Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[ATasteOfHoney]

I am not sure about the gypsy camps. There was a 1 million pound reward for info on Madeleine back in 2007. If she was with gypsies they are poor, someone would alert the police and get 1 million pound.

Regarding the current SY theories, IMO it is better she is found now if she is alive than never.

Assuming she is dead is not fair.

hmmmm......interesting choice of words......"not fair"......


But yeah, I think we all wish she were alive and hope for the best

 

[Cherwell]

I'm still questioning the latest efit. They do not look like one person at all. What's up with that?

They look like two people. One resembles Gerry McCann, and the another one looks like Russell O'Brien.

I disagree, they look to me like impressions of the same man by two separate witnesses, one of whom saw him from a slightly different angle. The main difference is in the shape of the face. One of the e-fits looks cut off at an angle. My guess is that this witness didn't get such a clear view of the lower part of the man's face because it was obscured by his collar or neckline.

 

[Inana]

Madeleine was alive and well up until the late afternoon of 7 May. That now seems to be fact. The PJ said as much too and oh looky they were right. Again.

Please provide a link for this.

 

[jigzy]

I am not sure about the gypsy camps. There was a 1 million pound reward for info on Madeleine back in 2007. If she was with gypsies they are poor, someone would alert the police and get 1 million pound.

Regarding the current SY theories, IMO it is better she is found now if she is alive than never.

Assuming she is dead is not fair.

Er, not fair? really? Cadaver dog alert in the apartment from which a child was 'abducted', yet no sign of an intruder, unless you count KM's fingerprints on the shutters. No DNA of the child in the bed in which she supposedly slept. Not much 'searching' by the McCanns, yet a load of jogging and hugging cuddlecat, oh and setting up a fund with dodgy small print allowing the McCanns' mortgage to be paid. Not fair to think she's dead - I don't think so, despite wanting to think otherwise. Jmho.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Please provide a link for this.

A link for my own opinon? I could but it would be a reposting of what I just said.



The PJ's theory, as outlined by Amaral, was that Madeleine died in 5A that night.

I agree with them.

:seeya:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Why would it be McCanns fault for PJ not checking the Tanner man carrying the child.
They could simply go and interview the night nursery workers, get their lists of who came when, find everyone who walked in that street that time..

Why it has been left for the British police to find this man 6 years later.

He could have been found at day 2, because Tanner reported this sighting at day 1.

So why didn't the British police find him?

They were there at day 2 also.

 

[haden]

So why didn't the British police find him?

They were there at day 2 also.

No, they were not. And they were not in charge.
Mr Amaral was in charge of this investigation and he failed to do the main things every modern police force would do.

Secure the apartment straight away
Check for the DNA straight away, bed sheets, clothing in the room, cord of shutters being open.. Nothing of this was done.
Check for the all available CCTV cameras in the LITTLE town
Stop the bin bags being collected.
Check the the nursery for all potential passers by with children that night.
Alert all the mobile phone companies and request the data.
All of this should have been done in the morning of the day2

Instead he imagined he was inspector Poirot from the 1950s book ))))

 

[Morag]

Why would it be McCanns fault for PJ not checking the Tanner man carrying the child.
They could simply go and interview the night nursery workers, get their lists of who came when, find everyone who walked in that street that time..

Why it has been left for the British police to find this man 6 years later.

He could have been found at day 2, because Tanner reported this sighting at day 1.

Even if they had found this man- eggman- on day 2, what difference would it have made? He had nothing to do with it. It's not as though they spent 6 years, day and night, looking only for this person to the exclusion of all others. Looking for the man the Smith family saw would have been a better bet.

 

[haden]

Even if they had found this man- eggman- on day 2, what difference would it have made? He had nothing to do with it. It's not as though they spent 6 years, day and night, looking only for this person to the exclusion of all others. Looking for the man the Smith family saw would have been a better bet.

It would make a big difference. They would know that the man Jane Tanner has seen wasn't carrying Madeleine that night.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It would make a big difference. They would know that the man Jane Tanner has seen wasn't carrying Madeleine that night.

They did know. If they didn't, they should have. I wasn't even there and knew it wasn't the man Jane Tanner claimed to see.




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[FrayedKnot]

jessica's grandmother testified that the screen door was cut: http://voices.yahoo.com/jessica-lunsford-trial-opens-florida-230099.html?cat=17

we don't know that an intruder took HC, so, not a good (valid) comparison.

Well, it's a good comparison if you believe as I do, that the McCanns were involved in Maddie's death and disposal. :moo:

 

[FrayedKnot]

My point was simple really.
NO ONE knows who took Haleigh. There was no stranger evidence.

Children can and have been kidnapped by a stranger leaving NO evidence. IMO

Usually no evidence of an intruder means no intruder.

It is what it is. :twocents:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Hopefully we will all know soon.

Until that day, no one's opinion is any wronger than anyone elses.

There is no point getting upset about something that none of us really know.

I hate the way things are so convoluted in this case.

Amaral is not and has never been a "convicted criminal" or a disgrace or a bent incompetent copper, yet the IDI's are quite happy to label him as this which is inaccurate and unfair.

Assuming these posters are correct, ok yes he's wrong.

We also have his book, (which is not wrong) and the PJ files (which is how we know GA's book isn't wrong) and we have the British police information which includes -

The fact that it was the British who first "developed information" implicating the McCanns, and the British who paid for Grime and his dogs.

The British police have now totally discredited one of the main "witnesses"

The British have now illustrated that timeline simply doesn't work. The parents had to have seen the abductor, there is absolutely no way around that incredibly important fact now.

So...now we can all breath a sigh of relief, Amaral is a bad memory and the Yard have got it.

I find it incredibly unsurprising that what the British police are finding and telling us about is all pointing in one particular way, ironically (not) the exact same way the PJ went.

If the scenario is as I believe, every single Crimewatch announcement will be more nails in the IDI coffin.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hopefully we will all know soon.

Until that day, no one's opinion is any wronger than anyone elses.

There is no point getting upset about something that none of us really know.

I hate the way things are so convoluted in this case.

Amaral is not and has never been a "convicted criminal" or a disgrace or a bent incompetent copper, yet the IDI's are quite happy to label him as this which is inaccurate and unfair.

Assuming these posters are correct, ok yes he's wrong.

We also have his book, (which is not wrong) and the PJ files (which is how we know GA's book isn't wrong) and we have the British police information which includes -

The fact that it was the British who first "developed information" implicating the McCanns, and the British who paid for Grime and his dogs.

The British police have now totally discredited one of the main "witnesses"

The British have now illustrated that timeline simply doesn't work. The parents had to have seen the abductor, there is absolutely no way around that incredibly important fact now.

So...now we can all breath a sigh of relief, Amaral is a bad memory and the Yard have got it.

I find it incredibly unsurprising that what the British police are finding and telling us about is all pointing in one particular way, ironically (not) the exact same way the PJ went.

If the scenario is as I believe, every single Crimewatch announcement will be more nails in the IDI coffin.

Till there is only two left standing

Cheers!


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[Pinkhammer]

The theory about replacing Maddy with another child is a real stretch.

Even if it could be done with a look-alike, Maddy had some special features that the replacement would not have.

IIRC, Maddy had something special about her eyes. It would be hard to find another little girl with this same anomaly to replace her.

 

[haden]

Todays article from the Daily Telegraph.
Madeleine McCann: is there hope at last?
As a fresh Crimewatch appeal over Madeleine McCann's disappearance generates are huge response, are police any closer to solving the case?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...8/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

with quote from the DCI Redwood
"On one reading of the evidence, this case does have the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction," he said. "That would undoubtedly have involved reconnaissance, so we are really keen to find out who these people so that we can eliminate them."

and

To this day, anti-McCann "trolls" persist in voicing malevolent conspiracy theories on the internet. As of this weekend, some were even threatening to scupper the latest Crimewatch appeal by flooding Scotland Yard with false information.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Todays article from the Daily Telegraph.
Madeleine McCann: is there hope at last?
As a fresh Crimewatch appeal over Madeleine McCann's disappearance generates are huge response, are police any closer to solving the case?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...8/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

with quote from the DCI Redwood
"On one reading of the evidence, this case does have the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction," he said. "That would undoubtedly have involved reconnaissance, so we are really keen to find out who these people so that we can eliminate them."

and

To this day, anti-McCann "trolls" persist in voicing malevolent conspiracy theories on the internet. As of this weekend, some were even threatening to scupper the latest Crimewatch appeal by flooding Scotland Yard with false information.

What you bolded is certainly an interesting choice of words.

Another comment ... I find it hilarious the McCanns talk about not wanting to let their twins out of their sight! Right after the "abduction" did they hold their babies close? Did they not let them out if their sight? ummmm NO. They went straight back to the daycare ... right where they were ditched everyday prior.


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[jigzy]

Todays article from the Daily Telegraph.
Madeleine McCann: is there hope at last?
As a fresh Crimewatch appeal over Madeleine McCann's disappearance generates are huge response, are police any closer to solving the case?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...8/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

with quote from the DCI Redwood
"On one reading of the evidence, this case does have the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction," he said. "That would undoubtedly have involved reconnaissance, so we are really keen to find out who these people so that we can eliminate them."

and

To this day, anti-McCann "trolls" persist in voicing malevolent conspiracy theories on the internet. As of this weekend, some were even threatening to scupper the latest Crimewatch appeal by flooding Scotland Yard with false information.

Firstly, a journalist who uses quotation marks in place of inverted commas. (several examples in the actual article - not necessarily in the above)

As for "on one reading of the evidence, this case does have the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction" - careful wording, suggests to me that a second reading was to be the one to go on and that the first impression must not be taken on face value. Jmo.

 

[jigzy]

Todays article from the Daily Telegraph.
Madeleine McCann: is there hope at last?
As a fresh Crimewatch appeal over Madeleine McCann's disappearance generates are huge response, are police any closer to solving the case?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...8/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

with quote from the DCI Redwood
"On one reading of the evidence, this case does have the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction," he said. "That would undoubtedly have involved reconnaissance, so we are really keen to find out who these people so that we can eliminate them."

and

To this day, anti-McCann "trolls" persist in voicing malevolent conspiracy theories on the internet. As of this weekend, some were even threatening to scupper the latest Crimewatch appeal by flooding Scotland Yard with false information.

Seems unsurprising that this journalist seems to believe the abduction story - he has first hand experience of kidnap/abduction:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-profile-of-released-Telegraph-reporter.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-40-days-in-a-cave-held-by-Somali-gunmen.html

Jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Firstly, a journalist who uses quotation marks in place of inverted commas. (several examples in the actual article - not necessarily in the above)

As for "on one reading of the evidence, this case does have the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction" - careful wording, suggests to me that a second reading was to be the one to go on and that the first impression must not be taken on face value. Jmo.

And they are "keen" on "ELIMINATING" them


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