Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[SuperdadV8]

I didn't write to him about MM.

So then, JC wrote a book and you contacted him about the weather?

And what convinces you about CB not being part about something bigger? The BKA usually isn't in charge of shoplifting in the countryside.....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)And what convinces you about CB not being part about something bigger? The BKA usually isn't in charge of shoplifting in the countryside.....

Yes, he can be part of something bigger but then if they wanted to investigate in secret why not to wait for them to have full data and then tell to public that he was suspect of MM case ? They would do oposite of what they did, they collected all they could and then they would charge at the end ?

 

[SuperdadV8]

So many questionmarks about things, nobody in here can give you an answer to!

My advice is to relax, lean back and enjoy the show!?!

 

[tedtink]

So many questionmarks about things, nobody in here can give you an answer!

My advice is to relaxe, lean back and enjoy the show!?!

The interval is lasting too long! I'm out of popcorn and ice cream!

 

[Lilly b]

Yet what he does have is not strong enough and he needs to seek help of others to provide more info ...

Also CB is in jail, it's not like when you are investigating someone that is free. Example if i were investigating a guy under suspicion of drug traffic i could follow the guy, check communications, etc and i would try to catch him.

CB is in jail and will go no-where. He will not destroy evidence, he will not change past unless he does have a secret time machine and even if he can call people from cell or something like that people already know that he is wanted for MM crime.

To further my claims if CB did commit the crime he does know what HCW have on him.

Example - IF CB did made videos of MM and does know that the "evidence" are the videos.

So ... What is the point of not charging or question CB ? What could possible CB do to change the sittuation if confronted with what HCW have ?

What HCW have is something that CB can change if he knows what it is ?

Think about it, what could it possible be ?

Bit like MN being in jail, (so going nowhere) he has so called too confessed to another inmate, (only 1 as we are aware of) been moved to France, totally denied all knowledge, and now back in Germany ( maybe this should be on MN thread) just because he denied it, then is the next move to change?

 

[SuperdadV8]

The interval is lasting too long! I'm out of popcorn and ice cream!

Then maybe you should try a salad bowl? No dish has been sold more often since corona, online?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Bit like MN being in jail, (so going nowhere) he has so called too confessed to another inmate, (only 1 as we are aware of) been moved to France, totally denied all knowledge, and now back in Germany ( maybe this should be on MN thread) just because he denied it, then is the next move to change?

The man behind the mask is back due to strict legal reasons according to european arrest warrants. France keeps on investigating so far.

But it seems to be a burden, that MN's credit-/debitcard was used at the time, little Jonathan has been abducted.

 

[Lilly b]

The man behind the mask is back due to strict legal reasons according to european arrest warrants. France keeps on investigating so far.

But it seems to be a burden, that MN's credit-/debitcard was used at the time, little Jonathan has been abducted.

Was that j

Bit like MN being in jail, (so going nowhere) he has so called too confessed to another inmate, (only 1 as we are aware of) been moved to France, totally denied all knowledge, and now back in Germany ( maybe this should be on MN thread) just because he denied it, then is the next move to change?

Meant to say charge not change

 

[Chiatos]

Today, the german federal council approved a law according to which murderers have to go to court if there is new evidence despite acquittal in the past.

This could be a key to finally solve some cold cases maybe.

Good.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

So many questionmarks about things, nobody in here can give you an answer to!

My advice is to relax, lean back and enjoy the show!?!

But it's way more interesting to take part of the show rather than just enjoy it, don't you think ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

The "Big problem" with HCW method is that one day he says one think and another day he says a contradicting thing - if we are to believe what is stated on the newspapers. It's very hard to "investigate" at our level - WS - without "inside" info as regarding this CB/MM matter all we have is HCW "statments" that can be truth or not and because they change from one day to the other it's impossible to know what is goal realy is.

Example :

German prosecutor claims to have evidence Madeleine McCann is dead

Madeleine McCann is dead claims German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters
Hans Christian Wolters, the public prosecutor in north-west Germany has told Portuguese television his team has material evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead.

Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE, admits German prosecutor | Daily Mail Online

Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE, admits German prosecutor in U-turn as he confirms there is no forensic evidence to show she is dead

In comments which could ignite fresh hopes for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry that their daughter may be alive, prosecutor Hans Wolters said there was no forensic evidence to say she is dead.

Mr Wolters also admitted that his previous assertion that Madeleine may have been 'killed quickly' was only 'personal opinion and speculation'.

So ... Does the "secret evidence" is after all something that shows CB connect with MM but doesn't show MM is dead ?

Or ... If HCW keeps on changing version of events / allegations how are we supposed believe him when he say that he have concrete evidences that MM was killed by CB ?

 

[Trivento]

The "Big problem" with HCW method is that one day he says one think and another day he says a contradicting thing - if we are to believe what is stated on the newspapers. It's very hard to "investigate" at our level - WS - without "inside" info as regarding this CB/MM matter all we have is HCW "statments" that can be truth or not and because they change from one day to the other it's impossible to know what is goal realy is.

Example :

German prosecutor claims to have evidence Madeleine McCann is dead

Madeleine McCann is dead claims German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters
Hans Christian Wolters, the public prosecutor in north-west Germany has told Portuguese television his team has material evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead.

Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE, admits German prosecutor | Daily Mail Online

Madeleine McCann could still be ALIVE, admits German prosecutor in U-turn as he confirms there is no forensic evidence to show she is dead

In comments which could ignite fresh hopes for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry that their daughter may be alive, prosecutor Hans Wolters said there was no forensic evidence to say she is dead.

Mr Wolters also admitted that his previous assertion that Madeleine may have been 'killed quickly' was only 'personal opinion and speculation'.

So ... Does the "secret evidence" is after all something that shows CB connect with MM but doesn't show MM is dead ?

Or ... If HCW keeps on changing version of events / allegations how are we supposed believe him when he say that he have concrete evidences that MM was killed by CB ?

Apologies if following is a bit graphic...

Something that could explain contradiction between these 2 HCW statements is that they have a video or suchlike of MM being killed , or appearing to be dead...and for some reason HCW has decided to "hint " towards this publicly...but there is no forensic evidence , eg.a body , to back up the forementioned video...so HCW then says chance MM still alive..

We all see movies on TV of people being killed in other scenario types...but is all artificial...although looks real .

 

[snowpea666]

Apologies if following is a bit graphic...

Something that could explain contradiction between these 2 HCW statements is that they have a video or suchlike of MM being killed , or appearing to be dead...and for some reason HCW has decided to "hint " towards this publicly...but there is no forensic evidence , eg.a body , to back up the forementioned video...so HCW then says chance MM still alive..

We all see movies on TV of people being killed in other scenario types...but is all artificial...although looks real .

Yes its a horrid thought, I was thinking the same, or that if he did have a video or pics, he presumed she would not have survived, poor baby if true.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

By law in Germany they would need to ID the victim with the aid of the family.
Think for example of PK case when photos that did emerge on pedophile sites that "could be her" : - Ist das Peggy im Kinderporno?

There is no way around this. BKA would by law need to contact MM parents to let them know and for them to ID MM.

Also by law as well those photos/videos had to be entered on the ICSE.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Another thing that doesn't match :

When you have this sort of sittuation, someone saying that CB killed MM it's normal for other Sta or even international police forces to call the Sta/BKA that makes the claim and check if there is any chance for the same suspect to be linked to the crime. Even on PK case it was "normal" for them to check with HCW/BKA if there was a link on the cases, because it's the NORMAL procedure.

Even with PJ, in the past they sent rogatory letters to other countries when other killers were found to check if the guys could be linked to MM. I did saw this in first hand on a case that I was working on the time.

What is NOT NORMAL is this :

Madeleine McCann Suspect Linked To Disappearance Of German Boy

It's not normal for the leader on the investigation on a case to call the parents of another missing child.

What what the intent of the call ? Just to tell Rene father that they were re-opening the investigation ? No way.

In other hand Rene was German and disapeared in Portugal so i guess it would be BKA to check this out but why call family of boy (that family were already conformed with a natural drowning) to say they were going to investigate CB on it ? It wouldn't be "natural" to investigate first and only then if they were sure that CB did the crime call the family ? Why to provide "false hope" ?

So we can assume that the phone call was not just to inform. Most likely they would like to know if family saw someone like CB near the place where CB went missing but then we have a problem again, first they contacted Rene father that was not on crime place (mother with boyfriend and Rene were) and 2) no public enquire neither mention on MM enquire for people to "remember" if they saw CB near the place RH went missing.

Many things going on that are "not normal" on investigations protocol.

Also what will HCW/BKA tell to René father if at the end they don't have anything to link CB to RH case ?

Something like - "Sorry to provide false hopes after those 20 years that you tought that your child did drown. You can think that again now because we can't blame CB after all".

If you were on the shoes of that family what would you think about BKA/HCW at the end ? Sorry but this is as bad as it gets ...

 

[Tekno]

And about that JC book, I do think that JC did mainly wanted to tell his story of his searching for MM with all of that unrelated stuff like the other guys he did check and he did end up using the CB popularity to "boost" his sales.

I did write to him (JC) yesterday (and all main people at olivepress) but goes without saying up untill now I didn't get any answer from them (as expected).

I think HCW did find it to be a "good idea" to team up with another jornalist to have his CB case on another media and keep the fire burning, fire that he should be make burn by himself and not others. Ended up with this mess and this just further ridicularize HCW investigation and attitude on media.

Now let's see what HCW is going to do. I hope that HCW will provide us with more info now, unless JC is correct and we have to wait up to next year for a MM/CB charge....

I just hope that other prossecuters not directly related to this matter (MM) will have to go (again) to international media to explain "mess"/"false info" caused by this "game" of "secret investigations" but looks like it's how it will end up to be...

Your ignorance shows in your evaluation of Jon Clarke’s book. He has uncovered valuable and important new information that hasn’t been in the public domain, thus far.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Your ignorance shows in your evaluation of Jon Clarke’s book. He has uncovered valuable and important new information that hasn’t been in the public domain, thus far.

"True" information or information that people want/wish to be true ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Your ignorance shows in your evaluation of Jon Clarke’s book. He has uncovered valuable and important new information that hasn’t been in the public domain, thus far.

And by the way I didn't read and I don't intend to read JC book. My evaluation of his book started and ended in the way it was promoted. There is no way I would ever take the information he "uncovered" as "real" or truth when I know for fact that some stuff that Is there are 100% false.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Your ignorance shows in your evaluation of Jon Clarke’s book. He has uncovered valuable and important new information that hasn’t been in the public domain, thus far.

You are correct in one thing, i'm completly ignorant regarding MM case and I don't claim to be any expert, on the contrary. You guys do know way more about the case than me.

To add to this I can no longer trust what HCW tells about any case- So if it's info from JC or HCW it would end up to be the same to me. I can no longer take my own ideas/conclusions as i don't have anything to start about this matter.

If i'm starting to doubt even the first statments that HCW did made there is no way to judge any further without access to credible sources or files for this particular investigation.

For now I will let you guys continue to discuss untill something "new" do pop up.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Another example of JC/HCW not making sense is the claim that MM could be alive when they want CB for murder.

'Madeleine McCann could still be alive': Olive Press editor tells Sky News to promote a new book on Portugal case - Olive Press News Spain