Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[Gozgals]

O/T - I'm really sad this evening thinking about these precious little girls - Maddie, Caylee and Haleigh. I know there are many more children and boys also, but for me these 3 cases have taken up the majority of my time on WS.

I feel pretty certain about what happened to Maddie and we know what happened to Caylee. With Haleigh - I do not have a strong feeling in any direction. So sad.

I hope these three little girls have each other to play with and are singing and dancing with the angels.

It just dawned on me, their ages - Caylee 2 going on 3; Maddie 3 going on 4 and Haleigh 5. Wow - such babies.

Salem

I agree with you. I am sad too and appreciate your post. God Bless these children. They deserved so much more in life and should have been out playing and growing. My heart breaks when I think of the three of them and how their dreams have been stolen.

Always
Gozgals

 

[april4sky]

[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7548108.stm[/URL]

One paragraph from the Final Report….Volume 17, page 4,647, in which the Portuguese public prosecutor outlines his conclusions…..

"No element of proof was found... as to the circumstances in which the child was taken from the apartment (whether alive, whether dead, whether the victim of negligent homicide or wilful homicide, whether the victim of kidnap-to-order or an opportunistic kidnap).

"We can't even make a consistent prognosis of her fate, including... whether she is alive or dead."

 

[Sophie]

Thank you for the welcomes! In all truth, I don't have a set theory on this case and I'm probably pretty much of a fence-sitter although the questions Kate refused to answer and the general McCann demeanour (which I know isn't evidence but does influence thinking) put me closer to one side of the fence than the other...

 

[Texana]

O/T - I'm really sad this evening thinking about these precious little girls - Maddie, Caylee and Haleigh. I know there are many more children and boys also, but for me these 3 cases have taken up the majority of my time on WS.

I feel pretty certain about what happened to Maddie and we know what happened to Caylee. With Haleigh - I do not have a strong feeling in any direction. So sad.

I hope these three little girls have each other to play with and are singing and dancing with the angels.

It just dawned on me, their ages - Caylee 2 going on 3; Maddie 3 going on 4 and Haleigh 5. Wow - such babies.

Salem

They were such babies, weren't they? It is heartbreaking to think of what happened to them, and how much that differs from what they should have had.

And then you think of the children whose faces and names we do not even know. I would add to the list Riley Sawyers (Baby Grace) as well.

Sophie, welcome.

 

[Salem]

You're right Tex! Prayers for Riley. That was such a sad, sad case.

I just don't understand why, if the knows someone will take the child and they can be free, why can't they just let the child be with that someone that will love and take care of them? Why?

Salem

 

[Isabella]

[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7548108.stm[/URL]

One paragraph from the Final Report….Volume 17, page 4,647, in which the Portuguese public prosecutor outlines his conclusions…..

"No element of proof was found... as to the circumstances in which the child was taken from the apartment (whether alive, whether dead, whether the victim of negligent homicide or wilful homicide, whether the victim of kidnap-to-order or an opportunistic kidnap).

"We can't even make a consistent prognosis of her fate, including... whether she is alive or dead."

No offence...but in my opinion...unlike the McCanns and there friends - the DOGS NO NOT LIE"

 

[april4sky]

No offence...but in my opinion...unlike the McCanns and there friends - the DOGS NO NOT LIE"

DOGS DON'T TALK EITHER!!

But dog handlers do!
Isabella try reading the PJ's final report which includes the dog handlers conclusions.

 

[Isabella]

DOGS DON'T TALK EITHER!!

But dog handlers do!
Isabella try reading the PJ's final report which includes the dog handlers conclusions.

No offence but i saw the video - i also saw an interview with the dog handlers earlier on. He in fact said the dogs had never been wrong before.

I find it strange that they would destroy the reputation of what was supposedly 2 of the best dogs in the world at this kind of thing..and also the world famous testing laboratory..for these people.

But as i said before..even if the McCanns never get charged - in the field of public opinion..in this country they are seen to be guilty so..hopefully they will never forget there actions on that holiday - whatever they may have been. MOO

 

[april4sky]

No offence but i saw the video - i also saw an interview with the dog handlers earlier on. He in fact said the dogs had never been wrong before.

I find it strange that they would destroy the reputation of what was supposedly 2 of the best dogs in the world at this kind of thing..and also the world famous testing laboratory..for these people.

But as i said before..even if the McCanns never get charged - in the field of public opinion..in this country they are seen to be guilty so..hopefully they will never forget there actions on that holiday - whatever they may have been. MOO

No offence either Isabella but this is your opinion and has no basis in fact!
Nor is it the opinion or conclusion of the dogs handlers.

Have you read the dog handlers conclusions in the final report?

 

[Isabella]

This is your opinion Isabella and has no basis in fact!
Nor is it the opinion or conclusion of the dogs handlers.

Have you read the dog handlers conclusions in the final report?

What is my opinion? That most people think there guilty that live in this country? I in fact dont know one person who think there innocent. I have read many many message boards before they got deleted in this country- i have read newspapers in this country...and its the same everywhere. And..i do live in this country not the other side of the world. Just read the comments from the British on this board even...

And again..i saw an interview with the dog handler..and someone from the lab ..and then..later on they changed there mind ( or was got at more to the point IMO)..but again..to m e the dogs dont lie..i saw they acted. I also saw how the McCanns acted..and there friends and i know who i believe without a shadow of a doubt sorry.

And nothing you can ever say will change that. It is what it is. If the McCanns had told the truth along with there friends there wouldnt be so many discrepancies sorry.

 

[april4sky]

What is my opinion? That most people think there guilty that live in this country? I in fact dont know one person who think there innocent. I have read many many message boards before they got deleted in this country- i have read newspapers in this country...and its the same everywhere. And..i do live in this country not the other side of the world. Just read the comments from the British on this board even...

And again..i saw an interview with the dog handler..and someone from the lab ..and then..later on they changed there mind ( or was got at more to the point IMO)..but again..to m e the dogs dont lie..i saw they acted. I also saw how the McCanns acted..and there friends and i know who i believe without a shadow of a doubt sorry.

And nothing you can ever say will change that. It is what it is. If the McCanns had told the truth along with there friends there wouldnt be so many discrepancies sorry.

Sorry Isabella but I don't believe most in the UK think they are guilty - not for a second!
I have relatives and friends there and it's not the feedback I get - not by a long shot.
And not all the Brits who have posted here have thought them guilty either!

Now if we are talking about blogs and message boards - the Jerry Springer type - thats different.

The dog handlers didn't change their minds. Until the forensics were done they couldn't have made a determination.

And if you are into conspiracy theories Isabella then we are back to opinions again.

 

[Isabella]

Sorry Isabella but I don't believe most in the UK think they are guilty - not for a second!
I have relatives and friends there and it's not the feedback I get - not by a long shot.
And not all the Brits who have posted here have thought them guilty either!

Now if we are talking about blogs and message boards - the Jerry Springer type - thats different.

The dog handlers didn't change their minds. Until the forensics were done they couldn't have made a determination.

And if you are into conspiracy theories Isabella then we are back to opinions again.

In a daily paper there was a vote and 80% of the voters thought the McCanns knew what happened that night. I can honestly say hand on hand...as a resident of this country i dont know anyone who thinks the McCanns are innocent. I actually at the time lived just a few miles from the McCanns also..and again the local feeling was they knew more than they was telling.

At the end of the day there is not one scrap of evidence Madeleiene was kidnapped. There is evidence from people involved that the McCanns and there friends/spokespeople/agents didnt act as they should have done.

And what i truly dont understand..is if my daughter was "kidnapped" i would do ANYTHING i could to work with the police in Portugal. I would answer anything i was asked. I would do reconstructions..ANYTHING...if it meant helping my little girl..ANYTHING..i sure wouldnt refuse to asnwer questions or try to impede the investigation in any way.

MOO

 

[april4sky]

In a daily paper there was a vote and 80% of the voters thought the McCanns knew what happened that night. I can honestly say hand on hand...as a resident of this country i dont know anyone who thinks the McCanns are innocent. I actually at the time lived just a few miles from the McCanns also..and again the local feeling was they knew more than they was telling.

At the end of the day there is not one scrap of evidence Madeleiene was kidnapped. There is evidence from people involved that the McCanns and there friends/spokespeople/agents didnt act as they should have done.

And what i truly dont understand..is if my daughter was "kidnapped" i would do ANYTHING i could to work with the police in Portugal. I would answer anything i was asked. I would do reconstructions..ANYTHING...if it meant helping my little girl..ANYTHING..i sure wouldnt refuse to asnwer questions or try to impede the investigation in any way.

MOO

There is not one scrap of evidence that the McCanns harmed Madeleine.
And I personally know many in the UK who think the McCanns innocent and the final report is the confirmation for me.

There were witnesses "not just Jane Tanner" who saw a man carrying a child that night.
And according to the final report there were unidentified fingerprints found in the apartment.

Isabella can you provide the link for the vote you mentioned?

And Kate was following advice from her lawyer when she refused to answer those questions.
It was also clear by then the McCanns had lost faith in the PJ as they were leaking lies to the press so I can't say I blame her.

 

[Isabella]

There is not one scrap of evidence that the McCanns harmed Madeleine.
And I personally know many in the UK who think the McCanns innocent and the final report is the confirmation for me.

There were witnesses "not just Jane Tanner" who saw a man carrying a child that night.
And according to the final report there were unidentified fingerprints found in the apartment.

Isabella can you provide the link for the vote you mentioned?

And Kate was following advice from her lawyer when she refused to answer those questions.
It was also clear by then the McCanns had lost faith in the PJ as they were leaking lies to the press so I can't say I blame her.

With respect the McCanns reps was leaking things to the press. The way the McCanns and there friends and Mr Pink Shirt Mitchell ridiculed the Portugese police was simply disgusting. There are no other words for it. It made me ashamed to be British.

As for the vote it was on the front page of one of the dailies a year ago at least. The Express or Mail. Whether it is still there or not i dont know...seeing as Mitchell tried to get everything negative out of our papers regarding the McCanns.

As for the unidentified fingerprints..no offence..but when the Pjs got there...the place was teeeming with people..and i very m uch doubt all those people were even k nown to the McCanns to be checked off.

As for people seeing a man holding a child. Actually... Martin Smith claimed that after seeing Gerry McCann walk down the runway at East Midlands airport carrying one of the twins...that the guy he saw down by the beach carrying a child could have been Gerry or closely resembled him. The guy in charge was going to get him over to question this..and then..oh dear he got replaced..and after that apparenly Martin Smith changed his story.

Regarding Jane Tanner. Well firstly she claims she saw a walking eggman. At one point...it "could have been a child" and this progressed to it was " definetly a child with pink pyjamas on" over some weeks. Likewise the egg man description changed also. Im just surprised she didnt give a description of someone who looked like RM. The thing is...GM and JW claim that Tanner wasnt where she said she was...and the waiter claimed it was the guys who left the bar ( til Kate went out) so..theres more holes in Janes story than a sieve. And again if your telling the truth there should be no discrepancies. I'm sorry but i simply do not believe Janes story based on the info at hand - and the question is..why would she lie? Well IMO to protect her R'OB who i also think was involved that night.

Not just that..if the McCanns were innocent..and there child was kidnapped..why..did the friends lie about RM being there that night? Why did they hire the goons who later went intimidating people? They harassed JM and others have said they was offered money by Metado to make false sightings of Madeleine. Why would Metado do this if..the Mccanns were innocent? Why would they have there PI's harassing old women? How weird is it that the woman from the petrol station in Morocoo who supposedly saw Madeleine came from the same city as the McCanns? Why did the MCanns backer go and see RM for? Im sorry but IMO Metado are dodgy as anything ...

And another thing..the McCanns and there friends..you would think would want to help the police...but well normal parents would yes but..not only did they not answer the questions asked of them ( KM) but..before the friends would agree to talk to the Pjs in this country the PJS had to spend months getting permission cos the friends wouldnt talk to the pjs without it. The friends wouldnt do the reconstruction ( they claim the McCanns told them not to). Why didnt ANY of them want to help find this little girl?

 

[april4sky]

With respect the McCanns reps was leaking things to the press. The way the McCanns and there friends and Mr Pink Shirt Mitchell ridiculed the Portugese police was simply disgusting. There are no other words for it. It made me ashamed to be British.

With respect it was the PJ who leaked LIES. And the final report is proof of this.

As for the vote it was on the front page of one of the dailies a year ago at least. The Express or Mail. Whether it is still there or not i dont know...seeing as Mitchell tried to get everything negative out of our papers regarding the McCanns.

The Express - well enough said I think. The lies they printed cost them dearly.

As for the unidentified fingerprints..no offence..but when the Pjs got there...the place was teeeming with people..and i very m uch doubt all those people were even k nown to the McCanns to be checked off.

Panic would have happened in any emergency like this one. And it doesn't change the "fact" that there were unidentified fingerprints found, any of which could have belonged to the kidnapper.

As for people seeing a man holding a child. Actually... Martin Smith claimed that after seeing Gerry McCann walk down the runway at East Midlands airport carrying one of the twins...that the guy he saw down by the beach carrying a child could have been Gerry or closely resembled him. The guy in charge was going to get him over to question this..and then..oh dear he got replaced..and after that apparenly Martin Smith changed his story.

Isabella if you read the final report it clearly states Gerry McCann was seated at the Tapas bar at the same time Martin Smith reported he saw the man carrying a child.
Disgraced ex-cop Amaral knows this but purposely left this "fact" out of his book.

This is the first time I have heard it claimed Martin Smith changed his story!
The number of people accused of being part of this "conspiracy" would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

Regarding Jane Tanner. Well firstly she claims she saw a walking eggman. At one point...it "could have been a child" and this progressed to it was " definetly a child with pink pyjamas on" over some weeks. Likewise the egg man description changed also. Im just surprised she didnt give a description of someone who looked like RM. The thing is...GM and JW claim that Tanner wasnt where she said she was...and the waiter claimed it was the guys who left the bar ( til Kate went out) so..theres more holes in Janes story than a sieve. And again if your telling the truth there should be no discrepancies. I'm sorry but i simply do not believe Janes story based on the info at hand - and the question is..why would she lie? Well IMO to protect her R'OB who i also think was involved that night.

Again Jane Tanner never changed her statement. Read the final report. The PJ and the press - often fed by the PJ were the ones responsible for the malicious missinformation.

Not just that..if the McCanns were innocent..and there child was kidnapped..why..did the friends lie about RM being there that night? Why did they hire the goons who later went intimidating people? They harassed JM and others have said they was offered money by Metado to make false sightings of Madeleine. Why would Metado do this if..the Mccanns were innocent? Why would they have there PI's harassing old women? How weird is it that the woman from the petrol station in Morocoo who supposedly saw Madeleine came from the same city as the McCanns? Why did the MCanns backer go and see RM for? Im sorry but IMO Metado are dodgy as anything ...

This is just rumour and opinion Isabella which I neither believe nor share.

And another thing..the McCanns and there friends..you would think would want to help the police...but well normal parents would yes but..not only did they not answer the questions asked of them ( KM) but..before the friends would agree to talk to the Pjs in this country the PJS had to spend months getting permission cos the friends wouldnt talk to the pjs without it. The friends wouldnt do the reconstruction ( they claim the McCanns told them not to). Why didnt ANY of them want to help find this little girl?

Again we have a difference of opinion.
IMO the PJ, and Amaral specifically, were completely incompetent and is the reason disgraced ex-cop Amaral was "removed."
And the McCanns with the help of many, many people are the only ones trying to find Madeleine. This has been the case for a very long time because it was clear the PJ gave up long ago - thanks to disgraced ex-cop Amarals incompetence.

It's very telling "apart from the incompetent PJ" when you consider that everyone who has met the McCanns, especially all the people who spent a lot of time with them in the weeks following Madeleine's disapearance fully support and believe in them.

 

[Isabella]

With respect it was the PJ who leaked LIES. And the final report is proof of this.


The Express - well enough said I think. The lies they printed cost them dearly.

Panic would have happened in any emergency like this one. And it doesn't change the "fact" that there were unidentified fingerprints found, any of which could have belonged to the kidnapper.

Isabella if you read the final report it clearly states Gerry McCann was seated at the Tapas bar at the same time Martin Smith reported he saw the man carrying a child.
Disgraced ex-cop Amaral knows this but purposely left this "fact" out of his book.

This is the first time I have heard it claimed Martin Smith changed his story!
The number of people accused of being part of this "conspiracy" would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

Again Jane Tanner never changed her statement. Read the final report. The PJ and the press - often fed by the PJ were the ones responsible for the malicious missinformation. This is just rumour and opinion Isabella which I neither believe nor share.
Again we have a difference of opinion.
IMO the PJ, and Amaral specifically, were completely incompetent and is the reason disgraced ex-cop Amaral was "removed."
And the McCanns with the help of many, many people are the only ones trying to find Madeleine. This has been the case for a very long time because it was clear the PJ gave up long ago - thanks to disgraced ex-cop Amarals incompetence.

It's very telling "apart from the incompetent PJ" when you consider that everyone who has met the McCanns, especially all the people who spent a lot of time with them in the weeks following Madeleine's disapearance fully support and believe in them.

No offence but i disagree with everything you have put.


No offence but..you think every one lies except the McCanns. Which is laughable.

Firstly Clarence Mitchell leaked lies..they tried to make the Portugese police look as stupid as they could. No wonder the Pjs got mad..if it was even indeed the Pjs even leaking it..which i seriously wonder about sometimes

The Express were not found guilty of printing lies. They settled out of court because it was cheaper. The press complaints committee recently wanted to know why they went for money and not trying to get the truth put in the papers..go and figure..

It is not rumour about the woman at the Moroccan petrol station coming from Leicester. It is not rumour about JM being harassed by Metado. And you didnt know about Martin Smith saying the guy he saw looked like Gerry? what a surprise.

Yes Jane Tanners story DID change. To start with she was telling our papers she saw a guy carrying something in a blanket that COULD have been a child. Weeks later she said it was definetly a little girl with pyjamas on that resembled Madeleines. Now whether it was in the report i dont know but she told our papers that and thats a fact. As for Wilson..yes he and Gerry said that they did not see Tanner where she alleges she was.

As for Amaral..you may think hes a disgraced cop. However..most of Portugal appear to be rather proud of him. I dont think hes a disgraced cop at all. In reality the only people who think that are people who think the McCanns are innocent. The people who are

scared of the truth coming out.

Martin Smith said .. he was going home between 9.50 and 11 pm...and that he saw the guy carrying the child. He said this guy looked like Gerry. Amaral was going to have him called over..and then lost his job. Then Smiths story changed after the visit from Metado so go and figure.

And again - ive never seen any indication of the McCanns trying to find there daughter. Ive seen indication of them trying to get money..and plenty of it but ..

Btw why do you put so much stock in the report..if you dont trust the pjs? Most of the pjs were very supportive of Amaral in fact.

And no its not telling that people like the Payne support them. Not at all. They had every reason to support the McCanns. There own livelihoods were at risk cos of it.

MOO

 

[april4sky]

No offence but i disagree with everything you have put.

No worries Isabella.

No offence but..you think every one lies except the McCanns. Which is laughable.
Firstly Clarence Mitchell leaked lies..they tried to make the Portugese police look as stupid as they could. No wonder the Pjs got mad..if it was even indeed the Pjs even leaking it..which i seriously wonder about sometimes

The PJ didn't need any help - they did that all by themselves. :doh:

The Express were found not guilty of printing lies. In fact they settled out of court because it was cheaper. The press complaints committee recently wanted to know why they went for money and not trying to get the truth put in the papers..go and figure..

It's absolutely untrue that the Express were found not guilty of printing many lies. IN FACT they admitted their guilt and apologised on their front page - along with other newspapers guilty of doing the same thing.
Living in the UK i'm surprised you didn't know this.

And the press wouldn't have settled out of court if they were innocent - In fact they, along with the others only settled out of court because it would have cost them a lot more to have gone to court. They cut their losses!!

It is not rumour about the woman at the Moroccan petrol station coming from Leicester. It is not rumour about JM being harassed by Metado. And you didnt know about Martin Smith saying the guy he saw looked like Gerry? what a surprise.

Except for Martin smith these are rumours!

And yes I did know Martin Smith said he thought the man looked like Gerry McCann.
I also know it states in the final report the man he saw couldn't have been Gerry McCann as it was confirmed he was at the Tapas bar at the same time of the reported sighting - So no Isabella, no surprise.

And because of the timing it could very well have been the abductor he saw with Madeleine.

Yes Jane Tanners story DID change. To start with she was telling our papers she saw a guy carrying something in a blanket that COULD have been a child. Weeks later she said it was definetly a little girl with pyjamas on that resembled Madeleines. Now whether it was in the report i dont know but she told our papers that and thats a fact. As for Wilson..yes he and Gerry said that they did not see Tanner where she alleges she was.

Jane Tanner did not contradict her statement - the PJ and the press put out lots of missinformation about her and others.

And it's not unusual for people engrosed in a conversation together to not notice if someone walks by them.

As for Amaral..you may think hes a disgraced cop. However..most of Portugal appear to be rather proud of him. I dont think hes a disgraced cop at all.

We obviously disgree about disgraced ex-cop Amaral - No worries.

In reality the only people who think that are people who think the McCanns are innocent. The people who are
scared of the truth coming out.

Oh give me a break Isabella - I would love for the truth to come out - Believe me you can't want that any more than I do!!

Martin Smith said .. he was going home between 9.50 and 11 pm...and that he saw the guy carrying the child. He said this guy looked like Gerry. Amaral was going to have him called over..and then lost his job. Then Smiths story changed after the visit from Metado so go and figure.

Read the final report - Disgraced ex-cop Amaral knows very well that Martin Smiths statement was fully checked out.
Amaral lied to make money out of Madeleine - Simple as that!

And again - ive never seen any indication of the McCanns trying to find there daughter. Ive seen indication of them trying to get money..and plenty of it but .

I have heard this claim before - Sorry but I thought it nonsence then and I think it nonsence now.

Btw why do you put so much stock in the report..if you dont trust the pjs? Most of the pjs were very supportive of Amaral in fact.

Isabella why don't you believe the final report? You seem to have faith in Amaral and the PJ!!

I believe the final report because in that report the PJ couldn't include the "missinformation" they were so fond of. It is in fact a legal document which has to stand up to scrutiny. They couldn't play games with it.

And no its not telling that people like the Payne support them. Not at all. They had every reason to support the McCanns. There own livelihoods were at risk cos of it.
MOO

Conspiracy theories again!

 

[Isabella]

No worries Isabella.
The PJ didn't need any help - they did that all by themselves. :doh:
It's absolutely untrue that the Express were found not guilty of printing many lies. IN FACT they admitted their guilt and apologised on their front page - along with other newspapers guilty of doing the same thing.
Living in the UK i'm surprised you didn't know this.

And the press wouldn't have settled out of court if they were innocent - In fact they, along with the others only settled out of court because it would have cost them a lot more to have gone to court. They cut their losses!!

Except for Martin smith these are rumours!

And yes I did know Martin Smith said he thought the man looked like Gerry McCann.
I also know it states in the final report the man he saw couldn't have been Gerry McCann as it was confirmed he was at the Tapas bar at the same time of the reported sighting - So no Isabella, no surprise.

And because of the timing it could very well have been the abductor he saw with Madeleine.

Jane Tanner did not contradict her statement - the PJ and the press put out lots of missinformation about her and others.

And it's not unusual for people engrosed in a conversation together to not notice if someone walks by them.
We obviously disgree about disgraced ex-cop Amaral - No worries.
Oh give me a break Isabella - I would love for the truth to come out - Believe me you can't want that any more than I do!!

Read the final report - Disgraced ex-cop Amaral knows very well that Martin Smiths statement was fully checked out.
Amaral lied to make money out of Madeleine - Simple as that!
I have heard this claim before - Sorry but I thought it nonsence then and I think it nonsence now.
Isabella why don't you believe the final report? You seem to have faith in Amaral and the PJ!!

I believe the final report because in that report the PJ couldn't include the "missinformation" they were so fond of. It is in fact a legal document which has to stand up to scrutiny. They couldn't play games with it.
Conspiracy theories again!

Duh Jane Tanner gave interviews to the British media in her home...it was NOT rumours or the pjs lieing jeez. They cant be blamed for something that came out of her mouth when she wasnt even in Portugal with the pjs.


As for the Express..they admitted it was cheaper to settle out of court because of the costs involved. And yes ofc i know the official statement also. But i also know what there lawyer said so.. Compared with the costs of compensation normally given out - the payment to the McCanns was pretty small and apparently less than what they made for selling the extra copies so i doubt they care.

You keep calling Amaral disgraced ex cop. Again..to be honest hes only disgraced to a very few people.

Again..as ive said several times Martin Smith changed his story after the visit from Metado.

It is NOT a rumour that the woman who supposedly saw Madeleine in Morocco came from Leicester. Its a fact.

Im curious why everyone but the McCanns and there friends are liars or disgraced? Im sure Mr Amaral didnt leave his children so he could go drinking for hours some distance away.


Pretty disgusting behaviour for Doctors IMO

What i would like at this point ( tho i think its way to late ) is for the FBI to investigate this case. And no interference from Gordon Brown or anyone else.

 

[april4sky]

Duh Jane Tanner gave interviews to the British media in her home...it was NOT rumours or the pjs lieing jeez. They cant be blamed for something that came out of her mouth when she wasnt even in Portugal with the pjs.

As for the Express..they admitted it was cheaper to settle out of court because of the costs involved. And yes ofc i know the official statement also. But i also know what there lawyer said so.. Compared with the costs of compensation normally given out - the payment to the McCanns was pretty small and apparently less than what they made for selling the extra copies so i doubt they care.

You keep calling Amaral disgraced ex cop. Again..to be honest hes only disgraced to a very few people.

Again..as ive said several times Martin Smith changed his story after the visit from Metado.

It is NOT a rumour that the woman who supposedly saw Madeleine in Morocco came from Leicester. Its a fact.

Im curious why everyone but the McCanns and there friends are liars or disgraced? Im sure Mr Amaral didnt leave his children so he could go drinking for hours some distance away.
Pretty disgusting behaviour for Doctors IMO

What i would like at this point ( tho i think its way to late ) is for the FBI to investigate this case. And no interference from Gordon Brown or anyone else.

I'm well aware Jane Tanner gave an interview but she didn't discuss her statement due to Portuguese secrecy laws. At no time did she contradict anything in her statement.

The Express admitted they were GUILTY Arabella.
Check out the amount they had to pay the McCanns - it was a LOT more than you obviously think.
And I keep calling Amaral a disgraced ex-cop because thats exactly what he is.

The woman in Morroco may well have come from Leicester. Either way she was trying to help.

And who knows what the disgraced ex-cop Amaral gets up to, after all he is on trial on criminal charges.
I believe he's also been accused of wife beating.

Though I don't like it "as I have said many times" baby listening is not illegal as i'm sure you are well aware - being in the UK.
The McCanns made what turned out to be a tragic error of judgement IMO.

And I would like Madeleine found - and the truth to come out for Madeleine and her family.

 

[Salem]

Nice discussion guys! I really like seeing the back and forth on your respective opinions.

Salem