Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #19

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To me it looks like he is nervous, the way he sits, almost laying on the chair, moving his fingers. He seems desperate. IMO

Just googled body language interlaced fingers out of interest and looked briefly at a few pages. This page (13 Revealing Body Language Hand Gestures) describes what FF is doing, and attributes a meaning to it as pasted below. FF really grips as 33:21 (after being asked was CB acting with someone) 33:52 and 34:03 (when being asked what he would do if client were lying). I'm surprised at his apparent lack of awareness of his body language, given his profession.

10. Clasping hands, squeezing hands
Clasping and squeezing hands together is a self-pacifying gesture. A person who does this is uncomfortable, maybe even nervous or fearful. He's trying to assure himself, “Everything's going to be alright.” A variation of this is rubbing the wrist.

Clasped hands with interwoven fingers indicate great anxiety and frustration. That person is thinking, “Things are going really bad”. You better prepare yourself when you spot this.
 
I'm surprised at his apparent lack of awareness of his body language, given his profession.

I think that speaks well for him, as a person, that he's not all polished and poised in the art of deception.

Refreshing imo, particularly when you view it in the light of the historic bombasticity and condescension that accompanies this case.
 
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Did the sexta9 episode explain or hint at what these documents are that link NF, CB and the russians in the MM case? Could these be what FF found in Portugal? IMO I trust more HCW than a journalist. How could SF have seen these documents?! And where did she see them?
 
I think that speaks well for him, as a person, that he's not all polished and poised in the art of deception.

Refreshing imo, particularly when you view it in the light of the historic bombasticity and condescension that accompanies this case.
I am not sure if I find it refreshing. Perhaps I'd be glad if he is incompetent and doesn't help his client escape from prison ever again. (Even if CB is not involved in MM's case, which I doubt, he has proved himself a psycho pedo and rapist and his place is in jail for everything he has done)
 
I've just been reading about an Investigative journalist named Antonio Toscana who spoke to the PJ back in 2007. He said he had received a call from a 'Frederico' who gave the name or nickname of a suspect named 'Bernard Alapatite' -(a paedophile who was known to the journalist) saying Bernard, whose whereabouts were unknown since February, was actually in the Algarve when MM vanished! If such a paedophile is known to the journalist, he should know wether Bernard Alapatite' is his real name as opposed to his nickname. The witness statement is in the files X
This is an old story. AT came up with detailed information in a newspaper interview, he described being in a house on the French-German border and being shown terrible videos that were for sale. He also described the character of his Frenchman similar to CB
This newspaper article miraculously disappeared and AT did not even say a tenth of this in his PJ interview.
I must say the whole story of CB and his farmhouse reminded me of AT story and I wondered if this was connected.
 
I doubt that personally. The fact they are appealing for the mystery caller to place him at the scene indicates to me that they don't have much else to say he was there. I can see why HCW might refuse to comment on that aspect as the thousand questions to follow would revolve around what "do they have" to say CB is guilty then?

Equally, I suppose if they do have some other indicator to him being there, that would raise a lot of questions too. Very cryptic.
If very hypothetically HCW has a photo or video made inside the flat but which does not show the camera operator, then it becomes necessary to look for evidence of other types (phonedata etc etc) to prove whether it was the suspect who made the photo/video, IMO.
 
Just googled body language interlaced fingers out of interest and looked briefly at a few pages. This page (13 Revealing Body Language Hand Gestures) describes what FF is doing, and attributes a meaning to it as pasted below. FF really grips as 33:21 (after being asked was CB acting with someone) 33:52 and 34:03 (when being asked what he would do if client were lying). I'm surprised at his apparent lack of awareness of his body language, given his profession.

10. Clasping hands, squeezing hands
Clasping and squeezing hands together is a self-pacifying gesture. A person who does this is uncomfortable, maybe even nervous or fearful. He's trying to assure himself, “Everything's going to be alright.” A variation of this is rubbing the wrist.

Clasped hands with interwoven fingers indicate great anxiety and frustration. That person is thinking, “Things are going really bad”. You better prepare yourself when you spot this.
Very strange! I was also surprised by the body language of FF, it is completely different from him before. I was going to post about it last night but was too tired.
I wonder what happened to him to change from his arrogance and self-confidence into this panicky state.
Same time, HCW appears more methodical and confident.
 
I've just been reading about an Investigative journalist named Antonio Toscana who spoke to the PJ back in 2007. He said he had received a call from a 'Frederico' who gave the name or nickname of a suspect named 'Bernard Alapatite' -(a paedophile who was known to the journalist) saying Bernard, whose whereabouts were unknown since February, was actually in the Algarve when MM vanished! If such a paedophile is known to the journalist, he should know wether Bernard Alapatite' is his real name as opposed to his nickname. The witness statement is in the files X

Found this when I googled Bernard Alapetite. We know NF was involved in production. Could there be a connection? I wouldn’t rule it out.
Wednesday, 10 May, 2000, 14:16 GMT 15:16 UK
Child *advertiser censored* ring leader jailed
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The leader of a child *advertiser censored* ring has been jailed in France's biggest paedophile trial.
Bernard Alapetite, 47, who was charged with organising the paedophile ring, was sentenced to three years in jail by the court in Macon, south western France.

He copied foreign child sex videos, featuring rapes of boys aged under 15, and sold them for 800 francs ($120) each.

The court gave suspended sentences of between two and six months to more than 40 men found guilty of possessing the videos. Nine were found not guilty.

An accomplice of Paris publishing house boss Alapetite was given a four-month suspended sentence, and two filmmakers were fined.



BBC News | EUROPE | Child *advertiser censored* ring leader jailed
 
I've just been reading about an Investigative journalist named Antonio Toscana who spoke to the PJ back in 2007. He said he had received a call from a 'Frederico' who gave the name or nickname of a suspect named 'Bernard Alapatite' -(a paedophile who was known to the journalist) saying Bernard, whose whereabouts were unknown since February, was actually in the Algarve when MM vanished! If such a paedophile is known to the journalist, he should know wether Bernard Alapatite' is his real name as opposed to his nickname. The witness statement is in the files X
He was also known as the Frenchman, but apparently, he had an alibi for the dates MM was taken
 
I remember the AT interview, it was in a Spanish newspaper. Someone posted a photo of it online and it was translated.
He said he followed the Frenchman's traits for some time, that he is a very dangerous individual, cold blooded and that he acts alone. He said that the Frenchman invited him to his home in Germany thinking he was a video buyer. AT said he felt extremely scared and uncomfortable in Frenchman's house and that he was shown absolutely terrifying materials that hunted him later.
AT reported this group of people to police and they were all cleared by the court. AT got bitten up badly for his doing. He also said the group met usually at a bar in Seville and that they all have houses in the mountains around.

I am somehow sure that at least parts of this story are true and that they have something to do with CB!

Original Source: EXPRESS: WEDNESDAY 13 JUNE 2007
Wednesday June 13,2007
By David Pilditch
A SPANISH investigative journalist claimed yesterday he was “100 per cent certain”


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he knew the identity of Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper.

Antonio Toscano, 36, insisted the four-year-old was snatched by a mysterious criminal mastermind who belongs to an international paedophile ring.

He claims the shadowy figure, himself a convicted paedophile, snatched Madeleine to order on the instructions of two other people.

Toscano insists he knows the full name of the pervert – nicknamed The Frenchman – and has tried to pass on the information to senior officers investigating Madeleine’s disappearance. He says he has still not been questioned by Portuguese police 12 days after he first alerted them.

But Madeleine’s parents say Toscano refuses to answer any questions they put to him.

Last night Kate and Gerry McCann returned to Portugal from Morocco where they had been raising awareness of Madeleine’s disappearance.

They were said to be “driven up the wall” by Toscano’s claims.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “As soon as Mr Toscano contacted us via an intermediary we immediately spoke to him. At every stage Mr Toscano declined to provide a name for the suspect he believed was responsible for Madeleine’s abduction.

“This was both frustrating and potentially hurtful to Gerry and Kate. They were upset that this man appeared to be trying to give us important information but when asked the critical questions declined to do so.”

But yesterday Toscano told the Daily Express how he began investigating The Frenchman after receiving a tip-off from a mutual associate a week after Madeleine was taken from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve.

The caller told him he had bumped into the man in Seville, Spain, just a two-hour drive from the Portuguese border, a week before Madeleine was snatched in Praia da Luz on May 3.

The man told him he was heading to the Algarve to meet friends.

Toscano spent two weeks investigating the call but discovered the man has disappeared.

Toscano agreed to meet the Daily Express in a restaurant in Seville yesterday. He said: “I am 100 per cent certain this is the man who kidnapped Madeleine McCann.

“I have spoken to the police in Spain and Portugal but they have still not checked out the information.

“The Portuguese police said they did not want me to tell them the name over the phone but they have not sent anyone to interview me.

“All I want to do is meet the police and tell them what I know. I am prepared to do this immediately.

“I am fully aware that if I was not 100 per cent right the information I have revealed would be very upsetting to Madeleine’s family but I am certain that I am.

“I believe she is alive and is probably being held in Portugal. The sooner this is investigated the better the chances of a good conclusion to this sad story. I just want the little girl to be returned safely to her family.”

Toscano is a former Spanish TV reporter who specialises in child abduction cases. His claims were first published last week in respected Spanish daily newspaper El Mundo.

He said: “I have been successful in 14 of 15 cases I have investigated. Unfortunately in the 15th case the girl was found dead.

“I would offer my services to the McCanns if they asked me. I don’t want to make any money out of it. I would be willing to do it for free.”

Toscano revealed he first met The Frenchman in January 2003 while carrying out an undercover investigation on behalf of a private client. He told how they met at a private house close to the French border in Germany after infiltrating a European paedophile network. He said he was driven to the address in a vehicle with blacked-out windows.

The Frenchman offered to sell him for £6,000 an illegal 10-minute video of children between the ages of five and 12 being raped and tortured.

He did not buy the horror movie but returned to the property 10 days later when the man showed him a 30-minute video of children from all around the world being abused.

Toscano said he made his excuses and left. He said: “I was invited to a meeting with him posing as someone who wanted to buy child *advertiser censored* videos. As soon as I met him I did not like him. He tried to sell me the most vile illegal *advertiser censored*. He was very cold. I found him creepy.

“But he is meticulous and very businesslike. He is known as someone who never leaves a trace.

“Madeleine is not the first child he has taken to order. I don’t think he will have delivered her to the people who hired him yet. He would normally lie low for one to two months until all the fuss dies down. That is why I think Madeleine is still alive.

“He kidnaps to order. People pay him up to £200,000 to obtain a child. It could be people in power, politicians – anyone who could afford to pay this sort of money.”

Toscano said The Frenchman was white, thinly built and around 5ft 7in tall. He has blond short hair and is in his late 40s and has three known convictions for paedophile offences.

Toscano insists he has tried in vain to make contact with Portuguese police. But police chief Olegario Sousa said: “We want to talk with him and if he came to Portugal I would set up an immediate meeting.”

The agony of Madeleine’s parents has been intensified by a 2,000-signature internet petition demanding a social services investigation into their “neglect” in leaving their young children unattended in a hotel room.
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This is the photo of the Frenchman.
This is AT's description of him:
Toscano said The Frenchman was white, thinly built and around 5ft 7in tall. He has blond short hair and is in his late 40s
 
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Agreed. I think someone who is speaking to LE about CB is aware of something which was taken or done in the apartment. Something known to the abductor and LE, but not yet in the public domain.

I just read something from way back when CB first came into our consciousness and it was saying he knew something only the abductor would know, so this could very well be true.
 
I remember the AT interview, it was in a Spanish newspaper. Someone posted a photo of it online and it was translated.
He said he followed the Frenchman's traits for some time, that he is a very dangerous individual, cold blooded and that he acts alone. He said that the Frenchman invited him to his home in Germany thinking he was a video buyer. AT said he felt extremely scared and uncomfortable in Frenchman's house and that he was shown absolutely terrifying materials that hunted him later.
AT reported this group of people to police and they were all cleared by the court. AT got bitten up badly for his doing. He also said the group met usually at a bar in Seville and that they all have houses in the mountains around.

I am somehow sure that at least parts of this story are true and that they have something to do with CB!

Can you tell more exactly what that has that to do with CB, haden?
 
I believe HCW has access to several days data for all calls and txts which connected via all PdL masts IMO, yet he has mentioned no other activity of 912730680 apart from theone single incoming call. Strange. Is HCW sure this was CB's phone number? If so, how can he be so sure, without having any other calls or txts to provide verification?
 
Red, Herr Wolters said before he needed the caller to put CB's number in his hand. Yesterday he conceded at "Sexta às 9" he still doesn't have that info. Conclusion: that number isn't in CB's hand forensically speaking.
 
Can you tell more exactly what that has that to do with CB, haden?
I edited it and posted it above.
It was AT's description of the Frenchman that doesn't match his photo. It sounds more like CB. I don't believe AT went to Germany! I think there is more in this story and AT either got the wrong information or made it sound different to cover the traits.
Toscano said The Frenchman was white, thinly built and around 5ft 7in tall. He has blond short hair and is in his late 40s

The real Frenchman is chubby and has dark brown hair.

I will eat my hat if SY did not investigate ATs story thoroughly and that led them to the current findings.
 
I just read something from way back when CB first came into our consciousness and it was saying he knew something only the abductor would know, so this could very well be true.

And this is something that hasn't been shared publically and that they don't need to ask Madeleine's parents if it was true.
I wonder what that is?
 
I edited it and posted it above.
It was AT's description of the Frenchman that doesn't match his photo. It sounds more like CB. I don't believe AT went to Germany! I think there is more in this story and AT either got the wrong information or made it sound different to cover the traits.
Toscano said The Frenchman was white, thinly built and around 5ft 7in tall. He has blond short hair and is in his late 40s

The real Frenchman is chubby and has dark brown hair.

I will eat my hat if SY did not investigate ATs story thoroughly and that led them to the current findings.

You may be right. But hair can be dyed and 5"7 or 1.70m tall (average) and late forties doesn't look like CB in 2007 or before either.
 
And this is something that hasn't been shared publically and that they don't need to ask Madeleine's parents if it was true.
I wonder what that is?

I presume something taken from the apartment, or maybe done to the apartment. Could be something as simple as “I broke that chair arm when I tripped in the dark” or something the McCann’s reported was taken, other than Madeleine, that they were asked not to make public.
 
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