kindergarten class.

The fact that JonBenet's medical records were said to be " stolen". There was also a conflicting report that Dr. Beuf put her records in his bank deposit box. Who knows? Something wasn't right about it all. I think he saw evidence of abuse or neglect or both and failed to report it. As did her school, apparently.

I agree neglect and/or abuse was most likely observed by Beuf but not documented into perm medical records which is criminal intent not ethical obligation. Ya know. Off the record.

JBR took on an air of being unkempt. Her kindergarten nurse said she was often dirty, underfed, hair not brushed in the AM when she arrived at school. I don't believe it started out this way. I believe she was shunned by her mother for a month or so before she died. The autopsy report speaks of a child's fingernails which had days' worth of crud underneath them. This means she was NOT bathed nor were her hands washed.

It is good to see someone else acknowledge the nasty unkempt way Patsy allowed JonBenet to become. PR did not know and could not say when her daughter last bathed or what she ate last. Days of degraded DNA and possibly old food and junk were under her fingernails. There was also note in the AR of fibers and debris under the gold filigree ring JBR wore on her middle finger.

At last count, there were nasty deposits of fecal matter in five different areas of the home at TOD.


She was dressed up and paraded around when she was performing in Patsy's steps as a little beauty queen, but her private life was no picnic. Bleached hair, contact lens, reports of the " flipper" teeth, hair extensions, wearing DIAPERS to the pageants because of toileting regression ( a primary sign of sexual abuse in her age group).

Patsy saw absolutely nothing wrong with any of this behavior bc she promoted it. Mark my word, coaching the walk, the voice, changing to the platinum blonde hair, and designing the flamboyant costumes, Patsy knew she was highly sexualizing her daughter by age 6 and prob by age 5.

She didn't have her mother's help in the bathrooms at public places and would ask strangers to clean her little bottom. That's pathetic.

Can't even imagine calling anyone to help with that basic function of life by age 6 nor needing my mother to finish getting the job done except on occasion.


For the remainder of the post, I highlighted some words and phrases in red.

Then there are the mysterious and strange things which happened in the Ramsey home in December.
1) The party on the 23rd.. the 911 hang up call, Susan Stine's response when police showed up. JonBenet apparently saying she wasn't pretty. Reports that she cried that night.
2) Don Paugh, her grandfather, flying out of Boulder on Christmas Eve evening for Roswell, GA. Not a regular planned flight but a STANDBY FLIGHT. Who flies standby on Chrstmas Eve????
3) All of the calls and plans to John Achalutta ( ?sp), the Ramsey's private pilot. What was going on? There was a flurry of activity planned, but we do not know if anyone was flown out or in to the Ramsey house.
4) The fact that the Ramseys were going to Michigan, then to Disney World. The journey was to start the next day, the AM of the 26th, where JBR would compete in a well-known pageant, but their plans were sketchy at best. Little to no packing was done. Patsy said that she threw their clothes in black garbage bags.. WHY?
We know they owned luggage. What happened that she didn't have time to pack before Christmas Day??

She said the plastic garbage bags were used to save space in the plane. That's BS. First of all, the space allotted doesn't change. Garbage bags full of clothes? Did she think there was a dry cleaner's open in MI during their hurried meeting with Melinda and John Andrew? Why even go to MI in the first place? Melinda and John Andrew were in GA. So were the rest of their families.

Secondly, there is an absolute weight limit on what can be put into a small private plane. Patsy could not simply stuff clothing into bags and have someone haul them all on the airplane. The baggage had to be weighed. The pilot had to calculate his weight load and distribution.
5) Lastly, the conflicting things Patsy said in DOI about JonBenet at the time on Christmas Day. First, she could not play with her little friends because " She had a cold". She was " in her bedroom in bed".

But, later on that same day, we know that she dressed up and was taken to the White's house , where it is reported that she played with her friend Daphne that evening and ate her last full meal. ( the pineapple being the last food she consumed, contrary to what Patsy said).

I fully believe that the murder was planned by one parent for a period of weeks to perhaps months. Patsy was the tail that wagged the dog in that family. I think John was clueless until well after the fact, probably when he got separate lawyers for the two of them and was able to put 2 and 2 together.

JMO,
Maria

**************

Yep. Just a note to add, there was a plastic bag in a CS photos that JR explained could be for a charity donation.

Also, a family friend, or LA, at the home on the 26th, moved a bag of clothes into a closet. Corrupting evidence. It is lighter to fly with articles inside plastic bags in lieu of heavier lightweight luggage. Besides, they had clothing in MI, at their Victorian lake house, that they flew to frequently.

Equally balanced weight on any flight is crucial and must be secured ie, seatbelts for passengers; locking overhead compartments for secure storage. JRs was not a small jet. It held up to 9 passengers, plus two pilot seats, iirc.

You are correct that PR was not done packing for the Big Red Boat cruise. I declare it is bc she knew they would not arrive for their cruise since she had made other plans.

And TY for the reminder.
Patsy said in DOI about JonBenet at the time on Christmas Day. First, she could not play with her little friends because " She had a cold". She was " in her bedroom in bed".
 
I was reading this thread and just wanted to pop in to say that, some of you have been talking about JonBenet wearing contacts and flippers, she didn't use either.

Her eyes look blue because Patsy had that done as part of the re-touching done for glitz photos. You see that a lot in glitz pageants.
Honestly jonbenet actually had very little re-touching done...but many girls have their pictures re-touched to basically change everything in the photo! They will have eye color changed and hair color changed in the photo, skin lightened or smoothed to remove any texture like pores, teeth whitened in the photo, hairstyle changed in the photo if you realize later you don't like the style she had that day, hair added to make it look fuller, or add hair to bald babies photos, accessories/jewelry added into a photo because the girl wasn't wearing any for real...NONE of these exist in the real person/photo, they are ALL added afterward by photoshopping them in.
I'm sure you've seen glitz girls photos.

JB barely had ANY re-touching done at all, but I noticed they DID do her eyes and skin.

They had a good retoucher though, it's way obvious when it's badly done.

I did pageants and now my daughter does pageants, and yeah we do have glitz photos but we don't go overboard with all that retouching, I never understood the POINT of it all, when you've changed so many things that it's almost like it's not even your child anymore, you know? Why have a photo that isn't really your kid because you've changed her eyes, hair, shape of her face?

Eden Wood's mom Mickie got pics of Eden done where it doesn't even look like Eden more because they retouched it to actually change the shape of her chin and lips and even removed her dimples from the photo! What is the point? There was another girl we know who I had seen her head shots online so many times and every picture was different- some she had brown eyes, some green, some hazel, some blue....after a few years we happened to meet her and her mom at Gold Coast pageant and I was like "oh I guess now I'm finally going to find out what color her eyes actually are" LOL!

Anyway, JB wasn't wearing contact lenses.
I've not met a mom yet who put colored contacts on her child. Or any contacts actually. But they are perfectly happy to alter their child's photos to make it look like they have a different color!

As for flippers I don't think she ever had any.
I've never seen her wear any in any photo.
And again flippers are VERY obvious, they change the whole shape of the child's face really and they talk funny with them in sometimes, and they don't even look like real teeth it often looks like you have a white band across your teeth it's very unnatural looking.
Even for her photogenic pictures jonbenet didn't put a flipper in. Flippers are one of those things where you can't miss it, if it's there.
 
What book or person ever admitted that JonBenet was dirty, hungry, and hair unkempt in kindergarten? I've never heard that.
 
I have heard stories about this being a true psychological disorder, but I have yet to find actually articles or stories confirming this?

Essentially the "Snow White" syndrome is the condition where a mother envies her daughter to the point of wanting her dead she doesn't replace her as the "woman of the house". It's apparently linked often to situations where the father is abusing the daughter or perceived to be attracted to the daughter.

Anybody have any links or insights into this or some known cases that they can link?
 
I agree. It is a shame PR did not seek professional counseling for the demons that chased her.

Supposing I agree, DeDee, it is a shame. People should not feel ashamed or afraid to seek help. I'm a strong advocate for that.
 
The JonBenet case has forced me out of lurkdom, what with the new revelations about the feces smeared box of candy in JBR's bedroom, the soiling all over, the Grand Jury's recommendation revealed, etc. I used to be in the Steve Thomas PR did it/bedwetting camp. Now, I can read between the lines, being formerly in the legal field. Man, that GJ was pointing at one person for the deed and 2 to cover it up. If you split hairs on the wording, it does not take a genius to get who the GJ thinks abused/killed JBR! I also am TOTALLY on board with the prior molestation and the NEED in the mind of those covering to try and cover that up with "fresh" molestation. I have been coming up with a theory that covers ALL the evidence we know (which is a small amount). Almost. Afraid to post the theory for fear of lawsuits! :)
 
The JonBenet case has forced me out of lurkdom, what with the new revelations about the feces smeared box of candy in JBR's bedroom, the soiling all over, the Grand Jury's recommendation revealed, etc. I used to be in the Steve Thomas PR did it/bedwetting camp. Now, I can read between the lines, being formerly in the legal field. Man, that GJ was pointing at one person for the deed and 2 to cover it up. If you split hairs on the wording, it does not take a genius to get who the GJ thinks abused/killed JBR! I also am TOTALLY on board with the prior molestation and the NEED in the mind of those covering to try and cover that up with "fresh" molestation. I have been coming up with a theory that covers ALL the evidence we know (which is a small amount). Almost. Afraid to post the theory for fear of lawsuits! :)

If you haven't read James Kolar's book - he spells it out in every way but by name. Lawsuits can't go forward if what you are saying is the truth. Libel can only be charged if what you say is a lie.
 
The JonBenet case has forced me out of lurkdom, what with the new revelations about the feces smeared box of candy in JBR's bedroom, the soiling all over, the Grand Jury's recommendation revealed, etc. I used to be in the Steve Thomas PR did it/bedwetting camp. Now, I can read between the lines, being formerly in the legal field. Man, that GJ was pointing at one person for the deed and 2 to cover it up. If you split hairs on the wording, it does not take a genius to get who the GJ thinks abused/killed JBR! I also am TOTALLY on board with the prior molestation and the NEED in the mind of those covering to try and cover that up with "fresh" molestation. I have been coming up with a theory that covers ALL the evidence we know (which is a small amount). Almost. Afraid to post the theory for fear of lawsuits! :)

Welcome back. I'd like to hear your theory when you get it all finished. :seeya:
 
The JonBenet case has forced me out of lurkdom, what with the new revelations about the feces smeared box of candy in JBR's bedroom, the soiling all over, the Grand Jury's recommendation revealed, etc. I used to be in the Steve Thomas PR did it/bedwetting camp. Now, I can read between the lines, being formerly in the legal field. Man, that GJ was pointing at one person for the deed and 2 to cover it up. If you split hairs on the wording, it does not take a genius to get who the GJ thinks abused/killed JBR! I also am TOTALLY on board with the prior molestation and the NEED in the mind of those covering to try and cover that up with "fresh" molestation. I have been coming up with a theory that covers ALL the evidence we know (which is a small amount). Almost. Afraid to post the theory for fear of lawsuits! :)
Welcome to the light, Theonly1. Once you have made that leap, everything else becomes so much more clear. The inexplicable Ramsey behaviors after the loss of their daughter suddenly is understandable. Their feelings of "forgiveness" for the "killer", their haste to "move on with their lives"... These things all are no longer such a mystery after all when you acknowledge the unthinkable.

If you care to post your theory, so long as you state that it is your opinion on what you think happened, I don't think you have to worry about liability.

BTW, I thought (because of the avatar) you were someone else and had had your username changed (posters here sometimes do that somehow). Am I the only one here who doesn't know who that is? For the life of me, I don't.
 
I will have to look for it on Netflix.
 
The Bad Seed is one of my favorite classic films. You can watch it over and over. It's dramatic and creepy and has bits of humor as well (Leroy). Great movie!

Just the other day I saw Patty McCormack, the little girl who played Rhoda, on a tv show and she is an absolute beautiful older lady.
 

I would believe you honestly, but I believe the purpose of the paintbrush was to cause enough damage to hide prior damage. Perhaps the stager was not the abuser and accidentally did not do a good enough job hiding the prior evidence.

I am totally on board with this. Digital penetration was what the CHRONIC SEXUAL ABUSE was consistent with. In other words, someone used their finger, they thought. A paintbrush wielded with a touch of force, to even make that one purplish abrasion inside, might have done the trick in the perps mind. Trouble was, the old abuse was so obvious to people accustomed to a child's sex organs. Dr. boef never used a speculum so he would not have seen her inner damage.
 

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