no nearby lighting except for the as testified virtual spotlight on the plow he was driving
MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #11
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There actually is a large, highway style light on the other side of 34 Fairview. The area isn't in complete darkness and Lucky in his truck 100% would have seen a 6'2" body lying near the roadway.
Karen Read on Trial: Why You Cannot Look Away
A Massachusetts woman charged with killing her police officer boyfriend, John O’Keefe, faces a second-degree-murder charge, “dehumanizing” treatment by police, and a public chorus questioning her guilt.www.vanityfair.com
JUNE 20, 2024
I haven't read the whole thing, but I saw this in the first paragraph:
The defense proposes something completely different: that Read is being framed by law enforcement officers—O’Keefe’s colleagues and best friends, who were among the last people to see him alive—and that his death was caused by a violent fight inside a former cop’s home.
I would not characterize any of the people inside the home as either John's colleagues nor his best friends.
I suspect the writer has only the most cursory knowledge of the case. Perhaps it caught their attention when Proctor's texts became national news, so they decided to write a story on it.
Correct. You can see them on the 1st responder video that shows the drive up to the scene. The neighborhood wasn't as dark as it has been made out to be.
The defense didn't have any choice about allowing the pig DNA info, and it's as useless as the lack of canine DNA since it is not known where the swabs were obtained on the shirt, or how the clothes were handled and stored.
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<modsnip - snarky> Most people will remember first hand knowledge related to a murder over details related to hitting a basketball hoop
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There was actually a murder case from a while ago where pig DNA was found on a scarf, and they eventually decided it came from the family dog whose favorite treat was pig ears. Susann Sills was the victim, if anyone wants to look it up. So who knows?
In the end, I can't look at John's arm wounds and the millimeter wide holes in his shirt and believe that they are all the result of a collision with a car. I've been wracking my brain for alternate theories. Maybe if someone hit his arm with a club that had a bunch of nails stuck in it? I've seen homemade weapons like that.
Nothing else really makes sense.
Prep work. There was a big blizzard coming. I think Lally may have mentioned it.
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Was he sanding/salting?
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I think he was sincere and he did not see anything that night.
I doubt he was the hypervigilant eagle-eyed protector of small animals the defense tried to paint for us. In any event, him not seeing anything isn't evidence that there was nothing there to see. Still, it muddies the water and adds to items a juror could grasp onto to find reasonable doubt.
I am wondering why no corroborating evidence for the time he was plowing? Doesn't he have a cell phone, people at the garage who saw him arrive etc..
It's that stellar investigation again. No one talked to Lucky for literal months and no one pulled any GPS data from the truck. However, it's my understanding the 2:30 am start for the plow drivers was confirmed.
I also totally believe he worries about animals like cats and squirrels. He seemed very sincere.
They often don't even cross some of the witnesses.
I don't think there was a command. I think it was a reaction. My son's little dog is a Mini Australian Shepherd. Even if I am playfight with my son, she will come at me like no one's business. (Luckily she is pretty tiny!)
That said, I feel that a scuffle ensued shortly after John arrived at 34F. I think he went into the basement, or perhaps even around the backyard if he was summoned by someone over by the gate to the right side of the house by the garage. I truly think he was in that basement. But when the scuffle ensued, perhaps some tried to break something up and there may have been 2 or more people in the mix. I think Chloe got excited, jumped up to defend her master and tried latching onto JOKs arm, as they are trained to do. Due to the commotion, however, she never was really able to latch on and her teeth may have just grazed his arm and her claws scraped him up at the same time. Picture the dog lashing at the victim, with arm raised to protect the body, mouth in center trying to bit, paw on either side taking a swipe.
I think that is when JOK fell and whacked his head on something, likely a piece of exercise equipment. He bled out, they all panicked and I think the initial aggressor got out of dodge while the grownups "handled" the situation. I think they acted naturally until everyone went to bed. The calls between the 2 Brian's I am thinking were pretty quick. "Is it taken care of?" "Yeah, all taken care of."
The initial perp returned to the scene to help make sure everything was handled, meaning, he pulled up to the curb, and JOK was dead or close to dead. They dragged him out the bulkhead in the back yard, through the left side gate and straight out to the flagpole, as far as possible from the home.
Too bad they forgot about the snow plow guy.
They never even stated any of the swabs from the shirt came from the right arm, for one thing.
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It would of been informative too if any neighbor was up and heard and looked out the window and saw the Edge moving to that spot and perhaps who got out. Plenty of people take loo breaks middle of the night and so on. Just a coincidence of timing if that happened and dared say they 'saw something' when or IF any of LE came around and asked the neighbors if they noticed anything. They must of. (???)
They did not talk to any neighbors. The neighborhood was not canvassed. The only neighbor anyone talked to was the cop the Canton PD got the red solo cups from.
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who deleted karen's phone data in april 2022? the police had her phone at that time
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Right, the incompetence never stops along with JMc and her fact of what happened. Not considered a citizen of Canton who got in the mix but a confirmed source of the event as it happened. Ridiculous.
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Seems pretty clear cut
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“I think he was sincere and he did not see anything that night. “
I agree he was sincere. And I believe he also did not want to hit animals. All Gods creatures. I am the same way.
But I believe he mentioned he did see something that night. It was not John O’Keefes body ( seems nobody coming or going saw John’s body) but Lucky saw a light colored Ford Edge. The kind of car that we are told LE drive. Like Higgins and BA. Wondering why the presence of that car was never mentioned by any one else Bc darn don’t you know it was right in front of the flagpole. Right where John’s body was eventually found.
I loved it when Lally asked Lucky if he knew the difference between a ford edge and a jeep Cherokee ( in a sneering you couldn’t possibly know voice) and Lucky nailed it.
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