Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[Taskforce88]

A 43-year-old German prisoner who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

New suspect identified in Madeleine McCann case

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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ETA: Typo > "now" was intended to be "not". Big difference there

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Scorpiette]

Hello?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Hello?

Hello, dear Scorpiette!

 

[redplanet]

Whilst trying to follow the flow of this report which jumps from sighting to sighting I almost missed this one (my italics) ...

"The Sun understands from another British witness that Portuguese detectives circulated a photograph of Christian B years ago but failed to act.
The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely in the days after Madeleine went missing."

Madeleine witness says Christian B IS man she saw near apartment

 

[SuperdadV8]

Whilst trying to follow the flow of this report which jumps from sighting to sighting I almost missed this one (my italics) ...

"The Sun understands from another British witness that Portuguese detectives circulated a photograph of Christian B years ago but failed to act.
The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely in the days after Madeleine went missing."

(link will be added here)

That could lead to the assumption, that photographic evidence could be a key to solve the case? Not even related to MM but maybe to CB and other people?

 

[Dlk79]

Whilst trying to follow the flow of this report which jumps from sighting to sighting I almost missed this one (my italics) ...

"The Sun understands from another British witness that Portuguese detectives circulated a photograph of Christian B years ago but failed to act.
The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely in the days after Madeleine went missing."

Madeleine witness says Christian B IS man she saw near apartment

In the Daily Mail report on the same story, it says a witness who saw the photo in 2007 was a Nanny in the resort who looked after MM. Don't know if they mean Ms. Baker or someone else though.

A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann in the holiday resort before she disappeared recognised a photo of Christian Brueckner when she was shown it by Portuguese police.

She was handed the photo and told his name just five days after the child disappeared

And it doesn't say in that report that they saw him behaving bizarrely, just that they were shown his photo by police and didn't recognise him. In some respects, sounds like they may be talking about the same witness but the accounts are different so either one of them has got their story wrong or they're talking about different people who were shown a photo of CB in 2007.
Madeleine witness says Brueckner IS the man she saw near apartment

 

[redplanet]

That could lead to the assumption, that photographic evidence could be a key to solve the case? Not even related to MM but maybe to CB and other people?

The word which jumped out at me is "in the days after".

 

[SuperdadV8]

The word which jumped out at me is "in the days after".

Would assume, that "the days after" are part of the Investigation. Maybe the crucial part....

 

[redplanet]

In the Daily Mail report on the same story, it says a witness whpnsaw the phot in 2007 was a Nanny in the resort who looked after MM. Don't know if they mean Ms. Baker or someone else though.

A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann in the holiday resort before she disappeared recognised a photo of Christian Brueckner when she was shown it by Portuguese police.

She was handed the photo and told his name just five days after the child disappeared

And it doesn't say in that report that they saw him behaving bizarrely, just that they were shown his photo by police and didn't recognise him. In some respects, sounds like they may be talking about the same witness but the accounts are different so either one of them has got their story wrong or they're talking about different people who were shown a photo of CB in 2007.
Madeleine witness says Brueckner IS the man she saw near apartment

TY "five days after" is interesting. This could simply be the newspaper being inaccurate. Possibly placing the words of one witness into the mouth of another. I can think of only one sighting which matches.

 

[Ardoch]

A problem with recognising someone from a photograph is that sometimes emotions are overplaying your perception.

In some cases, especially in the disappearance of a child, you understandably 'want' to see a connection.
Just making a point, not saying that any sighting or recognition is incorrect.

 

[enjy15]

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[Loobyloo]

TY "five days after" is interesting. This could simply be the newspaper being inaccurate. Possibly placing the words of one witness into the mouth of another. I can think of only one sighting which matches.

I expect if they had a photo of a possible suspect, they would have shown it to everyone they were interviewing around that time.

 

[Loobyloo]

From @SuperdadV8 on previous thread:

Portuguese police also said that Hewlett's wife had given him an alibi and that his bank card had been used in Lisbon (3 hours away from Praia da Luz) at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

That makes RH a candidate for the mystery phonecall made to CB from elsewhere in Portugal, doesn't it? I wonder if LE know his mobile number from that time...

 

[Sharkbite]

So a photo circulated in 2007 of one of PJ's initial suspects isn't included in the PJ files? Hmm OK

 

[Loobyloo]

Whilst trying to follow the flow of this report which jumps from sighting to sighting I almost missed this one (my italics) ...

"The Sun understands from another British witness that Portuguese detectives circulated a photograph of Christian B years ago but failed to act.
The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely in the days after Madeleine went missing."

Madeleine witness says Christian B IS man she saw near apartment

I wonder if the Sun is garbling things here (wouldn't be the first time...).
Near the start of the article it says:
A KEY Madeleine McCann case witness has sensationally identified suspect Christian B as the man she saw acting suspiciously outside the McCanns’ apartment.

When shown a picture of the paedophile, the British woman — quizzed at the time of the abduction — said: “That’s the man I saw.”
[...]
The woman reported the sighting within hours of three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance on May 3, 2007

So it wasn't necessarily after the abduction that she observed the suspicious behaviour - she observed it earlier & reported it very soon after the news about MM came out, then later still she was shown the photo & stated that it showed the man she'd seen.

Now putting that together with the Sun's other statement later in the same article:

The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely in the days after Madeleine went missing.

All it needs is a comma after 'bizarrely' to make it read quite differently:

The second woman saw the image in 2007, and also confirmed it was a man she had seen behaving bizarrely, in the days after Madeleine went missing.

This would now mean that her confirmation - not her observation - was made in the days after M went missing (i.e. when the witness was questioned, just like the first witness).

Sorry about the long-windedness! I'm just trying to explain that 'in the days after' could refer to 'also confirmed' rather than 'she had seen'.

 

[Monic]

@vermisstekindersuche
I know exactly what you mean!
Just hoping that they not have to suffer.

But if CB killed her, he needs to be punished!