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PJ admitted that the children had been drugged
Kate's strange attitudes
A strange attitude by Kate, on the day of Madeleine's disappearance was pointed out by Fiona Payne, one of the members of the British group on holiday in P da L.
FP's witness statement says that Maddie's mother, during the first hours marked by despair and by a feeling close to frustration, several times approached the twins, holding her fingers close to their noses.
Sean and Amélie were asleep at this time, but Kate seemed to want to confirm that that her youngest children were alive, checking if they were breathing.
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Correio da Manha (http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.a...0-000000000010)
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19 Agosto 2008 - 00h30
This is very weird. I could TOTALLY understand Kate's concern that the "abductor" might have drugged her twins...Matter of fact, I would even praise her if she would have rushed them to a local hospital to run lab tests to make sure nothing harmful had been injected in them. Isn't it odd that she would check to see if they were still breathing, but not immediately think the abductor might have poisoned them...you know, to keep them quiet or something. How come she was so sure the "abductor" did nothing to harm her other children.:waitasec:
Not only did she leave her twins alone in the apartment after the "abductor" took one of her children, she didn't have a medical tox screening done to make sure the "abductor" didn't harm them either. She must have been pretty close friends with the "abductor" to trust them so completely. The twins were so knocked out that she felt it nessary to check for their respiration (several times), they never woke in the all the major chaos, but they didn't think once to have them tested for a potentially deadly injectable poison?
Or to wake them up!!! Isn't that the first thing you would do? Wake them up and ask where is Maddie? I think I would do this, even before I screamed for help from others. At that moment when it began to dawn on me that she was not in the apartment, I would be shaking the other 2 awake and asking where is Maddie? And then I would definitely be taking them both with me if I left the room.
I don't understand how she could have left them behind. In a panic you don't always do what you think you would do, however in a panic from a missing child would make you want to be doubly sure the other children were there. You would pick them up!
Salem
Or to wake them up!!! Isn't that the first thing you would do? Wake them up and ask where is Maddie? I think I would do this, even before I screamed for help from others. At that moment when it began to dawn on me that she was not in the apartment, I would be shaking the other 2 awake and asking where is Maddie? And then I would definitely be taking them both with me if I left the room.
I don't understand how she could have left them behind. In a panic you don't always do what you think you would do, however in a panic from a missing child would make you want to be doubly sure the other children were there. You would pick them up!
Salem
Absolutely agree Salem, you would of course waken the other children in an attempt to find out what happened & you certainly would not leave them alone if you thought that one child had been abducted!
If Madeleine did die from sedation or the repercussions thereof such as an accident, it takes two EXTREMELY callous parents to just dump her little body! Regardless of any personal consequences, I doubt that many parents could be so cruel!
If Madeleine did die from sedation or the repercussions thereof such as an accident, it takes two EXTREMELY callous parents to just dump her little body! Regardless of any personal consequences, I doubt that many parents could be so cruel!
Wasn't there a leaked photo from those recently revealed photos? Didn't we have a link somewhere to it? I can't find it now!
I've never understood why the twins weren't wakened. At that age, immediately after the fact, they could have told something.
Kate left the twins to run back to the restaurant.
She didn't try to awaken the children to ask where Maddie was, to see if they knew anything, even toddler talk.
As Tony Bennet has pointed out, there seems to be some line of thinking that the twins weren't there at all at first, but were brought from someone else's room, based on I believe, Charlotte Pennington's account.
Texana, I remember well a report last year that stated that ALL the children of the Mc Canns and the other doctors were kept in ONE APARTMENT, sometimes it was the Mc Cann's apartment and they would rotate. This would make MORE sense, since ONE person could go and check ALL the kids at once.
Doesn't the fact that rather than wake the twins, she checked their breathing, show how callous she is?
Doesn't ignoring Maddie's plea to not be left alone show how callous she is?
Doesn't leaving all 3 of them alone, knowing full well the myriad of accidents they might have, show how callous she is?
Doesn't leaving the twins in the creche day after day (do you suppose they were scared to be left?) after Maddie's vanishing show how callous she is?
I could probably come up with some more (feel free) but I think I have made my point.
She is callous with a capital C and Gerry, who stood by and did nothing, guilty by association, with a capital G!!
You're so right Barnaby! I am a mother of three and if something like this happens to me, I would be so depressed and angry with myself that I WILL WILLING GO TO PRISON FOR IT!
I was thinking guys, since we know Maddie was crying on May 1st and probably "ruined" her parent's dinner with her crying, I wonder if they decided to INCREASE THE DOSE of whatever they were giving her to make sure she sleeps throughout the night and the dose ended up being fatal?
"McCann children 'were not alone in apartment'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2621809.ece
(I'm not Texana, but I am a Texan.)
Thanks for this article link, Morag. Not to change the subject, but it was just a few days ago that everyone was talking about the email from the FSS. Here is a snip from this article:
"A source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which carried out the tests on behalf of the Portuguese authorities, is reported to have said that the results showed police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects."
So there was someone at the FSS that thought the forensics would be positive.
Salem
The thoughts regarding the twins are very valid, I beleive.
Or did the friend 'phone the Tapas to tell them they had heard crying from the apartment and when Kate came to check she was confronted with a terrible scene, which included Maddie being there? Although we have been told that - depite earlier stories - Gerry used a key to get in and came in the front door, we have not been told how Kate got in. Did she also have to use a key and is this why the other doctors checks didnt involve entering the apartment?
If we assume that all the doors were in fact locked, doesnt that remove any chance at all of Madeleine having been abducted - unless of course, someone had a key? Why is this possibility never discussed?
Thanks for this article link, Morag. Not to change the subject, but it was just a few days ago that everyone was talking about the email from the FSS. Here is a snip from this article:
"A source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which carried out the tests on behalf of the Portuguese authorities, is reported to have said that the results showed police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects."
So there was someone at the FSS that thought the forensics would be positive.
Salem
Thanks, Salem, this is what I've thought all along--that not everyone at the lab agreed--
The thoughts regarding the twins are very valid, I beleive.
The odd behaviour of not checking with your friend, supposedly in a nearby apartment, to see if perhaps she had heard Maddie crying (in view of the previous mornings crying story and McCann puzzlement) and come to get her has been defneded by saying she was in a panic (a GP in a panic, tut tut?). But if she was in a panic, how come she doesnt awaken the twins as was suggested above, in a panic, to see if they knew anything. Was it, perhaps, becase they had locked the doors and Madeleine couldnt have been taken by the friend? Or did the friend 'phone the Tapas to tell them they had heard crying from the apartment and when Kate came to check she was confronted with a terrible scene, which included Maddie being there? Although we have been told that - depite earlier stories - Gerry used a key to get in and came in the front door, we have not been told how Kate got in. Did she also have to use a key and is this why the other doctors checks didnt involve entering the apartment?
If we assume that all the doors were in fact locked, doesnt that remove any chance at all of Madeleine having been abducted - unless of course, someone had a key? Why is this possibility never discussed?
Colomom said:FP's witness statement says that Maddie's mother, during the first hours marked by despair and by a feeling close to frustration, several times approached the twins, holding her fingers close to their noses.
Sean and Amélie were asleep at this time, but Kate seemed to want to confirm that that her youngest children were alive, checking if they were breathing.
Doesn't the fact that rather than wake the twins, she checked their breathing, show how callous she is?