LP's Confidence

[Pondering Mind]

LP has a restless mind, he is continually re-assessing his theory as new data and info comes in. So yes, that sounds like BS. At first your theories are based on little data and are less credible. As you analyze and shape them they become better, more solid. He is willing to throw something out and completely re-think it. Willing to be wrong.

To me, I applaud LP because in his half-assed manner he may yet stumble on something and find Caylee. Like the discussion tonight on the possibility of storm drains. Radical alternative thinking.

Also, even though TES searched the water with side sonar what's the harm with having some divers in there groping around. Sometimes we rely too heavily on technology for technology's sake and a human could trip over something. You never know.

At least LP is trying, give him some credit and history can judge him later.

ITA! What in the world is the harm of him searching again? What is the downside, other than pizzing Cindy off. Can't say I'm worried about that in the least, I don't believe that she wants Caylee found, to be honest. :furious:

 

[okiedokietoo]

These men are all good-hearted men.

Don't be so hard on them for their wanting to help in different ways.

At least they aren't sitting under a tent in a parking lot somewhere with a collection jar like a bunch of glorified panhandlers.

If you want to get mad then get mad at the people who have never lifted one finger to help find this baby or anyone else for that matter.

I agree that they are all good-hearted men.

 

[essies]

LP has a restless mind, he is continually re-assessing his theory as new data and info comes in. So yes, that sounds like BS. At first your theories are based on little data and are less credible. As you analyze and shape them they become better, more solid. He is willing to throw something out and completely re-think it. Willing to be wrong.

To me, I applaud LP because in his half-assed manner he may yet stumble on something and find Caylee. Like the discussion tonight on the possibility of storm drains. Radical alternative thinking.

Also, even though TES searched the water with side sonar what's the harm with having some divers in there groping around. Sometimes we rely too heavily on technology for technology's sake and a human could trip over something. You never know.

At least LP is trying, give him some credit and history can judge him later.

It's very possible we will never find Caylee and we will just have to start to realize that even if we don't find her remains, she is not lost! She is home! She is where she is warm, loved, and wrapped in the arms of our Father-
who will not let this go unpunished. Vengence is His to dole out the way He wants, and it will a far worse punishment than we could ever exact for whatever happened to the newest angel in Heaven.
If Caylee is never found (but, I pray she is) it does not mean she will not have justice-it just means justice may be delayed. As angry as KC and the Anthony's have made me(and I know made countless others), I don't want to be standing anywhere close to them when KARMA comes raining down!!

 

[reefshadow]

SOB= scroll on by.

Reefshadow sit on back is cute/

LULZ, I've been sitting on my back all day.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Was reported on Fox today regarding LP's search @ Blanchard that he's working on a timeline w/ 6/25 being key date for disposal alleging virtually an entire day of no cell activity. This may or may not be attributed to erroneous reporting, but, thought it worthwhile to post in a few places the filtered cell activity that shows the 6/15-7/17 period and all times >8hrs that are framed by cell actions that required someone to be in attendance of the phone (e.g. includes outgoing & answered calls, excludes incoming texts, etc.)

The line that contains the TBA (time between attendance in hours) entry in the far right-hand column starts the period of potential unattended activity and the line that immediately follows it ends the period. The cell ping entry shows where the phone was located for these markers.

Also posting on the cell log sticky thread FWIW. Just providing some granularity to compare to the broad statement reported regarding cell inactivity.

 

[drumstick]

I don't think redirecting our anger is really the healthy thing to do. I also think people have every right to be upset and to voice their thoughts and feelings regarding what is going on.

Upset about what?

Maybe we should start a new thread "What are you so upset about?"

Hundreds of people signed up with TES and searched for Caylee and Jennifer including myself.
Are you upset with us for not finding her?

LP has put up with more bs than most people would ever tolerate.
Are you upset with him and Rob for still trying?

Tim Miller has launched three massive searches and not one single family member from either family offered him public support or showed up to express any kind of appreciation for the volunteers who did show up at their own considerable expense out of pocket.

Maybe I'm trying to redirect my own anger?
Try having spiders as big as your hand stuck in your hair just to find out that your efforts aren't appreciated.

 

[TakeNote]

Was reported on Fox today regarding LP's search @ Blanchard that he's working on a timeline w/ 6/25 being key date for disposal alleging virtually an entire day of no cell activity. This may or may not be attributed to erroneous reporting, but, thought it worthwhile to post in a few places the filtered cell activity that shows the 6/15-7/17 period and all times >8hrs that are framed by cell actions that required someone to be in attendance of the phone (e.g. includes outgoing & answered calls, excludes incoming texts, etc.)

The line that contains the TBA (time between attendance in hours) entry in the far right-hand column starts the period of potential unattended activity and the line that immediately follows it ends the period. The cell ping entry shows where the phone was located for these markers.

Also posting on the cell log sticky thread FWIW. Just providing some granularity to compare to the broad statement reported regarding cell inactivity.

could you tell me what you are thinking by this? Im so tired...been up all night....thanks

 

[BondJamesBond]

could you tell me what you are thinking by this? Im so tired...been up all night....thanks

Only pointing out what appears now to be inaccuracy in the reporting. LP commented this morning before the prayer service about his theory involving a 6/25 disposal. His comments today narrowed to a window of a few hours.

As has been the case in the past with LP's statements, or the press' characterization of them, regarding cell activity, general statements or errors can be misleading. I'm not suggesting intent to mislead...only trying to shed some light on details that we have on the cell logs to prevent confusion from these general statements/errors.

Also not trying to support or detract from LP's theories either. Everyone is welcome to their own theory. I just wanted to give WS's the benefit of info we have to minimize confusion. Oft times statements of speculation made with confidence in order to influence/convince the listner(s) come across as statements of fact too...and thought it'd save WS's time if they thought there was an entire day of cell inactivity on 6/25 as was originally reported.

Hope that helps.

 

[GirlinCentralFL]

Depends on who you ask.

According to LP, the FBI is right there along side him and has turned the Blanchard search over to him

Ask the local FBI and there is a resounding NO.

I think if the FBI was involved we would have seen FBI on the shirts and jackets plus dive gear. They like to make there presence known so it would be quite obvious if they were there. IMHO.

 

[Deputy Andy]

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing with either of you, and I am not trying to sway you over to my way of thinking. I don't think I am right and you are wrong, nothing like that at all. I actually think it is a little amusing how people can have such opposite reactions to the same thing.
LP annoys me. Everytime he comes on, I just think he is so full of doodoo. I have a lot of respect for him coming in on this search, getting so many others involved, putting up some financing, all that I think is great. It's just when I watch NG, and she announces he's coming up, I get the same feelings I do when they are talking with psychics. JMO, carry on.
Lanie

I agree with you completely about LP, although he is a very colorful character to have involved in this case.

 

[Spyglass]

Only pointing out what appears now to be inaccuracy in the reporting. LP commented this morning before the prayer service about his theory involving a 6/25 disposal. His comments today narrowed to a window of a few hours.

As has been the case in the past with LP's statements, or the press' characterization of them, regarding cell activity, general statements or errors can be misleading. I'm not suggesting intent to mislead...only trying to shed some light on details that we have on the cell logs to prevent confusion from these general statements/errors.

Also not trying to support or detract from LP's theories either. Everyone is welcome to their own theory. I just wanted to give WS's the benefit of info we have to minimize confusion. Oft times statements of speculation made with confidence in order to influence/convince the listner(s) come across as statements of fact too...and thought it'd save WS's time if they thought there was an entire day of cell inactivity on 6/25 as was originally reported.

Hope that helps.

Bond, thanks for all your hard work!

One question: there is the possibility that KC with her CSI habit knew not to have the cell with her at the crucial point when she was disposing of little Caylee. Is there any way you are aware of that LE or LP might have access to records or have interpretted their records to show this crucial point in time.
(For example, they might have witnesses who saw her in one place at specific time, but the cell was pinging at a tower in a different location from where she was seen.)

 

[TexasLil]

I agree with you completely about LP, although he is a very colorful character to have involved in this case.

Although I admire anyone who would continue the search effort beyond TES's final attempt, I feel he has lost credibility by suggesting exact places where Caylee will be found and changing his theory multiple times about the day the body was dumped.

If you look at Bond's post above LP's statement regarding 6/25 can not be supported by the cell phone pings. However I did watch anxiously many times yesterday when the divers were in the river. Every part of me wants Caylee found so she can have a decent burial.

IMO

 

[What'sThatClue]

I'm just wondering about the cross and beads. If someone else put it there, why haven't they come forward? Strange that they wouldn't have heard about it by now.

 

[SCHTown]

So are divers in the water, or did LP call off the search?? Been out of the loop for a bit.

 

[Janis396]

Although I admire anyone who would continue the search effort beyond TES's final attempt, I feel he has lost credibility by suggesting exact places where Caylee will be found and changing his theory multiple times about the day the body was dumped.

If you look at Bond's post above LP's statement regarding 6/25 can not be supported by the cell phone pings. However I did watch anxiously many times yesterday when the divers were in the river. Every part of me wants Caylee found so she can have a decent burial.

IMO

Even if there's the very slightest chance, wouldn't you want it searched?
Yes, LP has changed his theories on what happened - but so have a lot of us! It makes sense as more and more detailed information is given to us, that ideas and theories change. The man is out there, giving his time and money to look for Caylee. I can't find any fault in that at all. I don't care if he gets media attention or not, his objective is to find her so she doesn't forever remain thrown away like trash. JMHO.

 

[TexasLil]

Even if there's the very slightest chance, wouldn't you want it searched?
Yes, LP has changed his theories on what happened - but so have a lot of us! It makes sense as more and more detailed information is given to us, that ideas and theories change. The man is out there, giving his time and money to look for Caylee. I can't find any fault in that at all. I don't care if he gets media attention or not, his objective is to find her so she doesn't forever remain thrown away like trash. JMHO.

Janis,

I wish they could search every inch of Florida for this sweet little girl. I was only pointing out that sometimes LP's theories don't add up. However, we've all had theories here as well. The difference is we're not on national television where the public is and will scrutinize every move.

As I said in my previous post, I admire anyone who is, has and will continue to search for Caylee.

Lil

 

[okiedokietoo]

LP admitted that he had been calling todays services by the wrong word "memorial" and should have called it a "prayer service". IMO it was a nice Prayer by JG.
It wrapped up the recent searches for Caylee that was done by 1000's of good people IMO

The Anthony's posted on their website and used a familiar word.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006
SPITE
–noun 1. a malicious, usually petty, desire to harm, annoy, frustrate, or humiliate another person; bitter ill will; malice.
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[manatee]

anyone know how to get a hold of LP? I have a hunch about little econ state park

 

[shaz4372]

I hate it that the media and posters are comparing and contrasting TM and LP with one another. The two men are like fire and water. Tim's totally professional approach humbly saturates all hearts with empathy and recruits hundreds of volunteers and contributions to help search. LP's efforts are totally different; he appeals to the drama, funds his own searches and helps to seek support for TM's efforts. Humility and Drama. Not good and bad -- just different people and different approaches working for the same end: find Caylee. Please stop comparing and picking either one apart. Both are trying to find her. If TES finds her they will probably garner more donations to help other missing people; if LP finds her he will increase his own following which will encourage him to help keep looking for missing people. Are either bad?
Our trying to figure out which is right or wrong or best has the potential to be detrimental to either one making further contributions to the outcome we desire -- to find Caylee.
And, sahz, I was there, too. But, if the live chat (which neither LP or TM did) would help get people focused on finding Caylee, it's ok with me. Does our searching give us a special privilege to exclude or include?

No special privilege. Just compassion and discretion for a little girls remains. I watched murts broadcast for maybe 5 minutes and saw all kinds of people just hanging around laughing and smoking, women with they're very small children, most with they're cameras ready to capture the 'find' ---all while the chat room is going nuts with people saying 'what will her body look like when they pull her out?' 'do you think if they find just limbs, they will show it to the camera?' I just thought it was disgusting and that Caylee deserves more than that, she deserves RESPECT.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Bond, thanks for all your hard work!

One question: there is the possibility that KC with her CSI habit knew not to have the cell with her at the crucial point when she was disposing of little Caylee. Is there any way you are aware of that LE or LP might have access to records or have interpretted their records to show this crucial point in time.
(For example, they might have witnesses who saw her in one place at specific time, but the cell was pinging at a tower in a different location from where she was seen.)

Spyglass,

Long answer first....

First, its important to acknowledge that none of these cell analyses would be possible w/o the hard work of TexasLil, GeorgiaPI, Muzikman, ElizaAvalon, Liltigress, JWG, Shadow of My Mind and others. I don't mean to imply that any of them would agree w/ my comments...only that w/o their hard work the basis on which I make most of my judgements would not exist.

Second,

(a) Specific to 6/25, I didn't hear LP make any reference to having any other information to arrive at his conclusion. He commented that Casey's keeping George away from the trunk on 6/24, some cell inactivity on 6/25 and the weather (presuming rain) making the park deserted in one of these periods of inactivity on 6/25...all combining to arrive w/ his theory.

(b) I dunno what other info LE might have. Some have speculated on LE having add'l ping data other than that for activity (e.g. 911 tracking on) that has been released. I dunno. IMHO, they don't have more ping data than we see...perhaps the content of some of the texts we don't have...dunno, but, I suspect if they did the search areas would be pin-pointed, not broad as they have been.

(c) Several have looked for inconsistencies. We have been able to better fix the likely date & time of some events based on the cell data vs. the dates given in statements. I haven't seen any examples of an inconsistency like the example you gave...that's a good one for WS's to chime in on.

Short answer now...

I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that Casey was CSI-savy. In fact, quite the contrary.