Madeleine McCann found?

[dotr]

http://ecpat.net/EI/Publications/Trafficking/Factsheet_Portugal.pdf
"In 2007, Portuguese and British police investigating the abduction of the English toddler Madeleine McCann, who was
kidnapped in Praia da Luz, Portugal, believed that an international child abuse network could have trafficked her. The
British police also provided a list of UK sex offenders that had recently travelled to Portugal.18
This would not be the first time that a child was kidnapped and trafficked in Portugal by a paedophile ring. In 1998,
an 11-year-old Portuguese boy called Rui Pedro Mendonça vanished while walking home from school in the northern
Portuguese town Lousada. A month later, he was sighted with a middle-aged man at Disneyland, in Paris. Three years
later, images of Rui Pedro being sexually abused were reportedly uncovered during an international police operation
that cracked a global paedophile network. More than 200 paedophiles in 13 countries had exchanged more than
750,000 images of thousands of children through a private internet club called Wonderland. Later in 1999, another
Portuguese child was kidnapped and seen with two Italian men in Switzerland. Unfortunately, none of the boys have
ever been found."

 

[dotr]

"The government did not provide any specialized training for officials on the identification or prosecution of trafficking offenses"



http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,CPV,,4fe30cd94b,0.html
"Past reports indicate that boys and girls – some of whom may be foreign – are exploited in prostitution in Santa Maria, Praia, and Mindelo. Sex tourism – at times involving prostituted children – is a growing problem in Cape Verde. In 2010, an Italian national was convicted for the sexual abuse of three minors in commercial sex in Santa Maria on the island of Sal. Children are also used in the commission of crimes within the country, including the forced transport of drugs"

 

[Galbin]

I just read about this and I do indeed hope and pray it is her. However, I believe that she has sadly passed on.

 

[dotr]

http://missingpersonsnews.com/false...eynolds-and-madeleine-mccann-spark-confusion/
"Falsely-reported sightings of Ayla Reynolds and Madeleine McCann spark confusion"

 

[dotr]

New.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/double-life-of-crimes-and-secrets/story-e6frfhqf-1226443376396
" It is the firm belief of some detectives working on the abduction of Madeleine McCann that she was stolen "to order" by an organised gang of child pornographers.

Indeed, investigators hired by the McCanns received an anonymous email suggesting little Madeleine appeared in such a video.

It turned out not to be Madeleine, but there were 13 arrests resulting from the lead that involved "dozens" of children, mostly girls, under 10.

They are all victims of Andy Muirhead and the men who think like him.

And you are right to wonder: had Muirhead encountered an image or video -- remember he had thousands and added to them on a daily basis -- of the missing Madeleine McCann, what would he have done? Would he have called the police?

I doubt it. More likely, he'd have stored it on his hard drive as sneakily as he could and maybe watched it again and again until he had to front up at the ABC studios the next morning"

 

[OneLove]

"The government did not provide any specialized training for officials on the identification or prosecution of trafficking offenses"



http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,CPV,,4fe30cd94b,0.html
"Past reports indicate that boys and girls – some of whom may be foreign – are exploited in prostitution in Santa Maria, Praia, and Mindelo. Sex tourism – at times involving prostituted children – is a growing problem in Cape Verde. In 2010, an Italian national was convicted for the sexual abuse of three minors in commercial sex in Santa Maria on the island of Sal. Children are also used in the commission of crimes within the country, including the forced transport of drugs"

Very sad. And just as sad is that the neglectful and self-centered choices made by the McCanns allowed this to happen to Maddie, if this IS what happened. I do hope their parenting skills and emotions have improved since an unsupervised Maddie disappeared from an unsecured vacation rental.

 

[Sabot]

Abductors and Paedophiles steal children. We might do well to remember that

 

[brit1981]

Whenever a child is abducted there is nearly always some choice by the parents that if they had not made would have prevented the abduction. leaving a window open to let some air in, allowing the child to walk to school without an adult, allowing them out to play etc.
nannylistening services are very popular in the EU, the Mccanns friends had used them at another MW resort, so one can understand why it was easy to be lulled into thinking that making your own listening service was OK. But to be honets that is a moot point, someone abducted a child, yet many seem intent on ensuring that the abductor is excused and his conscience salved and the blame put on the mccanns. It is a bit like blaming a rape victim for walking alone at night.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Whenever a child is abducted there is nearly always some choice by the parents that if they had not made would have prevented the abduction. leaving a window open to let some air in, allowing the child to walk to school without an adult, allowing them out to play etc.
nannylistening services are very popular in the EU, the Mccanns friends had used them at another MW resort, so one can understand why it was easy to be lulled into thinking that making your own listening service was OK. But to be honets that is a moot point, someone abducted a child, yet many seem intent on ensuring that the abductor is excused and his conscience salved and the blame put on the mccanns. It is a bit like blaming a rape victim for walking alone at night.

Only if the rape victim was a toddler.

 

[brit1981]

Only if the rape victim was a toddler.

No blaming the victims because they could have made a different choice to stop a criminal is wrong regardless of the age of the victim.

Oh by the way did you manage to find the sources for your claims about the FSS (you know how it really was not a government owned agency charged with forensic examination and maintaining the dna database but a private company with no legal right to examine DNA and with links to the mccanns), the involvment of at least three governments, the police, ambassadors etc in a cover-up to protect a cardiologist and part time GP from the north of England. I would really be interested to see this proof you said you had, and once you upload it here you do not have to worry about the powers that be destroying it.

 

[OneLove]

Whenever a child is abducted there is nearly always some choice by the parents that if they had not made would have prevented the abduction. leaving a window open to let some air in, allowing the child to walk to school without an adult, allowing them out to play etc.
nannylistening services are very popular in the EU, the Mccanns friends had used them at another MW resort, so one can understand why it was easy to be lulled into thinking that making your own listening service was OK. But to be honets that is a moot point, someone abducted a child, yet many seem intent on ensuring that the abductor is excused and his conscience salved and the blame put on the mccanns. It is a bit like blaming a rape victim for walking alone at night.

Using your (irrelevant) rape victim analogy, I rather see it more as a 3-year old rape victim's mother hanging a sign around her neck saying "rape me, PLEASE" and pushing her out front and center and walking away. Of course, then both the rapist AND the mother have committed egregious acts that led to the commision of the rape/crime. And IF said mother and rapist were really one and the same? Serious human pathology going on there. But nothing that a good vigorous game of tennis couldn't shake off, right?

Given that Maddie was PAST toddlerhood AND, had cried in terror for a prolonged (and disturbing to others) period of time while abandoned the night before, AND, as I understand it, her sleeping quarters left unsecured/unlocked, this IMO is neglect leading to possible death, whether at the hands of anyone else or by Maddie's OWN actions. And these actions were chosen by medical professions who are well aware of the potential for these consequences. They are not victims; Maddie was.

 

[brit1981]

Wow, you think being fifty metres away from a sleeping child is akin to telling people to rape them!!!!

But no-one has ever stated that madeleine cried for a prolonged period or that she was in terror the night before. They left the patio doors unlocked, they were not aware of the problems with the door and window, whilst they were fifty metres away. They had not been made away of the other attacks within the area, or the recent intrusions into the flats in that complex. They thought they were in a sleepy village, and that it was safe to have an unlocked door whilst they were fifty metres away.

 

[fabgod]

Wow, you think being fifty metres away from a sleeping child is akin to telling people to rape them!!!!

But no-one has ever stated that madeleine cried for a prolonged period or that she was in terror the night before. They left the patio doors unlocked, they were not aware of the problems with the door and window, whilst they were fifty metres away. They had not been made away of the other attacks within the area, or the recent intrusions into the flats in that complex. They thought they were in a sleepy village, and that it was safe to have an unlocked door whilst they were fifty metres away.

You are playing with words a little here,
you are right, nobody stated that the children were crying the night before, there is a Police statement from Pamela Fenn that states she heard a child cry for an hour and fifteen minutes on the 1st may 2007.

This means that there was no half hour check on that evening at the very least.

Again, playing with words, it is acknowledged that the distance is 50 metres to the apartment, over a swimming pool, up a wall, through bushes, to the door of the apartment, we are well aware that is significantly further to go the only acceptable route so, why dont we stop using this misleading and impractical 50 metre suggestion?

If it needs spelling out, its this-

Kate and Gerry McCann were sat with their backs to their apartment 5a, while eating at the tapas diner.
To reach apartment 5a,
you had to walk past the pool and down the gate which leads to the road, then turn left up the road to find the apartment at the bottom of some steps on the left, up the steps across a small tiled walk way and then through the door, across the living area to the childrens bedroom door.

I think its worth noting at this point that the childrens bedroom was to the rear of the property as looked at from the tapas area, so through two walls.

 

[Donjeta]

JMO, the distance is pretty much irrelevant to me. It makes little difference whether you're unable to supervise your children from 50 metres or 150 or 1500 metres away.

 

[brit1981]

You are playing with words a little here,
you are right, nobody stated that the children were crying the night before, there is a Police statement from Pamela Fenn that states she heard a child cry for an hour and fifteen minutes on the 1st may 2007.

This means that there was no half hour check on that evening at the very least.

Again, playing with words, it is acknowledged that the distance is 50 metres to the apartment, over a swimming pool, up a wall, through bushes, to the door of the apartment, we are well aware that is significantly further to go the only acceptable route so, why dont we stop using this misleading and impractical 50 metre suggestion?

If it needs spelling out, its this-

Kate and Gerry McCann were sat with their backs to their apartment 5a, while eating at the tapas diner.
To reach apartment 5a,
you had to walk past the pool and down the gate which leads to the road, then turn left up the road to find the apartment at the bottom of some steps on the left, up the steps across a small tiled walk way and then through the door, across the living area to the childrens bedroom door.

I think its worth noting at this point that the childrens bedroom was to the rear of the property as looked at from the tapas area, so through two walls.

Pamela fenn said she was not sure where the crying was coming from. It could have been from any of the nearby flats. The mccanns their holiday companions and the tapas bar staff confirm that they were checking on the children every night they were away (the staff can only say there were leaving the table at different times). I also think one of their friends in the next apartment stayed at home on the first, and did not hear anything (if she had surely she would have called the mccanns over).

And it was fifty metres directly and only seventy five to walk. Its not something I would do, but it is legal, and it is unpleasent to have a thread dedicated to going on about the parenting mistakes of the parents of a missing child. If a child disappeared whilst walking alone shoudl we set up a thread going on about what bad parents they were for not walking the child to school?

 

[Donjeta]

Well, you've said that thousands of parents leave their toddlers alone and think nothing of it so it seems to me that we need more discussion about why it's not cool, not less.

It makes very little difference whether it's 75 metres to walk or 750 metres to walk if you're only going to check infrequently and there is no visual or auditory contact most of the time.

 

[fabgod]

JMO, the distance is pretty much irrelevant to me. It makes little difference whether you're unable to supervise your children from 50 metres or 150 or 1500 metres away.

I agree completely Donjeta, but the point being made is that it was "only" 50 metres, it wasnt, it was much worse than 50 metres which in itself was pretty reckless to say the least, especially when the room where the children were sleeping was on the other side of the building where the door and window was.

 

[fabgod]

Pamela fenn said she was not sure where the crying was coming from. It could have been from any of the nearby flats. The mccanns their holiday companions and the tapas bar staff confirm that they were checking on the children every night they were away (the staff can only say there were leaving the table at different times). I also think one of their friends in the next apartment stayed at home on the first, and did not hear anything (if she had surely she would have called the mccanns over).

And it was fifty metres directly and only seventy five to walk. Its not something I would do, but it is legal, and it is unpleasent to have a thread dedicated to going on about the parenting mistakes of the parents of a missing child. If a child disappeared whilst walking alone shoudl we set up a thread going on about what bad parents they were for not walking the child to school?

Now its unpleasant to have a thread? why are you posting so much on it?
Mrs Fenn was in the flat above, so I dont think it could be coming from any of the apartments.
If, the McCanns were totally uninvolved in whatever happened to Madeleine during that holiday, then it is a terrible thing for them to have to endure the pain and suffering that they would be feeling, however, they have courted publicity and awareness, there is nothing here that isnt available anywhere else and you cannot really be on a site called websleuths without being prepared to look into the publicly available information and ask uncomfortable questions can you?

We have addressed the distances, that point is covered, you wouldnt do it but it is only 75 metres?
would you walk 75 metres along a road in front of 2 two year olds and a 3 year old -no!
would you walk 75 metres in front of the above children along a river bank? -no!
Would you sit 75 metres away from the above children whilst they were near a swimming pool or hot oven or iron etc etc?

The answer is no Brit, you need to realise that its no good trying to cover up the basic errors that were made, there is no justification, if they hadnt been left, then your theory of an abductor would not have happened, ask the McCanns this, did they lock the patio door when they went to bed?

 

[brit1981]

I think leaving them like this was stupid, but they are paying for it a millon fold now, and my main feeling is wretchedness for them. can you imagine what it must be like to have made a mistake that ended up never knowing your child's fate. It muts be torture. Everyone at soem point has madea parenting error that could have had terrible consequences, but for most people it does not. can you imagine having your parenting error result in this?
But stupid is not the same as suspicious and rightly or wrongly what they did was legal, and judging by the popularity of nanny listening services ( someone listening for crying every half an hour) not uncommon.

 

[fabgod]

I agree with you, I cannot imagine how bad a parent would feel not knowing what had happened to their child,I hope I never do have to expreience that and hope nobody else does, but sadly we know that will happen to some people.

You are right, stupid is not suspicious, but from the reports that are available, there are suspicious elements to this case.
From looking at other cases on here and elsewhere, suspicions always arise around the family in a case like this, that is just a fact of life and it is a fact that the vast majority of missing children cases, ends up in being the family or someone known to the family.

Thats not to say for one minute that is the case here, but it is a logical place to start, there is the train of thought that there is no evidence of involvement by family or friends or known people, but also, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that we know about, that points to a stranger abduction.

It must be a horrible situation to lose a child and it must be even worse to have it written all over the internet and newspapers, but if just one piece of evidence could be found that way, it surely would be worth the pain to find the answers?