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You are right, the real question is was it a random murderer who surveyed the area or was it a local person who knew her. Warren is a small town, so almost everyone basically knows each other even without being considered friends.
I tend to think the white car man was just a red herring. It could have just been a random fisherman, and this is what led the investigation astray. If someone was planning to kidnap Molly they probably wouldn't park in the parking lot and stare them down the day before. Everything else about the crime was perfectly executed without any mistakes revealing his identity, it doesn't make sense that he would reveal his identity and car the day before. On the other hand, it could have been the white car man who saw Molly for the first time that morning.
1. I think she was probably killed that day or soon after. Her bones were found with her bathing suit. If she was in a hostage or captivity situation like Elizibeth Smart she probably wouldnt still be wearing the bathing suit when buried. Most people in Warren probably knew Molly, or the Bish family, but it doesn't mean they talked to them or even had to answer questions.
2. Yes if she was held captive it would probably be a basement, or a homemade bunker or an abandoned cabin like they found nearby Whiskey Hill. But I think most likely she was killed soon, maybe even in the woods behind Comins Pond. It would have been really difficult to transport and hide her without being seen. She was probably killed, put into some kind of bag and buried later that day. I think its possible that Whiskey hill was the second burial site, thats why it took 3 years to find her remains.
3. The parks commissioner was nearby painting a fence nearby with Mr. Tatro, who had a son who went to school with Molly and testified at the Grand Jury. I think the commissioner saw John Bish at the store in the morning before they realized Molly was missing, though not sure. I think if it was the commissioner he would have been caught... its too obvious... but who knows...?
I think it was someone local who was older but knew her on the outside, saw her in town, or at sporting events or something like that. There is also a smaller chance that she randomly crossed paths with a serial killer.
I tend to think the white car man was just a red herring. It could have just been a random fisherman, and this is what led the investigation astray. If someone was planning to kidnap Molly they probably wouldn't park in the parking lot and stare them down the day before. Everything else about the crime was perfectly executed without any mistakes revealing his identity, it doesn't make sense that he would reveal his identity and car the day before. On the other hand, it could have been the white car man who saw Molly for the first time that morning.
1. I think she was probably killed that day or soon after. Her bones were found with her bathing suit. If she was in a hostage or captivity situation like Elizibeth Smart she probably wouldnt still be wearing the bathing suit when buried. Most people in Warren probably knew Molly, or the Bish family, but it doesn't mean they talked to them or even had to answer questions.
2. Yes if she was held captive it would probably be a basement, or a homemade bunker or an abandoned cabin like they found nearby Whiskey Hill. But I think most likely she was killed soon, maybe even in the woods behind Comins Pond. It would have been really difficult to transport and hide her without being seen. She was probably killed, put into some kind of bag and buried later that day. I think its possible that Whiskey hill was the second burial site, thats why it took 3 years to find her remains.
3. The parks commissioner was nearby painting a fence nearby with Mr. Tatro, who had a son who went to school with Molly and testified at the Grand Jury. I think the commissioner saw John Bish at the store in the morning before they realized Molly was missing, though not sure. I think if it was the commissioner he would have been caught... its too obvious... but who knows...?
I think it was someone local who was older but knew her on the outside, saw her in town, or at sporting events or something like that. There is also a smaller chance that she randomly crossed paths with a serial killer.
I am still confused by a lot of the information in Molly Bish's case. I always thought Molly Bish was taking over for her brother John at the Commins Pond beach area and that she had been trained previously by him and was now on her 8th day(I think) alone lifeguarding the beach. This is what the television shows made me think.
Until someone can figure out whether Molly Bish was kidnapped by a stranger or by someone who knew her it is going to be very difficult to solve this case. If indeed it was someone that knew Molly Bish I think you can come up with two assumptions that are not set in stone, but that I would work from:
1. Molly Bish was probably not killed during the day. The reason I think that is because if the person knew her, they would have to assume that once she was reported missing the Bish family or police might call to ask if they have seen Molly.
2. If the crime was planned in such a way by someone who knew Molly Bish, they would likely have someplace to put her, whether a small getaway building or a place within their home. The reason I think that is because if the person has a wife or kids it is going to be more difficult to hide the kidnapping victim. So when examining suspects, talking to their wife or kids about where they were between June 27-July 4, 2000(a week) is probably going to be important. But if the person is single that probably is not going to matter.
The parks commissioner is an obvious suspect although in the tv programs I was confused about something. According to the witness that first arrived at the pond, she said she arrived about 20 minutes after Molly's mom had dropped Molly off. So that puts it around 10:20am. Then according to 48 hours program, an hour passed and Molly's boss showed up(11:20 am) and noticed the lifeguard was not there. He waited around and eventually called police using the 2 way radio. This according to the Disappeared program was at 11:44am. Yet later on the in the same Disappeared episode Molly's brother John said he ran into the parks commissioner and he did not mention Molly Bish was missing. The program later says his running into Molly's brother gives him his alibi and they moved on to other suspects. So my question is what time did the parks commissioner run into Molly's brother at the hardware store? Was it after he called police?
If the parks commissioner committed the crime it would have to be a very elaborate plan although there is one other reason a person would use St. Paul's cemetery to access the beach. The reason is they would not want to be seen arriving to work. This way they can kidnap the victim, take them home and put them somewhere, then go back and "arrive" at work to find out the lifeguard is missing while hoping that someone other than themselves has to call police. Everything would have to have been thought out ahead of time, right down to the color of the swimsuit. And as most police officers would tell you, that is television, not real life.
But if it was the parks commissioner why are Molly Bish's sandals on the beach? Couldn't he just coax her close to his car with some excuse? She would trust him. So again it does not make sense.
And everything I wrote above, except for the swimsuit color could have been thought out by a stranger who planned the crime in advance. Maybe Rodney Stanger saw Molly Bish earlier, then set up some place to take her, and put his plan into motion using the cemetery as cover to kidnap Molly?
Was Molly Bish kidnapped by a stranger or by someone she knew? If this were June 2000 the white car theory would be my top choice. I don't know if I think the same thing today although that individual in the white car has not come forward to say they were not involved. So sadly after over 18 1/2 years we are still left trying to answer that same question.