MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

[keek]

Everybody was butt dialing that night, all the involved parties. Wildddddd.

Or...friction?

STAWPPPPP.

 

[kittythehare]

This had to be it..

It was game over for me when the dog walker claimed she'd never been inside their house..
The rehearsal theme collapsed entirely..
Poor coaching.

 

[kittythehare]

and the other dude ploughing imaginary snow before it arrived..

If they make a movie, it needs to be on the lines of The Life of Brian, is all.

 

[jepop]

This had to be it..

So sad I hav to miss discusion re Butt dials. quicgly adding one of the nice things to emerge from butt dial analysis is alliteration derrière dialing, credit of @I am not Sherlock H.

 

[keek]

So sad I hav to miss discusion re Butt dials. quicgly adding one of the nice things to emerge from butt dial analysis is alliteration derrière dialing, credit of @I am not Sherlock H.

Yes, he is a southern enough gentleman.

 

[sassyblue]

My 80+ year old father butt dials me at least 4 times a week with his IPhone. Mostly in the middle of my night.

There is a time difference between us and apparently he takes his phone to bed with him. So mystery solved from earlier posts today.

But I'm not buying that group of people's butt dialing. No way...no how.

 

[Trebor5591]

dbm

 

[pavlovsdaughter]

My mom butt dials me a lot with her iPhone, but she always fills my voicemail inbox with dead air because she hasn’t realized. The combo of repeated butt dials and no voicemails is what doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Sachi]

I have explained this ad nauseum. JOK had not come home. JOK had young children at home he was caring for. Since taking care of those young children, JOK ALWAYS came home. So lets not act like him not coming home was some normal occurance and she should assume he's sleeping at a house he doesn't even know how to get to. JMO

This.

I imagine frozen ground could cause such an injury, if hit with the right force, at the right angle. But, I don't know.



I know that a lot of newer vehicles turn on and off automatically when they to a stop, and I am really not sure how a key cycle is defined. I am inclined to assume that Trooper Paul's data somehow makes sense, but if it doesn't, then it just emphasizes perhaps that we really don't know enough about what happened, to reconstruct exactly what happened.



In theory, the initial impact at a low speed would not have propelled him backwards, but it would have been just enough to propel him forward onto the back of the SUV, to change his angle and maybe lift his feet off of the ground. He would have then been propelled backwards upon further acceleration.



You are right that I am saying this. I don't think I am working backwards. "Karen obviously hit him" is what the evidence, in its entirety, states to me. At least, the evidence clearly suggests to me that Karen's SUV was involved in some sort of accident which occurred at the same approximate time as and at the same approximate location where John suffered injuries that directly or indirectly caused his death. And I can't think of another reasonable explanation for what happened to John which would be plausible enough to establish reasonable doubt.

this article.

Opinion | Karen Read’s legal team has pulled off a rare miracle in criminal defense

Read’s team has pulled off a rare miracle in criminal defense: They have constructed an alternate theory of police cover-up that actually has some evidence to support it.

www.msnbc.com

 

[Spectrix]

I imagine frozen ground could cause such an injury, if hit with the right force, at the right angle. But, I don't know.

My understanding of the conditions is that at the time of the supposed accident, the ground is unlikely to have been frozen. IE it wasn't cold enough in the lead up and it had only just started snowing. It takes a long time for the ground to freeze.

I know that a lot of newer vehicles turn on and off automatically when they to a stop, and I am really not sure how a key cycle is defined. I am inclined to assume that Trooper Paul's data somehow makes sense

A key cycle, in this context, is defined as the start button being pushed. Auto start/stop doesn't trigger a key cycle. Trooper Paul miscalculated the amount of keystrokes between when the accident occurred and the vehicle was finally tested. Key cycle #1162 is the one which had the data of the car reversing at 24MPH. This key cycle happened after the car was seized by the police.

In theory, the initial impact at a low speed would not have propelled him backwards, but it would have been just enough to propel him forward onto the back of the SUV, to change his angle and maybe lift his feet off of the ground. He would have then been propelled backwards upon further acceleration.

If JOK was hit with enough force to propel him anywhere, he would have at minimum bruising on his body. Trooper Paul is suggesting he was hit so hard that he travelled 30 feet. This would cause bruising, broken bones, organ damage etc.

You are right that I am saying this. I don't think I am working backwards. "Karen obviously hit him" is what the evidence, in its entirety, states to me.

I'm curious how you think this accident played out exactly. How do you figure that a 7000 pound Lexus hit a 220 pound man hard enough to propel him through the air and deposit him on someone's front lawn, without damaging his body aside from a bump on the head and a dog bitten arm?
It's preposterous.

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[fluffypaste]

Correct. Here is what she said:
“she didn’t feel prosecutors had convinced her beyond a reasonable doubt that Read was guilty of the charges, WBZ reported.”

Juror in Karen Read trial speaks out. Will we hear from others?

The names of the jurors who sat on Karen Read’s trial will not be released, though they may choose to speak publicly about the case.

www.boston.com

It's just not fair that this juror spent the whole trial taking hyper-diligent notes and then got excluded from the final result.

 

[TIGER0822]

Or...friction?

Yes, but in this case we had phones taking turns butt dialing each other.

 

[TIGER0822]

and the other dude ploughing imaginary snow before it arrived..

If they make a movie, it needs to be on the lines of The Life of Brian, is all.

Monty Python?

 

[Charlot123]

They were still in a relationship. Who cares if "he was leaving her?" (IF) Have you ever been a relationship where you broke up, got back together, broke up, got back together, etc.? It's a typical relationship pattern--even if it isn't healthy. To say she's not a victim because of what you perceive his intentions to be is a huge, huge, huge reach.

IMO MOO

She was not the victim of JO's murder. Funny, my friends in MA are unaware of the case and laughed at the statement that something out of Norfolk courthouse has split the CW. I surely miss names like Canton that I saw on driving by I-95 but now, it seems, the topic is exhausted and what is left is free advertising for a couple of lawyers.

Happy Independence Day, when the Declaration of Independence was printed by John Dunlap, the printer of the Continental Congress!

 

[kittythehare]

Monty Python?

I dunno.. Is there a Brian in it?

 

[Luna20]

It was game over for me when the dog walker claimed she'd never been inside their house..
The rehearsal theme collapsed entirely..
Poor coaching.

Was the dog walker under-cover?