MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #5

[bluesneakers]

We need to find out when MM went in the hospital and the circumstances around it.

It just seems like too much of a coincidence MM went into the hospital the week RA was there, which also happened to be two (?) days before the tip was called in.

 

[giagreen]

She is not getting welfare. There is a one year limit where you don 't have to work or go to school for child rearing. She is well past that. If you don't do those things, you are sanctioned until you get no more cash. She would still get vouchers for housing, etc but no cash. She said she got disability, I can't imagine that is much because when would she have worked?

She would not get housing without a child.

I worked with people in poverty for over thirty years. I do not envy their lives. They have to answer intrusive questions about themselves. They have to have inspections of their housing. There are rules as to who can live with them. The amount of cash, where I lived, was $423 for a family of three . Yes, they got subsidized housing, but it could only be in places up to a certain dollar amount. They could not have a more expensive place. I don't know how the landlords got away with it, but most of these places were not places you would set foot in.

RB's place looked decent enough, though.

There are so many issues with poverty that I had to retire early . I could not take the hopelessness of it all although some make it out. The predators on poverty. The Payday loans, for instance. The for profit colleges. Just ugly

Isn't it somethin!!!! I know proverty all to well and it is hopeless. Its all most as bad as a domestic abuse cycle the way it repeats it self. There is all most no getting out of it. And if your born into it good luck with life...its gonna be hard.

 

[human]

Here in CA you can get welfare with a child under 18 look at Octomom. Nadya Suleman. SSI is part of SSA it's income based not like SSDI which is employment based. She hasn't worked so she was probably drawing. It was a like on her FB SSI is a different program. I think most get around $900 a month plus food stamps. With a free apt that's decent money. Also free medical ins. People are known to sell their food stamps for cash.

Her place was very nice for a section 8. She certainly abused the system. I know many in need, people who don't abuse drugs nor with a criminal record who cannot get HUD due to five year waiting list. People like this ruin it for others!!! Drug addicts are not allowed to live in HUD nor is a live in BF only her and Bella who were approved. Felons cannot live there either. Bella was her meal ticket. She DIDNT have a child last few month. She had a nice place and good benefits and really screwed it up along with her daughter being murdered. All her benefits she had was from having Bella. Nor she's worthless scum. I hope her and her scum BF rot in hell.

Welfare is federal.One year of not working or going to school, That is everywhere. But you can get welfare if you work or go to school, School is a six week program.

Clinton revised welfare.

It's all a nightmare and I don't know what the answer is,

I do believe that you lose one kid, you get sterilized, Sorry. Your days of experimenting on a child are over.

 

[gcharlie]

Regarding child services and parents with substance abuse problems, maybe some of you with professional experience can help me out here.

If I understand the law correctly, this becomes a very tricky area. Does CPS have the authority to require drug testing based on suspected use? Even if there is a criminal conviction, does CPS have the authority to require drug testing?

If a parent has a substance abuse problem with alcohol, there is no legal limit set for parenting, unlike the legal limit set for driving.

 

[heartgoesout]

Short and sweet timeline for reference.

http://www.wmur.com/news/timeline-from-baby-doe-to-bella/35392022

 

[bluesneakers]

Short and sweet timeline for reference.

http://www.wmur.com/news/timeline-from-baby-doe-to-bella/35392022

:tyou:

 

[Mollyandme]

Regarding child services and parents with substance abuse problems, maybe some of you with professional experience can help me out here.

If I understand the law correctly, this becomes a very tricky area. Does CPS have the authority to require drug testing based on suspected use? Even if there is a criminal conviction, does CPS have the authority to require drug testing?

If a parent has a substance abuse problem with alcohol, there is no legal limit set for parenting, unlike the legal limit set for driving.

Well I can only speak for the state I worked in, but we would tell them they needed a drug test and most complied. Some would even tell me what they would test positive for. We then had to have them sign consent forms and the whole chain of custody stuff. They had the right to refuse to be drug tested and if they refused, we could attempt to get a court order of cooperation if the supervisor felt it was necessary. But if they said no then we couldn't do it without a court order. For those who declined to have one but still had custody of their kids and had no court involvement, the mention of obtaining a court order usually changed their minds. most of my clients were addicted to pain pills, heroin, cocaine, and xanax. Many were abusing prescribed meds. I think the best advice I can give is if you see something thats an immediate risk to a child, like a parent nodding off on a bus or in a restaurant with a young child with them, or know of drug dealing in a house, etc, call 911 and they should hopefully take it from there.

 

[Sonya610]

BBM:

As mentioned before, morphological changes will occur when a body is frozen. The changes will be noticed when the histological samples of the organ(s) are mounted, stained & examined..... a standard part of a post mortem procedure.

Are you absolutely certain that they would see the signs of freezing in every autopsy? Including bodies that have a fairly advanced state of decomposition and are waterlogged? I have no doubt the changes exist (which is why we aren't supposed to freeze fish twice) but I do question whether it would be discovered during a standard autopsy.

The Iceman (mob hitman) was freezing the bodies of some of the victims for months to throw off the date of death. The coroner only figured it out when a body discovered in the middle of summer was partially frozen inside, if samples of the organs reveal freezing in "every standard autopsy" it wasn't being revealed in the Iceman's victims.

After they first found the body the authorities stated the girl "had not been dead for long period", if the body had shown signs of freezing (which would be very odd in the summertime) I don't think they would have made that statement. In this case I question whether she was ever in a fridge or freezer.

 

[suzyq211]

I read or watched JA say Bella said words like "kitty"

Also, in the birthday video Bella says "It's for me!" and at the end asks about the "mess" to which RB answers "Its allowable".

 

[Sonya610]

A cadaver dog hits on cadaverine which is released at death, The dog would not hit on blood from a living person

That is misleading, once blood leaves the body of a living person it dies. They will hit on blood once the cells die/rot and start to release cadaverine. In fact the body fluids of living people can also contain cadaverine, urine, semen, sometimes saliva etc...

Cadaver dogs can find the remains of people who have been dead for years or even decades. But it's much harder for the dogs if the bulk of the remains are gone. In that case, they can pick up the scent from small amounts of body tissue, like a blood stain or nail clippings, or even from materials that came into contact with the tissue. But in the absence of an actual body, the smell of death will dissipate.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/09/scent_of_a_dead_woman.html

During the Madeleine McCann investigation cadaver dogs hit on a wall of the hotel room. The scent turned out to be blood that had splashed onto a wall and had been washed with detergent, after testing they determined it came from a white male and it was several years old.

Expert handlers said that dogs can only pick up the scent of a body which has been in situ for more than two hours.

The springer spaniels used can also detect small traces of blood up to seven years old, in which time hundreds of people have used the holiday apartment where they were found.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560443/Madeleine-sniffer-dogs-detect-scent-of-body.html

http://amaralfiction.blogspot.com/2011/01/cadaver-scent-proof-of-death-or-walking.html

 

[wondering25]

If that's all he told LE I think he might actually have a decent case. But I'm sure they have got to have something on him if they charged him.

Well, they have RB's statement saying MM killed Bella, a dead body, statements from people saying MM thinks he can perform exorcisms, Statements saying Bella was abused by MM.. I think that is PLENTY. People are charged without a body.. so, they have a body and a "witness" statement. The cops/prosecutors charge.. the jury decides..

 

[Sonya610]

Well, they have RB's statement saying MM killed Bella, a dead body, statements from people saying MM thinks he can perform exorcisms, Statements saying Bella was abused by MM.. I think that is PLENTY. People are charged without a body.. so, they have a body and a "witness" statement. The cops/prosecutors charge.. the jury decides..

They better have more than just RBs word.

IMO there is no way a jury will convict MM just based on what RB says, the defense attorney will tear her to shreds in court. There will probably be a whole lot of witnesses that testify what a horrible person RB truly is, and how she neglected and mistreated her children.

That isn't just the opinion of a few on WS, the comments underneath some of the articles are overwhelmingly saying they think RB is the one responsible for murder.

 

[Vedder]

I was wondering that as well. Men are always asked to remove their caps, why would a hood be allowed?

I wanted to smack it off her head.

 

[wondering25]

They better have more than just RBs word.

IMO there is no way a jury will convict MM just based on what RB says, the defense attorney will tear her to shreds in court. There will probably be a whole lot of witnesses that testify what a horrible person RB truly is, and how she neglected and mistreated her children.

That isn't just the opinion of a few on WS, the comments underneath some of the articles are overwhelmingly saying they think RB is the one responsible for murder.

I agree.. i was addressing what someone said upthread about not having anything on MM. Let's face it, jailhouse snitches are often "believed" in murder cases too. The snitch tells the cops.. the cops look at the unsolved murder and then charge the person who supposedly confessed to the snitch. IMO, they will have to make a deal with RB that they will never charge her with murder if she agrees to tell her tale in court against MM. Otherwise they could come back (if MM is acquitted) and charge her with the murder of Bella.

I do not think we are going to see a murder conviction in this case..I really dont.. based on what I just wrote above. MOO

Anything i write is just my opinion.

 

[nomoresorrow]

And we have another child seriously injured at the hands of Mommy's boyfriend - this is an epidemic!

http://nbc25news.com/news/local/19-month-old-in-critical-condition-man-arrested-for-child-abuse

 

[Amykate]

I agree with you human. I am in the public housing and section 8 field of work, and you are correct on your statement. They do have to answer intrusive questions, inspections, etc... I do not envy their lives either.

There are those that take complete advantage and know how to work the system and then there are those that really need the help and have fallen on hard times.

 

[wondering25]

They better have more than just RBs word.

IMO there is no way a jury will convict MM just based on what RB says, the defense attorney will tear her to shreds in court. There will probably be a whole lot of witnesses that testify what a horrible person RB truly is, and how she neglected and mistreated her children.

That isn't just the opinion of a few on WS, the comments underneath some of the articles are overwhelmingly saying they think RB is the one responsible for murder.

I agree.. but they need justice for Bella and they may NOT have more. People would be screaming for an arrest.. A witness statement and a dead body gets someone arrested. Will MM be found guilty? Nope..JMO

 

[Katerz]

I truly believe they do have evidence against MM.. they just aren't sharing it. This is not Florida.. This is hard hitting Boston.

(I hate when you drop your phone on your face while typing.. [emoji31])

I think it's great they aren't releasing much info. That is good for their case for potential jurors. They won't be tainted by news coverage which I'm sure this is receiving quite a bit up there.

 

[human]

That is misleading, once blood leaves the body of a living person it dies. They will hit on blood once the cells die/rot and start to release cadaverine. In fact the body fluids of living people can also contain cadaverine, urine, semen, sometimes saliva etc...



During the Madeleine McCann investigation cadaver dogs hit on a wall of the hotel room. The scent turned out to be blood that had splashed onto a wall and had been washed with detergent, after testing they determined it came from a white male and it was several years old.



http://amaralfiction.blogspot.com/2011/01/cadaver-scent-proof-of-death-or-walking.html

http://textusa.blogspot.com/2015/05/cadaverine.html

try to keep it to a minimum.

Cadaverine is a compound formed during the breakdown in the human dead body of lysine, an amino acid. The technical terminology is that cadaverine is the decarboxylation product of that amino acid, lysine.

It is naturally produced in the decomposition of animal tissue.

It has an extremely pungent odour, strong and distinct. It is the major contributor to the smell of rotting meat.

To say ERVD dogs can mistake cadaverine for blood is wrong. Cadaverine is cadaverine and will only be cadaverine. An ERVD dog does not mark blood. When an ERVD dog marks a location it means that cadaverine is present there.

That doesn't rule out the possibility of blood also being present. If a blood dog marks also that location it means that both substances are present.

ERVD marked the cadaverine, the blood dog the blood. No confusion or mixing up of smells.

These dogs are specifically trained and work like radios where the dial is fixed so that it can tune only one station. There may be hundreds or even thousands of radio-frequencies flying about in the air but that particular radio will only capture and play that particular frequency no other.

The chemical formula for cadaverine is: C5H14N2

When one joins (in chemistry and biochemistry “joining” has a very specific structural meaning) carbon (C), hydrogen (H) and nitrogen (N) atoms in the right number and sequence, then one gets a cadaverine molecule.

The only ones that make the nerve endings of the trained dog's noses tingle to this stimulus and this stimulus only - the ERVD dogs

There is no such thing as artificial cadaverine. There is artificially produced cadaverine and naturally produced cadaverine.

 

[Bootsctr]

O/T sorta:

4 Arrested on Heroin Charges

Police in Falmouth, Massachusetts, have arrested four people on drug charges early Friday morning.

Around 5:30 a.m., police conducted a search warrant at 148 Central Avenue, making it the fourth narcotics-related search warrant at that address since 2009.

Falmouth detectives, in addition to Mashpee detectives and detectives from the Massachusetts State Police Cape & Islands Drug Task Force, seized approximately seven grams of heroin, four grams of cocaine, and approximately $700 cash from the home. They also found assorted drug distribution paraphernalia.

As a result, four people were arrested:

http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/4-Arrested-on-Heroin-Charges-329536971.html