Burke did NOT kill JonBenet

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1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.

2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.

3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.

4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.

5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.

6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.

7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.

8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.

9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.

10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.
 
1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.

2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.

3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.

4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.

5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.

6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.

7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.

8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.

9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.

10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.
This is excellently written. I don't believe the parents did it either, but I at least find it a reasonable belief. That Burke did it is based on the flimsiest of evidence.
 
1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.

2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.

3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.

4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.

5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.

6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.

7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.

8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.

9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.

10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.
Thank you. I have never believed that Burke was responsible—considering the facts, it is difficult to see why anyone would think a 9-year-old could commit such an act, especially when compared to the possibility of an adult male being involved.
 
1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.

2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.

3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.

4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.

5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.

6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.

7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.

8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.

9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.

10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.
This is a great analysis and well written post! I have always been BDI and this post is making me think hard about it again. May I respond playing devil's advocate on why I think he can't be ruled out?
 
Interesting thread.
I don’t think BR could be responsible for a number of reasons, except if JB’s death was the result of an accidental head blow, then covered up by PR and JR (*Covered up so well, that BR may not have even been aware when he woke up that morning that his actions had caused the death. He was shielded from knowing what he had done)
I don’t consider the SA and garrotting to be evidence of an authentic SA but rather a staged SA scene. I believe the SA injuries would have been far more grievous, including bloody wounds and tears. This points to a cover up or misdirection (*in fact, the misdirection of the staged SA points to a parent precisely because they used the paintbrush, which to me indicates a horrified inability to inflict true SA injuries on one’s own child)
BR was too young and unsophisticated to concoct the misdirection.
BR was was too young and innocent to have the knowledge re SA to do the staging.
The RN was beyond the creative writing capability and experience of the world and pop culture (movie references) of a 9 year old.
IMO
 
Interesting thread.
I don’t think BR could be responsible for a number of reasons, except if JB’s death was the result of an accidental head blow, then covered up by PR and JR (*Covered up so well, that BR may not have even been aware when he woke up that morning that his actions had caused the death. He was shielded from knowing what he had done)
I don’t consider the SA and garrotting to be evidence of an authentic SA but rather a staged SA scene. I believe the SA injuries would have been far more grievous, including bloody wounds and tears. This points to a cover up or misdirection (*in fact, the misdirection of the staged SA points to a parent precisely because they used the paintbrush, which to me indicates a horrified inability to inflict true SA injuries on one’s own child)
BR was too young and unsophisticated to concoct the misdirection.
BR was was too young and innocent to have the knowledge re SA to do the staging.
The RN was beyond the creative writing capability and experience of the world and pop culture (movie references) of a 9 year old.
IMO
This is perfectly stated, and I agree with you almost entirely! I believe all the evidence clearly points to a parental cover-up.

What happened before that is where we have to theorize—and we may never truly know. Personally, I lean toward the BDI (Burke Did It) theory, as I find it hard to believe the parents would cover for each other or intentionally plan something like this. That said, we have no idea what was happening behind closed doors, so it doesn’t mean that scenario is impossible; I just can’t offer much more there.

Where I think the case becomes even more significant is with the evidence of previous SA. I believe this detail is central to everything that happened. If members of the family knew about the prior abuse—regardless of who was responsible—it would mean that finding JonBenét’s body would implicate the family no matter what, even if the head blow was accidental. This, to me, explains why a cover-up became necessary. From there, multiple theories can stem as to how and why they agreed that staging the scene was their best option.
 
1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.
We both agree that the family covered it up. The question we have to ask—purely in theory, since no one can ever prove it—is why both parents would be involved in covering for the other. What would compel them to cooperate so completely?

I believe BDI (on accident) makes the most sense which I'll get in to. Obviously, none of it is proof, but I think your reasoning below can be challenged to the point where these questions can't be ignored. None of this is argumentative, I want to get your thoughts and help to open everyone's mind.

It likely will not convince you, but at the very least, it shows that the BDI is just as plausible as any other RDI scenario, and actually far more-so (based on evidence, timeline, and behavior.)

2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.
Detective Linda Arndt’s theory is based on what she observed the morning JonBenét’s body was found. While Arndt was an experienced investigator and her opinion carries weight, it’s still theory. Boulder Social Services’ alleged agreement is also speculative and has never been formally documented. Even if JR were responsible for everything she implied—prior SA and murder—it doesn’t answer the critical question of how we got to this point. Did he just snap that night? What triggered this specific series of events? Regardless, it offers no opposition to the theory that BR may have been involved.

3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.
While it’s true that investigators like Steve Thomas and Fred Patterson did not suspect Burke Ramsey or believe he knew anything, there are several troubling details that point to the possibility he knew more than he let on. For instance, according to his parents, Burke never woke up during all the commotion that morning—a claim that strains credibility given the chaos in the house. Yet in his interview with Dr. Phil, Burke admitted he was awake while people were frantically coming into his room but chose to pretend to be asleep. Why? He also admitted during that interview that he had been awake late that night, after parents originally told investigators that he had gone straight to bed. This behavior alone raises questions.

There’s also the 9-1-1 call, where it’s theorized Burke’s voice can be heard in the background, although this cannot be definitively proven. More concerning is that his parents never claimed to have asked him if he heard anything that night—something you’d expect from parents desperate to find their daughter. Instead, Burke was quickly removed from the house before police could properly question him. When officers did attempt to ask him questions, John Ramsey interrupted and pushed him out of the house with Fleet White, which appears evasive. Then there’s the pineapple bowl and tea glass found on the kitchen table, both bearing Burke’s fingerprints. The scene suggests it could have been prepared by him the night before, yet Burke denied knowing what was in the bowl or how it got there.

It’s also important to note that Burke was never thoroughly “interrogated” but only lightly questioned about that night on a few occasions. While his responses and behavior during those interviews weren’t explored seriously at the time, they did raise concerns that remain unanswered to this day. These details don’t prove Burke’s involvement, but they make it hard to ignore the possibility that he knew more than he shared. The family certainly made a conceded effort to hide him from the public and law enforcement. Again, not evidence of involvement, but in conjunction with the changing stories above and the behavior around him presents a question that must be asked.
4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.
Your first statement is actually not quite true, though I understand what you are saying. James Kolar served as the LEAD investigator for the Boulder District Attorney's office from 2005 to 2006. He reviewed thousands of pieces of evidence and knows the case as well as anyone.

Parts of James Kolar's account in Foreign Faction overlap with Steve Thomas' work because both investigators were reviewing the same evidence collected during the investigation. The conclusions they drew naturally align because the evidence. It’s not that Kolar “cribbed” from Thomas, but rather that the facts speak for themselves when examined critically. Both men reached similar conclusions because the evidence overwhelmingly suggests the crime was staged to look like a kidnapping after something went tragically wrong inside the home.

5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.
The idea that the grand jury suspected only Patsy and John Ramsey while ignoring Burke is pure speculation, and their findings leave room for multiple interpretations. While the grand jury's charges for "placing JonBenét in a dangerous situation" and "acting as accessories" could imply John and Patsy were covering for each other, they could just as easily mean they were covering for someone else—such as Burke.

The evidence suggests the grand jury saw enough to believe a cover-up occurred and that JonBenét had been placed in harm’s way. If they believed Burke struck JonBenét accidentally, this would explain why they viewed John and Patsy as accessories. The parents’ failure to protect JonBenét—by knowingly leaving her in a dangerous situation or shielding Burke from consequences—could easily fit the charges. The grand jury's scope wasn’t limited to PDI, it was about culpability in JonBenét's death and what happened afterward. Since grand jury proceedings are sealed, you (nor me) know their exact reasoning, but dismissing Burke entirely is not an accurate inference of the charges brought and ignores how much the evidence—like the pineapple, the fingerprints, and the timeline—naturally draws attention to him.

6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.
Your are partially correct, but then you speculate just the same as BDI theorists do. We agree there is evidence suggesting that Burke Ramsey engaged in feces-smearing behavior in the past. Former housekeeper Linda Hoffman-Pugh reported finding fecal matter the size of a grapefruit on JonBenét's bed sheets, which she attributed to Burke. Additionally, forensic pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz noted that Burke had previously smeared feces on the walls of a bathroom, indicating a history of such behavior.

These incidents have been discussed in various analyses of the case, with some experts suggesting that such behavior could indicate underlying psychological issues or sibling rivalry. However, it's important to note that while these reports exist, they are part of a larger body of circumstantial evidence and should be considered within the broader context of the investigation. This on it's own does not and cannot either be evidence for or against the BDI theory. We can only speculate.

Can you provide a source that JBR was known to smear feces as well? From what I have read throughout the years, and to my knowledge, there are no documented instances or testimonies attributing similar actions to JBR herself. While there are reports that JonBenét had occasional issues with soiling her pants, it’s a major stretch to imply that she was responsible for smearing feces on her candy box. This behavior aligns far more with someone else in the household, particularly given the context of the crime scene and the documented history of such actions.

7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.
I agree that claims about Burke being inappropriate with JonBenét have been exaggerated and are largely based on unverified tabloid rumors. Whether those allegations are true or not, they hold absolutely no weight in the BDI theory of an accidental blow to the head followed by a parental cover-up. The BDI theory doesn’t rely on prior behavior but instead focuses on the evidence from that night—like the pineapple, the timeline, and the staged elements of the crime scene.

8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.
We agree here, however I think you are dismissing it as irrelevant without understanding what it really tells us. Regardless of intent, the golf club incident demonstrates that Burke had, at one point, caused physical harm to JonBenét. It’s not proof of what happened that night, but it does show that accidents—and possibly a lack of supervision—had occurred before, making the theory of an accidental head blow all the more plausible.

9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.
While it’s true that adult perpetrators have used objects in sexual assaults, context and evidence must be considered when applying this to the JonBenét Ramsey case. What sets this situation apart is that the injuries from the object penetration appear staged rather than consistent with a typical assault. Experts like Dr. Cyril Wecht have suggested that the injuries were inflicted postmortem or very near death, and the lack of clear signs of a sexually motivated assault supports this conclusion.

What’s significant is that this “assault” aligns more with covering up prior abuse or creating a false narrative rather than an intentional act of sexual gratification. Staging with a household object—like the paintbrush handle—is far more consistent with someone panicking and attempting to explain away existing evidence of chronic sexual abuse found during the autopsy. This scenario would logically exclude an outside intruder and points instead to someone inside the house, as an adult male intruder would have little reason to stage with such precision or care.

The theory that a child could have caused the acute injuries aligns better with the evidence of prior SA, (though obviously not conclusive) as it suggests a clumsy, confused attempt to replicate something they had seen or been involved in, either consciously or unconsciously. Dismissing this as “not childlike” ignores the context of the case and the reality of what panic-driven staging or accidental injury can look like, especially when the goal was to create a distraction for investigators.

We don’t know who was responsible for the prior SA, and while it may matter for motive or who committed which act, it does nothing to disprove the BDI theory—in fact, it strengthens it. The evidence of chronic abuse and then a reluctant cover up points to knowledge within the family (or at least one person) that it was happening, which would explain why calling the police that night wasn’t an option. Whether the family was aware and failed to protect JonBenét or one parent was the perpetrator, the discovery of prior SA would have been catastrophic, making a cover-up even more likely.

10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.
While it’s true that Burke and Patsy’s fingerprints on the pineapple bowl only mean they touched it at some point, that still raises significant questions when paired with JonBenét’s undigested pineapple. Their prints being there means one of two things: either they prepared the pineapple, or the bowl was dirty. But would Patsy really serve pineapple to her kids in a dirty bowl? I don't believe so. But would a 9 year old grab a dirty bowl and a spoon far to big? Certainly.

The most logical explanation is that Burke likely prepared the pineapple himself. It would make sense for a child to grab a dirty bowl from the sink or dishwasher without thinking twice, which would explain why both his and Patsy’s fingerprints were on the bowl—hers from earlier use and his from handling it that night. This also aligns with the tea glass found next to the bowl, which had only Burke’s fingerprints on it. The scenario fits: Burke grabbed what he needed, prepared the snack, and left his prints on the glass while JonBenét ate the pineapple shortly before her death. This perfectly explains the evidence without requiring any mental gymnastics. Simply dismissing it as meaningless ignores both the evidence and common sense.

Guessing that JonBenét ate pineapple from some unsubstantiated container in the fridge rather than the clearly prepared bowl on the table is a speculative leap at best and does nothing to disprove the BDI theory; it’s simply an attempt to ignore the evidence right in front of us.

Let me know what you think, would love to discuss more! I have my own full/comprehensive BDI theory that I think addresses every single piece of evidence. Happy to share if anyone has any further interest.
 
@Jink3 thanks for the reply. John's fibers were found in what the prosecutor termed JBR's "crotch area". Both John and Patsy were asked extensive questions about whether or not John had assisted JBR in the bathroom or with dressing that night and they both emphatically responded that he hadn't. The black sweater John's fibers shed from had also never been laundered and presumably neither had the underpants which were a size 12 and had originally been purchased for a relative's child. For people who might not be knowledgeable about children's underpants sizes, a slender 6 yr. old would typically wear a size 6. A 12 yr. old would wear a size 12. JBR would've been able to pull a pair of size 12 underpants up to her armpits. No one said they noticed her wearing them. The most likely explanation is that she was redressed in them after having been rendered unconscious by the head blow. The fibers weren't only in the underpants crotch. There were also dark fibers found in her vulva area (this is in the autopsy summary, Bonita papers).

JBR's bedroom was situated in an odd and isolated location, a floor below the master bedroom and on the opposite side of the hall from Burke. The staircase leading down from the master bedroom bathroom is off to the side of JBR's bedroom door. It was John's idea to put JBR there. Child abuse investigator Holly Smith made a point of saying the child's bedroom is an important part of any child abuse investigation and stated that she had visited JBR's bedroom. Holly Smith was also part of Boulder Social Services.

Also, to address the particularly commonly held belief that the parents would not cover for each other, I'm not picking on anyone in particular, this comes up repeatedly but I really don't understand it. All over Websleuths there are fatal child abuse cases and other types of domestic homicides that involve family members covering for adult abusers or specifically parents covering for abusive spouses. Right now we have the Madeline Soto case. For many yrs. in fact, the preferred theory of the JBR case, right here, in this folder was PDI with John covering for Patsy and no one had a problem believing it.

P.S. While I was typing this out you fleshed your reply out with a longer post I didn't see until now. I'll get back to it.
 
@Jink3 thanks for the reply. John's fibers were found in what the prosecutor termed JBR's "crotch area". Both John and Patsy were asked extensive questions about whether or not John had assisted JBR in the bathroom or with dressing that night and they both emphatically responded that he hadn't. The black sweater John's fibers shed from had also never been laundered
Thanks @Swirlz, no rush on any of it! Appreciate your insight and thoughts!

You’re absolutely right—John’s fibers being found in JonBenét’s “crotch area,” especially when he and Patsy denied helping her dress or use the bathroom that night, is hard to ignore. In my opinion, it strongly suggests John was integral to the cover-up, whether to protect himself, Patsy, or Burke, but doesn't disprove any involvement by Burke as (what I believe) is most plausible is his involvement in the initial strike which led to the events.

and presumably neither had the underpants which were a size 12 and had originally been purchased for a relative's child. For people who might not be knowledgeable about children's underpants sizes, a slender 6 yr. old would typically wear a size 6. A 12 yr. old would wear a size 12. JBR would've been able to pull a pair of size 12 underpants up to her armpits. No one said they noticed her wearing them. The most likely explanation is that she was redressed in them after having been rendered unconscious by the head blow. The fibers weren't only in the underpants crotch. There were also dark fibers found in her vulva area (this is in the autopsy summary, Bonita papers).
I completely agree, and that’s a great point. The oversized size 12 underwear strongly suggests JonBenét was redressed after the head blow, likely as part of staging. I theorize that the evidence of her body being wiped down may have involved her original underwear, which could explain why dark fibers were found in the vulva area as well.

I theorize that she was wiped down by JR to remove any evidence left during the staging or maybe (totally speculation) anything that may have shown that BR had interacted with her underwear that night...

JBR's bedroom was situated in an odd and isolated location, a floor below the master bedroom and on the opposite side of the hall from Burke. The staircase leading down from the master bedroom bathroom is off to the side of JBR's bedroom door. It was John's idea to put JBR there. Child abuse investigator Holly Smith made a point of saying the child's bedroom is an important part of any child abuse investigation and stated that she had visited JBR's bedroom. Holly Smith was also part of Boulder Social Services.
I fully agree—JonBenét’s isolated bedroom placement, chosen by John, does raise valid questions, and it’s certainly possible he could have been responsible for the prior SA. However, this doesn’t conflict with the BDI theory; in fact, it strengthens it, as it would explain why John would be inclined to cover for Burke if he accidentally killed her, knowing what an investigation might reveal. That said, both of our theories are pure speculation, and we can’t derive concrete conclusions from the bedroom positioning within the home.

Also, to address the particularly commonly held belief that the parents would not cover for each other, I'm not picking on anyone in particular, this comes up repeatedly but I really don't understand it. All over Websleuths there are fatal child abuse cases and other types of domestic homicides that involve family members covering for adult abusers or specifically parents covering for abusive spouses. Right now we have the Madeline Soto case. For many yrs. in fact, the preferred theory of the JBR case, right here, in this folder was PDI with John covering for Patsy and no one had a problem believing it.

P.S. While I was typing this out you fleshed your reply out with a longer post I didn't see until now. I'll get back to it.
I completely agree with you—there are countless cases of family members covering for abusive spouses or parents protecting each other after fatal child abuse, and we’ll never truly know what was going on in that house. Every point you make is valid, especially when considering similar cases, but none of it really calls the BDI scenario into question. If anything, it highlights just how far families can go to protect themselves when something tragic happens behind closed doors.

Super interesting thoughts though! I definitely lean BDI due to behavioral evidence from everyone involved (obviously speculative) as well as the way confusing evidence seems to tie in nicely when you put it all together. But I respect your opinion! None of these scenarios are "easy" to imagine.
 
O.k., about Burke having stayed in bed while chaos ensued downstairs, that he's hiding because he's guilty and doesn't want to get in trouble is one possible interpretation. Another possibility though is that he's already been exposed to or has experienced abuse at home and knows the safest place is in bed in his room, pretending to be asleep.

And I'd have to disagree that Burke was only questioned lightly about what happened that night or that the family made any particular effort to hide him from either the public or from law enforcement. Burke gave 3 separate interviews, two of them with his parents consent. He was questioned for two hours at a time on two different days by Susanne Bernhard with his parents permission, although, to be fair, Steve Thomas did have some issues about how she went about asking the questions. He was also interviewed ate age 11 by Detective Schuller for another two hours at a time on two different days. Only page one of Burke's interview with Patterson can be found online but the questions are actually rather detailed. And Burke was sent back to school.

O.k. on to the poop stuff; Linda Hoffman-Pugh clearly attributed the grapefruit sized fecal material found in JBR's bed to JBR herself. This is stated on page 38 (paperback) of Thomas' book "She [LHP] told the police that the problem also extended to JonBenet soiling the bed, and recalled once finding fecal matter the size of a grapefruit on the sheets." There is an additional source in Thomas' book for JBR leaving feces in her bed on page 6. I am aware of no source for a claim by LHP about Burke having put bodily waste in JBR's bed.

On the morning of Dec. 26, JBR's toilet contained waste that hadn't been flushed with a pair of her soiled pants lying nearby inside-out on the bathroom floor. It's possible that an angry adult got poop on her box. It's possible it was JBR. We don't know because the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested.

I BTW am somewhat skeptical of this claim about a poop covered candy box by Kolar. Holly Smith described a candy box found in JBR's bedroom as "poignant". I doubt anyone would use the word "poignant" to describe a feces coated candy box and neither John or Patsy is asked about a candy box or any poop beyond the soiled pants and what hadn't been flushed down the toilet in JBR's bathroom.

I agree that the paintbrush was probably inserted to mask prior sexual abuse and my guess has always been that it was an attempt to remove JBR's hymen but are you suggesting Burke at age not quite ten possessed the level of sophistication and sexual awareness to have figured it out that JBR would have a shriveled hymen and other evidence of prior abuse that would be evident at autopsy and that in order to escape detection he needed to penetrate her with a paintbrush handle? If Burke is responsible for this act where is his physical evidence? Why is it John who's fibers link him? Only dark and dark blue fibers were discovered. The "dark blue" fibers were described as consistent with a cotton towel. The "dark" fibers were matched to John's Israeli sweater.
 
We both agree that the family covered it up. The question we have to ask—purely in theory, since no one can ever prove it—is why both parents would be involved in covering for the other. What would compel them to cooperate so completely?

I believe BDI (on accident) makes the most sense which I'll get in to. Obviously, none of it is proof, but I think your reasoning below can be challenged to the point where these questions can't be ignored. None of this is argumentative, I want to get your thoughts and help to open everyone's mind.

It likely will not convince you, but at the very least, it shows that the BDI is just as plausible as any other RDI scenario, and actually far more-so (based on evidence, timeline, and behavior.)


Detective Linda Arndt’s theory is based on what she observed the morning JonBenét’s body was found. While Arndt was an experienced investigator and her opinion carries weight, it’s still theory. Boulder Social Services’ alleged agreement is also speculative and has never been formally documented. Even if JR were responsible for everything she implied—prior SA and murder—it doesn’t answer the critical question of how we got to this point. Did he just snap that night? What triggered this specific series of events? Regardless, it offers no opposition to the theory that BR may have been involved.


While it’s true that investigators like Steve Thomas and Fred Patterson did not suspect Burke Ramsey or believe he knew anything, there are several troubling details that point to the possibility he knew more than he let on. For instance, according to his parents, Burke never woke up during all the commotion that morning—a claim that strains credibility given the chaos in the house. Yet in his interview with Dr. Phil, Burke admitted he was awake while people were frantically coming into his room but chose to pretend to be asleep. Why? He also admitted during that interview that he had been awake late that night, after parents originally told investigators that he had gone straight to bed. This behavior alone raises questions.

There’s also the 9-1-1 call, where it’s theorized Burke’s voice can be heard in the background, although this cannot be definitively proven. More concerning is that his parents never claimed to have asked him if he heard anything that night—something you’d expect from parents desperate to find their daughter. Instead, Burke was quickly removed from the house before police could properly question him. When officers did attempt to ask him questions, John Ramsey interrupted and pushed him out of the house with Fleet White, which appears evasive. Then there’s the pineapple bowl and tea glass found on the kitchen table, both bearing Burke’s fingerprints. The scene suggests it could have been prepared by him the night before, yet Burke denied knowing what was in the bowl or how it got there.

It’s also important to note that Burke was never thoroughly “interrogated” but only lightly questioned about that night on a few occasions. While his responses and behavior during those interviews weren’t explored seriously at the time, they did raise concerns that remain unanswered to this day. These details don’t prove Burke’s involvement, but they make it hard to ignore the possibility that he knew more than he shared. The family certainly made a conceded effort to hide him from the public and law enforcement. Again, not evidence of involvement, but in conjunction with the changing stories above and the behavior around him presents a question that must be asked.

Your first statement is actually not quite true, though I understand what you are saying. James Kolar served as the LEAD investigator for the Boulder District Attorney's office from 2005 to 2006. He reviewed thousands of pieces of evidence and knows the case as well as anyone.

Parts of James Kolar's account in Foreign Faction overlap with Steve Thomas' work because both investigators were reviewing the same evidence collected during the investigation. The conclusions they drew naturally align because the evidence. It’s not that Kolar “cribbed” from Thomas, but rather that the facts speak for themselves when examined critically. Both men reached similar conclusions because the evidence overwhelmingly suggests the crime was staged to look like a kidnapping after something went tragically wrong inside the home.


The idea that the grand jury suspected only Patsy and John Ramsey while ignoring Burke is pure speculation, and their findings leave room for multiple interpretations. While the grand jury's charges for "placing JonBenét in a dangerous situation" and "acting as accessories" could imply John and Patsy were covering for each other, they could just as easily mean they were covering for someone else—such as Burke.

The evidence suggests the grand jury saw enough to believe a cover-up occurred and that JonBenét had been placed in harm’s way. If they believed Burke struck JonBenét accidentally, this would explain why they viewed John and Patsy as accessories. The parents’ failure to protect JonBenét—by knowingly leaving her in a dangerous situation or shielding Burke from consequences—could easily fit the charges. The grand jury's scope wasn’t limited to PDI, it was about culpability in JonBenét's death and what happened afterward. Since grand jury proceedings are sealed, you (nor me) know their exact reasoning, but dismissing Burke entirely is not an accurate inference of the charges brought and ignores how much the evidence—like the pineapple, the fingerprints, and the timeline—naturally draws attention to him.


Your are partially correct, but then you speculate just the same as BDI theorists do. We agree there is evidence suggesting that Burke Ramsey engaged in feces-smearing behavior in the past. Former housekeeper Linda Hoffman-Pugh reported finding fecal matter the size of a grapefruit on JonBenét's bed sheets, which she attributed to Burke. Additionally, forensic pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz noted that Burke had previously smeared feces on the walls of a bathroom, indicating a history of such behavior.

These incidents have been discussed in various analyses of the case, with some experts suggesting that such behavior could indicate underlying psychological issues or sibling rivalry. However, it's important to note that while these reports exist, they are part of a larger body of circumstantial evidence and should be considered within the broader context of the investigation. This on it's own does not and cannot either be evidence for or against the BDI theory. We can only speculate.

Can you provide a source that JBR was known to smear feces as well? From what I have read throughout the years, and to my knowledge, there are no documented instances or testimonies attributing similar actions to JBR herself. While there are reports that JonBenét had occasional issues with soiling her pants, it’s a major stretch to imply that she was responsible for smearing feces on her candy box. This behavior aligns far more with someone else in the household, particularly given the context of the crime scene and the documented history of such actions.


I agree that claims about Burke being inappropriate with JonBenét have been exaggerated and are largely based on unverified tabloid rumors. Whether those allegations are true or not, they hold absolutely no weight in the BDI theory of an accidental blow to the head followed by a parental cover-up. The BDI theory doesn’t rely on prior behavior but instead focuses on the evidence from that night—like the pineapple, the timeline, and the staged elements of the crime scene.


We agree here, however I think you are dismissing it as irrelevant without understanding what it really tells us. Regardless of intent, the golf club incident demonstrates that Burke had, at one point, caused physical harm to JonBenét. It’s not proof of what happened that night, but it does show that accidents—and possibly a lack of supervision—had occurred before, making the theory of an accidental head blow all the more plausible.


While it’s true that adult perpetrators have used objects in sexual assaults, context and evidence must be considered when applying this to the JonBenét Ramsey case. What sets this situation apart is that the injuries from the object penetration appear staged rather than consistent with a typical assault. Experts like Dr. Cyril Wecht have suggested that the injuries were inflicted postmortem or very near death, and the lack of clear signs of a sexually motivated assault supports this conclusion.

What’s significant is that this “assault” aligns more with covering up prior abuse or creating a false narrative rather than an intentional act of sexual gratification. Staging with a household object—like the paintbrush handle—is far more consistent with someone panicking and attempting to explain away existing evidence of chronic sexual abuse found during the autopsy. This scenario would logically exclude an outside intruder and points instead to someone inside the house, as an adult male intruder would have little reason to stage with such precision or care.

The theory that a child could have caused the acute injuries aligns better with the evidence of prior SA, (though obviously not conclusive) as it suggests a clumsy, confused attempt to replicate something they had seen or been involved in, either consciously or unconsciously. Dismissing this as “not childlike” ignores the context of the case and the reality of what panic-driven staging or accidental injury can look like, especially when the goal was to create a distraction for investigators.

We don’t know who was responsible for the prior SA, and while it may matter for motive or who committed which act, it does nothing to disprove the BDI theory—in fact, it strengthens it. The evidence of chronic abuse and then a reluctant cover up points to knowledge within the family (or at least one person) that it was happening, which would explain why calling the police that night wasn’t an option. Whether the family was aware and failed to protect JonBenét or one parent was the perpetrator, the discovery of prior SA would have been catastrophic, making a cover-up even more likely.


While it’s true that Burke and Patsy’s fingerprints on the pineapple bowl only mean they touched it at some point, that still raises significant questions when paired with JonBenét’s undigested pineapple. Their prints being there means one of two things: either they prepared the pineapple, or the bowl was dirty. But would Patsy really serve pineapple to her kids in a dirty bowl? I don't believe so. But would a 9 year old grab a dirty bowl and a spoon far to big? Certainly.

The most logical explanation is that Burke likely prepared the pineapple himself. It would make sense for a child to grab a dirty bowl from the sink or dishwasher without thinking twice, which would explain why both his and Patsy’s fingerprints were on the bowl—hers from earlier use and his from handling it that night. This also aligns with the tea glass found next to the bowl, which had only Burke’s fingerprints on it. The scenario fits: Burke grabbed what he needed, prepared the snack, and left his prints on the glass while JonBenét ate the pineapple shortly before her death. This perfectly explains the evidence without requiring any mental gymnastics. Simply dismissing it as meaningless ignores both the evidence and common sense.

Guessing that JonBenét ate pineapple from some unsubstantiated container in the fridge rather than the clearly prepared bowl on the table is a speculative leap at best and does nothing to disprove the BDI theory; it’s simply an attempt to ignore the evidence right in front of us.

Let me know what you think, would love to discuss more! I have my own full/comprehensive BDI theory that I think addresses every single piece of evidence. Happy to share if anyone has any further interest.
The bowl need not be dirty. If Patsy or Burke was responsible for the chore of putting clean dishes away, the person completing that chore would leave their fingerprints on a clean bowl in the cupboard.
 
O.k., about Burke having stayed in bed while chaos ensued downstairs, that he's hiding because he's guilty and doesn't want to get in trouble is one possible interpretation. Another possibility though is that he's already been exposed to or has experienced abuse at home and knows the safest place is in bed in his room, pretending to be asleep.
I agree that this is a possibility, though it remains speculative. That said, it doesn’t diminish the questions surrounding his involvement. The very fact that he didn’t go downstairs raises valid concerns, regardless of the reasoning behind it.

And I'd have to disagree that Burke was only questioned lightly about what happened that night or that the family made any particular effort to hide him from either the public or from law enforcement. Burke gave 3 separate interviews, two of them with his parents consent. He was questioned for two hours at a time on two different days by Susanne Bernhard with his parents permission, although, to be fair, Steve Thomas did have some issues about how she went about asking the questions. He was also interviewed ate age 11 by Detective Schuller for another two hours at a time on two different days. Only page one of Burke's interview with Patterson can be found online but the questions are actually rather detailed. And Burke was sent back to school.
I agree with the facts you’ve laid out, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on this point. After watching videos of his interviews, reading the full transcripts, and listening to expert analysis, I personally don’t believe enough was done. That said, I can’t pretend to know how you thoroughly question a 9-year-old in such a situation, so I can’t argue that point too strongly.

That being said, his contradictions and behavior, to me, suggested a strong possibility that he wasn’t entirely forthcoming. Of course, I don’t have any physical evidence to back that up—this is just my personal opinion based on what I’ve reviewed. I completely understand your point!

O.k. on to the poop stuff; Linda Hoffman-Pugh clearly attributed the grapefruit sized fecal material found in JBR's bed to JBR herself. This is stated on page 38 (paperback) of Thomas' book "She [LHP] told the police that the problem also extended to JonBenet soiling the bed, and recalled once finding fecal matter the size of a grapefruit on the sheets." There is an additional source in Thomas' book for JBR leaving feces in her bed on page 6. I am aware of no source for a claim by LHP about Burke having put bodily waste in JBR's bed.
You are correct, but the reports about fecal smearing behavior are conflicting. Other sources, including forensic pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz and some investigators, have linked this behavior to Burke. Neither Linda Hoffmann-Pugh nor the pathologists and investigators can say for certain—it’s all speculation, as I’ve mentioned. More importantly, this detail holds no real weight in the BDI theory; it neither proves nor disproves it. It’s often brought up as an attempt to paint Burke as “troubled,” even though it definitely shouldn’t be. In the context of the BDI scenario, this is simply a distraction from the central point: accidents happen. In the context of my BDI theory, I’m in no way arguing that Burke had any malicious intent that night.

On the morning of Dec. 26, JBR's toilet contained waste that hadn't been flushed with a pair of her soiled pants lying nearby inside-out on the bathroom floor. It's possible that an angry adult got poop on her box. It's possible it was JBR. We don't know because the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested.
My thoughts above—on another note, isn’t it unbelievable that this wasn’t collected for testing, especially in a crime scene like this? It’s absolutely baffling!

I BTW am somewhat skeptical of this claim about a poop covered candy box by Kolar. Holly Smith described a candy box found in JBR's bedroom as "poignant". I doubt anyone would use the word "poignant" to describe a feces coated candy box and neither John or Patsy is asked about a candy box or any poop beyond the soiled pants and what hadn't been flushed down the toilet in JBR's bathroom.
Agreed, and I think it’s great to remain skeptical, especially about details that aren’t directly tied to the crime (as far as we know). This is one of those aspects of the case that I feel tends to be overblown, particularly since there’s no clear answer now and likely never will be.

I agree that the paintbrush was probably inserted to mask prior sexual abuse and my guess has always been that it was an attempt to remove JBR's hymen but are you suggesting Burke at age not quite ten possessed the level of sophistication and sexual awareness to have figured it out that JBR would have a shriveled hymen and other evidence of prior abuse that would be evident at autopsy and that in order to escape detection he needed to penetrate her with a paintbrush handle? If Burke is responsible for this act where is his physical evidence? Why is it John who's fibers link him? Only dark and dark blue fibers were discovered. The "dark blue" fibers were described as consistent with a cotton towel. The "dark" fibers were matched to John's Israeli sweater.
It seems there may have been a misunderstanding of what I wrote, or perhaps I wasn’t quite clear in my explanation. Let me try to clarify my point.

We agree that the SA that occurred the night of JBR’s death was likely part of a cover-up tied to prior SA—whether ongoing or having happened previously. I fully believe JR could have been responsible for the prior abuse, and after the accidental head blow by BR, he would have realized he needed to cover for himself to avoid being caught with a dead, abused child in his home. That would have been catastrophic for the entire family. However, BR accidentally hitting her still fits into this scenario. If the head blow was purely an accident and they believed JBR was still alive, a logical parent would have called the police. But if JR (or anyone) had been abusing her, and that would inevitably come to light, a cover-up becomes far more plausible.

Another possibility is that BR had been "experimenting" with JBR—not in a sexually motivated way but potentially acting out things he’d seen on TV, heard at school, or didn’t fully understand. Young children sometimes imitate without realizing the gravity of their actions. (SA between young siblings, while rare, does happen—studies show it accounts for about 3-5% of reported child sexual abuse cases. I’m happy to provide more details or sources if needed.) In this scenario, I believe the parents may have been aware that something inappropriate was happening but chose to deal with it internally rather than risk embarrassment, scandal, or judgment. Instead of protecting JBR and getting help for BR, they kept it quiet.

Imagine their position: a son had been involved in abusing their daughter under their own roof, and now that same son had accidentally caused her death. Regardless of intent, this would have been a scandal of unimaginable proportions. Police would likely look at JR first, forcing him to either blame BR or take the fall himself. For a wealthy, respected family obsessed with their public image, this scenario would have felt like a death sentence.

In both of these scenarios, the parents’ reasoning for covering up JBR’s death isn’t far-fetched—it actually becomes disturbingly understandable. The choice to stage the scene, while rare in similar cases, was rooted in narcissism, self-preservation, and a desperate effort to protect their family image, wealth, and themselves from any criminal or negligent implications.

What’s particularly interesting—and something I mentioned in my previous post—is the Grand Jury indictments. The Grand Jury found probable cause to believe the family knowingly placed JBR in an unsafe situation leading to her death and "abetted" the cover-up. This could point directly to both the JR abuse theory or the BR “experimentation” scenario. Either way, the cover-up reflects a family protecting themselves at all costs, even in the face of such tragedy.

I hope this explanation is clearer now, but feel free to let me know if not!
 
The bowl need not be dirty. If Patsy or Burke was responsible for the chore of putting clean dishes away, the person completing that chore would leave their fingerprints on a clean bowl in the cupboard.
Agreed, a good point and certainly no disagreement from me here! It's possible PR unloaded the clean bowls, and BR grabbed one that night to make his late-night snack. Regardless, these are just minor details that don’t impact the overall theory.
 
This is perfectly stated, and I agree with you almost entirely! I believe all the evidence clearly points to a parental cover-up.

What happened before that is where we have to theorize—and we may never truly know. Personally, I lean toward the BDI (Burke Did It) theory, as I find it hard to believe the parents would cover for each other or intentionally plan something like this. That said, we have no idea what was happening behind closed doors, so it doesn’t mean that scenario is impossible; I just can’t offer much more there.

Where I think the case becomes even more significant is with the evidence of previous SA. I believe this detail is central to everything that happened. If members of the family knew about the prior abuse—regardless of who was responsible—it would mean that finding JonBenét’s body would implicate the family no matter what, even if the head blow was accidental. This, to me, explains why a cover-up became necessary. From there, multiple theories can stem as to how and why they agreed that staging the scene was their best option.
Jon Benet was a victim of sexual abuse days, months (?) before she was murdered. That is where the investigation should begin IMO. After listening to the excellent podcast by Cynic rebuffing numerous, at times ridiculous
misinformation with the facts, I am now persuaded, so far, (along with Dr Wechts book) that her SA was from an adult(s) male.
Additionally I just finished glancing at “The Bonito Papers” Towards the end some of the evidence is listed:
1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.

2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.

3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.

4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.

5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.

6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.

7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.

8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.

9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.

10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.
Agree that parents are responsible Also think that ground zero in investigation is the SA of JonBenet Ramsey. Dr Wecht stated (from a recently republished piece from archive/Vanity Fair) that should JB have been admitted to ER, her father would have been arrested immediately. Arndt (who attended the autopsy) and Dr Wecht have both spoken about the evident trauma observed regarding her SA.

After listening to “Cynic” excellent podcast rebuffing misinformation with facts, those facts indicate to me that her SA was most likely from adult(s) over a period of time, which may have escalated (prior to her death) on the early evening of December 17th following Jon Benets participation of her final beauty pageant.
Those three infamous phone calls all made within minutes of each other, from the Ramsey landline, attributed to Patsy, to Dr Beuf, who noted the phone calls in his records. Did something occur? Or not? But it’s intriguing.

Additionally…. the suitcase under the window in the cellar and its contents. If you put all the baffling aspects of this murder together, to me, that suitcase and its contents is the most weird…and when considering the horrific murder of a child that was SA, a suitcase with contents containing semen is definitely of interest.
The Bonito Papers, toward the tail end, states CBI found semen on the suitcase and its contents.
I had read about the contents (Duvet) but not ON the suitcase…
Also the “adult” Dr Seuss book (The Lady Godiva’s?) whose exact title have not been able to confirm from official records.
It is widely accepted that JARs alibis concerning the murder of his step-sister are solid, one could even say he is over alibied… however, the suitcase and its contents really bugs me….
Is it far fetched to believe (if thinking the parents are responsible) they knew about the suitcase and its contents? And then there is that latent fingerprint (palm print?) on the wine cellar door that belongs to JAR. The other two belong to Patsy.
If that suitcase with its contents had been used to dispose of JB, only to be discovered months later…how would that have affected the life of JAR? They left the suitcase in the cellar…that was a choice.

About the pineapple. I believe there is a photo of that bowl, empty, with a fresh pineapple sitting beside it from the Ramsey Christmas Party… Will find it for context.
 
I agree that this is a possibility, though it remains speculative. That said, it doesn’t diminish the questions surrounding his involvement. The very fact that he didn’t go downstairs raises valid concerns, regardless of the reasoning behind it.


I agree with the facts you’ve laid out, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on this point. After watching videos of his interviews, reading the full transcripts, and listening to expert analysis, I personally don’t believe enough was done. That said, I can’t pretend to know how you thoroughly question a 9-year-old in such a situation, so I can’t argue that point too strongly.

That being said, his contradictions and behavior, to me, suggested a strong possibility that he wasn’t entirely forthcoming. Of course, I don’t have any physical evidence to back that up—this is just my personal opinion based on what I’ve reviewed. I completely understand your point!


You are correct, but the reports about fecal smearing behavior are conflicting. Other sources, including forensic pathologist Dr. Werner Spitz and some investigators, have linked this behavior to Burke. Neither Linda Hoffmann-Pugh nor the pathologists and investigators can say for certain—it’s all speculation, as I’ve mentioned. More importantly, this detail holds no real weight in the BDI theory; it neither proves nor disproves it. It’s often brought up as an attempt to paint Burke as “troubled,” even though it definitely shouldn’t be. In the context of the BDI scenario, this is simply a distraction from the central point: accidents happen. In the context of my BDI theory, I’m in no way arguing that Burke had any malicious intent that night.


My thoughts above—on another note, isn’t it unbelievable that this wasn’t collected for testing, especially in a crime scene like this? It’s absolutely baffling!


Agreed, and I think it’s great to remain skeptical, especially about details that aren’t directly tied to the crime (as far as we know). This is one of those aspects of the case that I feel tends to be overblown, particularly since there’s no clear answer now and likely never will be.


It seems there may have been a misunderstanding of what I wrote, or perhaps I wasn’t quite clear in my explanation. Let me try to clarify my point.

We agree that the SA that occurred the night of JBR’s death was likely part of a cover-up tied to prior SA—whether ongoing or having happened previously. I fully believe JR could have been responsible for the prior abuse, and after the accidental head blow by BR, he would have realized he needed to cover for himself to avoid being caught with a dead, abused child in his home. That would have been catastrophic for the entire family. However, BR accidentally hitting her still fits into this scenario. If the head blow was purely an accident and they believed JBR was still alive, a logical parent would have called the police. But if JR (or anyone) had been abusing her, and that would inevitably come to light, a cover-up becomes far more plausible.

Another possibility is that BR had been "experimenting" with JBR—not in a sexually motivated way but potentially acting out things he’d seen on TV, heard at school, or didn’t fully understand. Young children sometimes imitate without realizing the gravity of their actions. (SA between young siblings, while rare, does happen—studies show it accounts for about 3-5% of reported child sexual abuse cases. I’m happy to provide more details or sources if needed.) In this scenario, I believe the parents may have been aware that something inappropriate was happening but chose to deal with it internally rather than risk embarrassment, scandal, or judgment. Instead of protecting JBR and getting help for BR, they kept it quiet.

Imagine their position: a son had been involved in abusing their daughter under their own roof, and now that same son had accidentally caused her death. Regardless of intent, this would have been a scandal of unimaginable proportions. Police would likely look at JR first, forcing him to either blame BR or take the fall himself. For a wealthy, respected family obsessed with their public image, this scenario would have felt like a death sentence.

In both of these scenarios, the parents’ reasoning for covering up JBR’s death isn’t far-fetched—it actually becomes disturbingly understandable. The choice to stage the scene, while rare in similar cases, was rooted in narcissism, self-preservation, and a desperate effort to protect their family image, wealth, and themselves from any criminal or negligent implications.

What’s particularly interesting—and something I mentioned in my previous post—is the Grand Jury indictments. The Grand Jury found probable cause to believe the family knowingly placed JBR in an unsafe situation leading to her death and "abetted" the cover-up. This could point directly to both the JR abuse theory or the BR “experimentation” scenario. Either way, the cover-up reflects a family protecting themselves at all costs, even in the face of such tragedy.

I hope this explanation is clearer now, but feel free to let me know if not!
Yeh- the Grand Jury said “knowingly” Would love to know how they came up with that because to me that could mean, prior history of danger.
 
1. The evidence points to the parents. Both John and Patsy are linked to very specific elements of the crime by their physical evidence in the form of fibers.
I agree. Evidence points to the parents. But that does not mean that there is no way that Burke could have hit her on the head and starting the whole thing.
2. All in law enforcement believed a parent was responsible although they disagreed on which particular parent. Linda Arndt implied in her 2000 sworn deposition that Boulder Social Services agreed with her conclusion John Ramsey was responsible for sexual abuse and murder. Susanne Bernhard, the child psychologist who questioned Burke was part of Boulder Social Services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.
There are many ways in witch a parent could be responsible in this crime. I see that both parents were responsible for all the elements involving the cover up. But I can not see any evidence that proves in any way that Burke was not responsible for the head blow. There is no one who has stated as a fact that Burke could not have done it, and proven that statement. Again, there are only opinions and no opinion should be regarded as less important than other, when there is no factual evidence to support one way or the other. If we want to eliminate someone, we have to have facts to support it on. All three were in the house, so all three could play part in this crime. IMO
3. Steve Thomas stated he didn't believe Burke knew anything. Fred Patterson, the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, stated he didn't think Burke knew anything. Investigators are trained to spot signs of deception.
I also think that Burke did not know anything about the cover up part.
And at 9-years-old (and I think that years later too) he did not connect the head-blow to the kidnapping of his sister.

I believe he was there and caused the head blow. Not meaning it to be so severe and in any way thinking that it killed JB. It was not intentional, he just was angry and acted in the moment with what probably was in his reach or in his hands (flashlight). Just like a child would.

I believe that after he tried to wake JB up and couldn't do so, he called for his parents to come and explained in shock what had happened. He then was sent to his room/bed because he was in shock and crying/panicking about what happened (JB falling down and not waking up) and his parents did not have the time to deal with that or console him, so he was sent away to his room. He stayed there the whole night and was woken in the morning by the screaming when Patsy called 911. That's when he came down. He heard her mother say " .. just found a note" and asked his father "What did you find?" because he really did not know about the note and what was going on. The question was genuine. John replied to him "We are not speaking to you" and probably told him to go back to his room so that he would not be in the way and ask questions.

In some point later they must have talked to him and and when he asked how JB was after the accident - did she wake up and what happened after he had gone to bed, they explained to him that JB was OK - she woke up a little later and everything was fine. That they all went to bed too and a kidnapper came to their house and took her in the middle of the night. Why would he not believe that? He was a 9-year-old child and would have believed his parents told the truth. He would not think of any reason why they would lie about it.

They told him to stay in his room and later sent him away so he would not talk about the head blow in the presence of the police. And that is all he knew at that time and maybe for years later.

You have to see this version as a possibility too. I see no reason why it could not have happened that way.
4. Investigator Kolar did NOT work the case. He reviewed available evidence while working briefly for the Boulder DA in 2005. He self-published his book, Foreign Faction. Parts of Kolar's book are cribbed from Steve Thomas' account. No other member of law enforcement believed Burke was responsible for the homicide. Read Kolar's book carefully and you'll find evidence pointing away from Burke and toward Patsy.
And they too have the right for their opinion. Again, I see no factual evidence to conclude that their theories and ideas should be diminished or taken as a joke. They should be taken with the same credibility as any other theory out there that could not be proven as impossible.
5. There is zero evidence to suggest the grand jury believed BDI and in fact there is evidence to suggest the grand jury was handed a PDI scenario. The accessory and placing JBR in a dangerous situation charges likely refer to John and Patsy placing JBR in a dangerous situation with EACH OTHER and acting as accessories to EACH OTHER.
Unless we know exactly what grand jury had decided, it too is only an opinion.
6. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke went around getting poop on JBR's belongings. One former maid claimed Burke got bodily waste once on a bathroom wall when he was 6, shortly after Patsy's cancer diagnosis. Poop was found on a candy box belonging to JBR but the box wasn't collected which means it couldn't have been tested. Since the box was in JBR's bedroom and JBR was known to put poop places it wasn't supposed to be, it's a safe bet JBR got poop on the box.
I agree. There is no evidence around to support this. There are only stories and observations. In my understanding, neither the pants or the candy box were taken in as evidence or have been tested, so the right thing to conclude would not be that it must have been JB who got poop on the box, but rather - we do not know if there in fact were feces and who did those feces belong to.
7. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke was caught previously being inappropriate with JBR. This very frequently repeated internet rumor got started when the info appeared in a tabloid article. The source remained anonymous and no one claimed to have seen anything beyond Burke and JBR playing underneath a blanket fort.
I agree. Again, we only have stories and observations but no factual evidence. But it could be one of both - rumor or a fact - we do not know witch is correct so it should not be presented as neither. All the stories/observations in this case (and there are many) should still be considered as possibilities. They just should not be taken as facts.
8. There is zero evidence to suggest Burke struck JBR with a golf club on purpose. Steve Thomas believed the strike was accidental. The clip was to her cheek which would fit with her having walked into a back swing. One former friend, Judith Phillips, said Patsy told her Burke did it on purpose. Phillips told this story decades later.
I agree again - there is no evidence to suggest neither way. All we have here again are opinions. We should consider both as possibilities.
9. There is nothing childlike about object rape. Adult males are capable of accessing foreign objects for the purposes of sexual penetration. Both Kolar and Thomas use the lack of semen and evidence pointing toward an object and in particular the paintbrush handle having been used in the sexual assault as proof of that John, an adult male, wasn't involved although ST's conclusion is that the perpetrator is Patsy. There is no evidence in the form of research (I've looked) to support this.
All we know is that there was SA happening to JB at least 10 days prior to her murder. We also have evidence of SA happening to her in some time period shortly before her murder. "Shortly" is a quite broad concept. All we know as a fact (all though, even this could still be disputed) is that she was sexually assaulted sometime between her last bath and the time she was strangled, as we have forensic evidence to support that. But, that time period, although referred as "short", could still be 24 hours. IMO it should be considered a possibility that no SA happened during the staging and that the SA is apart from the crime itself.

There is also no forensic or factual evidence, that proves without a doubt, that the paint brush was used as an object for SA.
10. That Burke's along with Patsy's prints are on the pineapple bowl only means he touched the bowl at some point. He didn't even necessarily eat out of it. He could simply have pushed it out of the way. He lived there. We only know at about what time JBR ingested a piece of the pineapple. According to ST, one of the responding officers remembered a larger container of pineapple being in the fridge. JBR could even have gotten the piece she took out of the fridge. We don't know.
I agree. I believe that the pineapple is just a pineapple in this case. We know who's prints are on the bowl and there are many ways how they could have gotten there. We do not know who besides JB ate or didn't eat the pineapple or who was/wasn't present at the time. Only thing the pineapple gives to us is the timing - we know pineapple was eaten by JB after they arrived home frim the Whites. Witch means she was up and alive after arriving home. We do not know more and really, it IMO does not even matter in solving this case.
 
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I agree. Evidence points to the parents. But that does not mean that there is no way that Burke could have hit her on the head and starting the whole thing.

There are many ways in witch a parent could be responsible in this crime. I see that both parents were responsible for all the elements involving the cover up. But I can not see any evidence that proves in any way that Burke was not responsible for the head blow. There is no one who has stated as a fact that Burke could not have done it, and proven that statement. Again, there are only opinions and no opinion should be regarded as less important than other, when there is no factual evidence to support one way or the other. If we want to eliminate someone, we have to have facts to support it on. All three were in the house, so all three could play part in this crime. IMO

I also think that Burke did not know anything about the cover up part.
And at 9-years-old (and I think that years later too) he did not connect the head-blow to the kidnapping of his sister.

I believe he was there and caused the head blow. Not meaning it to be so severe and in any way thinking that it killed JB. It was not intentional, he just was angry and acted in the moment with what probably was in his reach or in his hands (flashlight). Just like a child would.

I believe that after he tried to wake JB up and couldn't do so, he called for his parents to come and explained in shock what had happened. He then was sent to his room/bed because he was in shock and crying/panicking about what happened (JB falling down and not waking up) and his parents did not have the time to deal with that or console him, so he was sent away to his room. He stayed there the whole night and was woken in the morning by the screaming when Patsy called 911. That's when he came down. He heard her mother say " .. just found a note" and asked his father "What did you find?" because he really did not know about the note and what was going on. The question whas genuine. John replied to him honestly "We are not speaking to you" and probably told him to go back to his room.
Later they must have talked to him and and when he asked how JB was after the accident, did she wake up and what happened after he had gone to bed, they explained to him that JB was OK - she woke up a little later and everything was fine. They all went to bed and a kidnapper came to their house and took her in the middle of the night. They told him to stay in his room and later sent him away so he would not talk about the head blow in the presence of the police. And that is all he knew at that time and maybe for years later.

You have to see this version as a possibility too. I see no reason why it could not have happened that way.

And they too have the right for their opinion. Again, I see no factual evidence to conclude that their theories and ideas should be diminished or taken as a joke. They should be taken with the same credibility as any other theory out there that could not be proven as impossible.

Unless we know exactly what grand jury had decided, it too is only an opinion.

I agree. There is no evidence around to support this. There are only stories and observations. In my understanding, neither the pants or the candy box were taken in as evidence or have been tested, so the right thing to conclude would not be that it must have been JB who got poop on the box, but rather - we do not know if there in fact were feces and who did those feces belong to.

I agree. Again, we only have stories and observations but no factual evidence. But it could be one of both - rumor or a fact - we do not know witch is correct so it should not be presented as neither. All the stories/observations in this case (and there are many) should still be considered. They just should not be taken as facts.

I agree again - there is no evidence to suggest neither way. All we have here again are opinions. We should consider both as possibilities.

All we know is that there was SA happening to JB at least 10 days prior to her murder. We also have evidence of SA happening to her in some time period shortly before her murder. "Shortly" is a quite broad concept. All we know as a fact 8althogh even this could still be disputed) is that she was sexually assaulted sometime between her last bath and the time she was strangled, as we have forensic evidence to support that. But, that time period, although referred as "short", could still be 24 hours. IMO it should be considered a possibility that no SA happened during the staging.
There is also no forensic or factual evidence, that proves without a doubt, that the paint brush was used as an object for SA.

I agree. I believe that the pineapple is just a pineapple in this case. We know who's prints are on them and there are many ways how they could have gotten there. We do not know who besides JB ate or didn't eat the pineapple. Only thing the pineapple gives to us is the timing - we know pineapple was eaten by JB after they arrived home frim the Whites. Witch means she was up and alive after arriving home. We do not know more and really, it IMO does not even matter in solving this case.
I agree with a large part of your theory. That this murder is a family affair. That forensic evidence includes both parents. But, I always get stumped on the (for lack of a better word) choreography of her murder. Burke is triggered. Hits his sister flashlight/bat/golf club. She is rendered unconscious. Panics. Parents try to revive her - bath ?. They think she is dead? According to Arndt and Dr Wecht the SA injuries were visible. That cancels ER/911. So they redress her - use the large underwear because it is clean, not stained and in the basement? Wipe off the blood on both upper thighs. Configure the ligature, with three different knots, grab a paintbrush from Patsys art kit that is just inside the door, break it and use part of it as a handle for the ligature and part to desecrate their child’s body place the cord on their child, while she is on her stomach and tighten the cord that results in her strangulation. She releases the contents of her bladder which causes a large stain in her longjohns and those large underwear as well as the basement carpet. She is dragged by her hands into the wine room etc. Maybe they hatch a plan to put her body in the suitcase, (forensics) but they break the window glass attempting to remove the suitcase through that window. They remove the body of JonBenet, wrap her in a white blanket and forget that her blood stained favorite Barbie nightgown is next to her. Also keep in mind that should the suitcase plot been successful, the body of Jon Benet would be covered with the semen stained duvet and suitcase belonging to her older stepbrother, forever….along with an “adult Dr Seuss book” known to some as the Lady Godiva book with T&A illustrations.
Parents cause the deaths of their children. By murder or accident. That’s what the experts agree on. But this crime is so repugnant, so awful. I can toss around theories and what not for days, but considering how this child was murdered defies belief. However, what surrounded JonBenet and her family that December were a set of extraordinary circumstances…but I am still left with what the hell hsppened?
 
I agree with a large part of your theory. That this murder is a family affair. That forensic evidence includes both parents. But, I always get stumped on the (for lack of a better word) choreography of her murder. Burke is triggered. Hits his sister flashlight/bat/golf club. She is rendered unconscious. Panics. Parents try to revive her - bath ?. They think she is dead? According to Arndt and Dr Wecht the SA injuries were visible. That cancels ER/911. So they redress her - use the large underwear because it is clean, not stained and in the basement? Wipe off the blood on both upper thighs. Configure the ligature, with three different knots, grab a paintbrush from Patsys art kit that is just inside the door, break it and use part of it as a handle for the ligature and part to desecrate their child’s body place the cord on their child, while she is on her stomach and tighten the cord that results in her strangulation. She releases the contents of her bladder which causes a large stain in her longjohns and those large underwear as well as the basement carpet. She is dragged by her hands into the wine room etc. Maybe they hatch a plan to put her body in the suitcase, (forensics) but they break the window glass attempting to remove the suitcase through that window. They remove the body of JonBenet, wrap her in a white blanket and forget that her blood stained favorite Barbie nightgown is next to her. Also keep in mind that should the suitcase plot been successful, the body of Jon Benet would be covered with the semen stained duvet and suitcase belonging to her older stepbrother, forever….along with an “adult Dr Seuss book” known to some as the Lady Godiva book with T&A illustrations.
Parents cause the deaths of their children. By murder or accident. That’s what the experts agree on. But this crime is so repugnant, so awful. I can toss around theories and what not for days, but considering how this child was murdered defies belief. However, what surrounded JonBenet and her family that December were a set of extraordinary circumstances…but I am still left with what the hell hsppened?
IMO I think they must have believed that she was dead to do all the covering up. I really do not see a parent with no violent tendencies or an aggressive past being capable of murdering their child when she was well and alive. Not in their family. Although I know of many who believe that this was a case of parental rage, I somehow do not feel that. To me it just makes more sense when I think that they did not see any visible signs of life in her after the head blow. That would have made it possible for them to strangle her, for the purposes of creating the "monster".
The SA signs were visible only if they looked for them - they did not show on her clothing as there was no blood on her long johns. IMO the SA was not part of the cover up. I see more possible reasons why the 911 call didn't happen than only the SA (mutual decision concerning their reputation; wanting to be victims; saving Burke from knowing he killed his sister).

We do not know if they actually redressed her. She might have done it herself at some point after they arrived home from the Whites. I see a 6-year-old redressing herself in those large underwear, as I wrote in another posts comment. I don't think she would have minded that they were too big - the long johns held them up for her.

Wiping up the blood on the tights again is not something that we can connect with the cover up. It could have happened long before the crime - at home, at Whites. All we know is that it happened after her last bath, because of the blood visible with the UV light. So we do not know that the parents did that and we do not know that the parents were, as a fact, aware of that (as we do not know for a fact who abused her).

I believe they did wrap her up in her favorite blanket because that is what a parent would do. Especially a mother. I do not see them dragging her by the arms, but rather carefully placing her there, tucked in her soft blanket. The nightgown is again something that we do not know why it was there and how it got there. There is speculation about it clinging to the blanket, but it is not a fact. It could also be that they (or Patsy) wanted to redress her in that but that thought was discarded for some reason so they just left the night gown. Again there are many possibilities. The blood stains on the gown are also not proven to be connected to the crime. They could have gotten there before. The detectives questioned the parents about weather JB had nosebleeds. Or maybe they got there from some previous SA. We do not know.
And IMO the suitcase and its contents are also not connected to the crime. Looking at the basement and all the stuff there, the suitcase just might have found its place where it was randomly. We don't know for sure of course, but I do not see them wanting to get rid of their daughters body, if it all was just an accident never meant to happen.

Unfortunately all we can do is toss around those theories. Some more believed, some less. But thinking along those theories helps us see things from a different perspective, and maybe consider possibilities that we would not have thought of ourselves. We can not prove more facts that are already proven, but we can help point them out for those who need them to learn about this case.
 
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There is as much evidence pointing to Burke as there is evidence pointing to an intruder. The likelihood of an intruder committing this crime, based on the evidence that has been made public, is as likely as that Burke committed this crime. I disagree that all theories are equal or that we should be required to pretend they are.

I disagree that Kolar's take on the evidence should be treated equally to Steve Thomas' take on the evidence. Steve Thomas worked as lead investigator on the case. Thomas met with and interviewed Patsy at length. Kolar worked very briefly for the Boulder DA for a few months, 8 yrs. post homicide.

I disagree that Kolar's take on the evidence should be treated equally to Linda Arndt's take on the evidence. Arndt was present at the time the body was recovered and at the autopsy. It was stated in Arndt's 2000 sworn deposition that the Boulder department of social services agreed with her conclusions. The child abuse investigator, Holly Smith and the child psychologist who interviewed Burke at length, Susanne Bernhard, were part of Boulder social services. Detective Arndt was an experienced sex crimes investigator.

I think it is important to note that multiple trained investigators talked to and reviewed interviews of Burke and concluded he knew nothing. They did not believe Burke delivered the blow to the head.

Blood was present in JBR's vulva area and underpants crotch. The underpants were a size 12 and had been purchased for Patsy's 12 yr. old niece. The most likely scenario, based on this evidence is that SA took place very shortly before the underpants being placed on JBR and that the underpants were placed on the body by an adult as part of staging.

I believe evidence suggests the head blow occurred in JBR's bed/bathroom area. I base this on; JBR's party pants, vest and boots being in a heap on her bedroom floor, her toilet containing waste, a pair of her pants being inside out on her bathroom floor, a diaper package being pulled partway off of her shelf, a trophy having been knocked off of her top shelf, the top Patsy claimed to have put JBR to bed in being on top of JBR's bathroom sink and strands of green garland matching the green garland that adorned the spiral staircase being in her hair.

I do not support the Burke theory.
 
When you find an unconscious child you call for help. Even if you think they are dead. Patsy had called for help before and had dutifully taken her daughter to her pediatrician numerous times. Just because you cannot revive an unconscious person is a flimsy excuse to assume death without medical intervention. So, the only reason that makes sense to me, is her SA, which Dr Wecht stated would have caused the father to be arrested immediately. I’m not sure at all that it would be solely based on internal examination, but that external signs of assault would have caused an internal examination. In other words, because of her trauma/SA I don’t believe she would look like a normal six year old. Especially after considering the autopsy notes from Cynics podcast. She was assaulted that night and had been SA for at least 10 days. But I suspect much longer. This is ground zero to me. Not accidental death, but the coverup of SA. Her death had to be explained- but so did the evidence of SA.
 

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