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While I agree it isn't the defense responsibility to prove her innocence, the defense proposed a very specific alternate theory for which there is very strong evidence that refutes that story. Unless they provide some explanation, the absence of dog DNA most likely means that JO never entered 34F at all.
It is virtually impossible to enter a person's home who has a pet and not be contaminated by detectable DNA in the form of hairs, even if you never interact with the animal (citations below). If you live with a cat it is even worse because they cover their hair with DNA from their saliva, so even non rooted hairs have DNA on them.
I will extend that published finding with a reasonable inference that it is less possible to get knocked onto the floor and/or dragged out of the house of a dog owner and not have dog hairs all over you and even less probable than that to also have been bitten by the dog and not have hairs and saliva all over you.
The case you cited is interesting in that they found pig DNA, possibly from the rawhide, but most importantly they found canine DNA as well. You will never find DNA from an animals mouth that contains the DNA from its food, but not that animal's own DNA.
And if anybody is in doubt they could have the entire shirt privately swabbed for Chloe's DNA. If they did find DNA then it would be case-closed a conspiracy, he entered that house and everybody is lying and Karen Read would not only be free, she would sue the MSP and Canton police and her lawyers would be rich. Think how powerful that would be- but they never asked to do it....Why? Because think how powerful it would be if they didn't find any.
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Molecular characterization of the canine mitochondrial DNA control region for forensic applications - PubMed
The canine mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region of 133 dogs living in the area around Innsbruck, Austria was sequenced. A total of 40 polymorphic sites were observed in the first hypervariable segment and 15 in the second, which resulted in the differentiation of 40 distinct haplotypes. We...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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The Revolution of Animal Genomics in Forensic Sciences
Nowadays, the coexistence between humans and domestic animals (especially dogs and cats) has become a common scenario of daily life. Consequently, during a forensic investigation in civil or criminal cases, the biological material from a domestic animal ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
interesting articles- the second contains this statement as well: Dogs typically drag prey to the ground and then maul it, attempting to ‘disarm’ the victim by striking its limbs. Once the victim has been knocked down, the animal usually begins to bite its throat, the back of its head, and the cranium; if the attack continues, the victim will die from asphyxia, hemorrhaging, or cranial fracture and its complications [103]."While I agree it isn't the defense responsibility to prove her innocence, the defense proposed a very specific alternate theory for which there is very strong evidence that refutes that story. Unless they provide some explanation, the absence of dog DNA most likely means that JO never entered 34F at all.
It is virtually impossible to enter a person's home who has a pet and not be contaminated by detectable DNA in the form of hairs, even if you never interact with the animal (citations below). If you live with a cat it is even worse because they cover their hair with DNA from their saliva, so even non rooted hairs have DNA on them.
I will extend that published finding with a reasonable inference that it is less possible to get knocked onto the floor and/or dragged out of the house of a dog owner and not have dog hairs all over you and even less probable than that to also have been bitten by the dog and not have hairs and saliva all over you.
The case you cited is interesting in that they found pig DNA, possibly from the rawhide, but most importantly they found canine DNA as well. You will never find DNA from an animals mouth that contains the DNA from its food, but not that animal's own DNA.
And if anybody is in doubt they could have the entire shirt privately swabbed for Chloe's DNA. If they did find DNA then it would be case-closed a conspiracy, he entered that house and everybody is lying and Karen Read would not only be free, she would sue the MSP and Canton police and her lawyers would be rich. Think how powerful that would be- but they never asked to do it....Why? Because think how powerful it would be if they didn't find any.
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Molecular characterization of the canine mitochondrial DNA control region for forensic applications - PubMed
The canine mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region of 133 dogs living in the area around Innsbruck, Austria was sequenced. A total of 40 polymorphic sites were observed in the first hypervariable segment and 15 in the second, which resulted in the differentiation of 40 distinct haplotypes. We...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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The Revolution of Animal Genomics in Forensic Sciences
Nowadays, the coexistence between humans and domestic animals (especially dogs and cats) has become a common scenario of daily life. Consequently, during a forensic investigation in civil or criminal cases, the biological material from a domestic animal ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Thank you for posting that video. It was interesting and informative.Interesting -- A good read on the jurors vote here by Attorney Peter Tragos. Maybe not so good for KR.
This is another extraordinary set of events that needed to have happened to explain why its a conspiracy to kill someone who nobody had any motive to kill and not just a very common drunk driving accident.interesting articles- the second contains this statement as well: Dogs typically drag prey to the ground and then maul it, attempting to ‘disarm’ the victim by striking its limbs. Once the victim has been knocked down, the animal usually begins to bite its throat, the back of its head, and the cranium; if the attack continues, the victim will die from asphyxia, hemorrhaging, or cranial fracture and its complications [103]."
and:
"the collection of saliva samples from the victim’s wound could take place in a variable time interval and, since the first action carried out on the victim is an aid, the use of disinfectants on tissues can drastically ‘erase’ most of the biological traces produced by the attacker." Tough to tell if the shirt was splashed with disinfectants; it was cut off the deceased in the hospital; it was in the snow and it was tested literally years later.
The commonwealth could've called the FBI witnesses who determined that John wasn't struck by a vehicle, but they didn't. They chose state troopers who had no grasp of physics over verified scientists. One must ask why.This is another extraordinary set of events that needed to have happened to explain why its a conspiracy to kill someone who nobody had any motive to kill and not just a very common drunk driving accident.
JO's shirt was like a collection sponge we use to collect DNA samples on people. It is extremely unlikely that that treatment of those wounds would have even started given the description of his emergency and ultimately futile medical treatment (he was brought in with a core temperature of 80F and no measured pulse). They attempted to re-warm him and gave him external circulatory support in the form of CPR and AED but he never warmed, never sustained a pulse, and was pronounced dead. Nobody was washing in clothes with disinfectant.
There was no dog attack.
But her defense attorney's obviously don't need to take my word for it- they can go get the entire shirt tested, I triple dog dare them.