Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #27

[Hygge]

I think it was neither tannerman nor smithman. I am sure JT saw something not sure what. But I am doubtful about smithman. Didn’t Smith and his family came up later when Murat was a suspect? I heard they knew Murat ( just my assumption) maybe it was made up?
I think it was someone having his car parked near to the scene like all live scent ( gnr) dogs followed MM route to the car park.

 

[Hygge]

I think it was neither tannerman nor smithman. I am sure JT saw something not sure what. But I am doubtful about smithman. Didn’t Smith and his family came up later when Murat was a suspect? I heard they knew Murat( just an assumption) maybe it was made up?
I think it was someone having his car parked near to the scene like alle live scent ( gnr) dogs followed MM route to the car park.

 

[C.greek]

I think it was neither tannerman nor smithman. I am sure JT saw something not sure what. But I am doubtful about smithman. Didn’t Smith and his family came up later when Murat was a suspect? I heard they knew Murat( just an assumption) maybe it was made up?
I think it was someone having his car parked near to the scene like alle live scent ( gnr) dogs followed MM route to the car park.

Which car park is that ?

 

[Trivento]

I think it was neither tannerman nor smithman. I am sure JT saw something not sure what. But I am doubtful about smithman. Didn’t Smith and his family came up later when Murat was a suspect? I heard they knew Murat( just an assumption) maybe it was made up?
I think it was someone having his car parked near to the scene like alle live scent ( gnr) dogs followed MM route to the car park.

Also think possibility of an abductor leaving in a vehicle should be kept in mind …especially considering proximity of car park just outside 5A …near open window…
Just this evening watching again TV series Manhunt about L.Bellfield .…among various heinous crimes, he deliberately ran someone over in a Toyota and got rid of vehicle shortly afterwards…most probably to distance himself from a vehicle involved in a crime…reminded me of moves made by a certain individual who had use of a Jaguar in 2007…

 

[Hygge]

Which car park is that ?

Car park six, opposite of the reception entrance
Aerial photo shows sniffer dog trail following Madeleine's scent took them to nearby car park | Daily Mail Online

 

[Hygge]

Which car park is that ?

6 gnr sniffer( live scent dogs) all agreed each other and followed MM live scent to the car park. They got her pink blanket, a towel she used and other things. So why all believe in Eddie and Keela and six live scent dogs were missed? It is all in the pj files.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The question should be where's the positive id.

LOL, we wouldn't be here. You said none of these match the description of CB. Unequivocally?! Couldn't none of these have led to more clues?
Even if not, it's odd that none of other sightings/testimony (at target timeline) did not lead or bring more info.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I remember reading that at the time (and not just at the link you provided earlier) and it did have a distinct whiff of an attempt at deliberate validating a witness who, let's be frank, was far from ideal, with his own dodgy criminal history. Was he paid? Who actually really knows?

That's not to say there was a self-serving element going on there (I don't know?), or that HB's own past excludes him from being a credible voice as far as CB is concerned... but I do hope the BKA's case is not reliant upon him.

Do we know enough about him for him to fulfil the 'Honour amongst Thieves' code of conduct?

Maybe, he was considered a credible witness in the DM case.

 

[C.greek]

some good news on a quite similar case from the US 35 years ago. 4 year old Jessica Gutierrez was abducted from her bed while asleep in 1986. Her body has never been found. Today a 61 year old man has been arrested and charged with her kidnapping and murder

It can happen.

https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/07/us/jessica-gutierrez-murder-arrest/index.html

 

[Trivento]

Which car park is that ?

This link also refers to what Hygge was highlighting I believe…it mentions use of two dogs..

P.J. POLICE FILES: ACTION WITH THE SEARCH TEAM OF GNR

 

[Denis R Tandib]

6 gnr sniffer( live scent dogs) all agreed each other and followed MM live scent to the car park. They got her pink blanket, a towel she used and other things. So why all believe in Eddie and Keela and six live scent dogs were missed? It is all in the pj files.

But how would these dogs differentiate MM’s last scent from the scent she had made all week while on holiday?

And, the route they took makes no sense. If you were abducting MM, why would you essentially do a lap of apt block on foot when there is a far more direct route to the car park.

I am not saying the dogs didn’t pick up on some of MM’s last scent but based on the two points above, drawing the conclusion that this was her final route out of 5A is problematic.

 

[Trivento]

But how would these dogs differentiate MM’s last scent from the scent she had made all week while on holiday?

And, the route they took makes no sense. If you were abducting MM, why would you essentially do a lap of apt block on foot when there is a far more direct route to the car park.

I am not saying the dogs didn’t pick up on some of MM’s last scent but based on the two points above, drawing the conclusion that this was her final route out of 5A is problematic.

Think you have a point there…could have been MM scent from previous days or something..
That car park also very visible and close to where other people using main entrance to OC.
imo ..if a car park was used by an abductor would be more likely to be one next to kids bedroom window…. or perhaps the one at top of hill ..opposite 5A.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

In the Dutch version of Crimewatch 2013 it's worth noting that ex DCI Redwood said the man CT saw was exiting ground floor apartment 5C, which was unoccupied that week, not 5B as we had previously been led to believe. 2 female holidaymakers (JJ & AW) coincidentally saw 2 unknown men on the balcony of 5C around lunchtime on 3/5/07.

Thanks for sharing this, I haven’t seen it before and it’s interesting.

Redwood is quite emphatic: “Almost certainly wasn’t the abductor” in relation to the Tannerman sighting. I wonder how SY came to this conclusion?

I can’t reconcile CT’s efit as CB, such smooth features whereas CB’s face is angular and I’m sure some of those features would have come out in the efit.

 

[C.greek]

I can’t reconcile CT’s efit as CB, such smooth features whereas CB’s face is angular and I’m sure some of those features would have come out in the efit.

If you read CT's rogatory interview you will see that she does not agree with the efit. She says the mouth is different and some other features as well. The most important aspect is that she says emphatically in the interview that if shown pictures she would definitely be able to identify him (and in MSM apparently she did identify him with CB when she saw photos of him in 2020).

 

[Hygge]

But how would these dogs differentiate MM’s last scent from the scent she had made all week while on holiday?

And, the route they took makes no sense. If you were abducting MM, why would you essentially do a lap of apt block on foot when there is a far more direct route to the car park.

I am not saying the dogs didn’t pick up on some of MM’s last scent but based on the two points above, drawing the conclusion that this was her final route out of 5A is problematic.

Normally sniffer dogs take the latest and freshest smell, otherwise these dogs wouldn’t make sense. I think 5his dogfish are

But how would these dogs differentiate MM’s last scent from the scent she had made all week while on holiday?

And, the route they took makes no sense. If you were abducting MM, why would you essentially do a lap of apt block on foot when there is a far more direct route to the car park.

I am not saying the dogs didn’t pick up on some of MM’s last scent but based on the two points above, drawing the conclusion that this was her final route out of 5A is problematic.

the dogs follow the last and freshest scent. Nothing fr9m 5he days before except it was raining and it wasn’t all seems…6 dogs with the same smell opinion followed the scent around the block and ended in car park 6

 

[C.greek]

Normally sniffer dogs take the latest and freshest smell, otherwise these dogs wouldn’t make sense. I think 5his dogfish are

the dogs follow the last and freshest scent. Nothing fr9m 5he days before except it was raining and it wasn’t all seems…6 dogs with the same smell opinion followed the scent around the block and ended in car park 6

Could it be a combination of her smell from the club she came back from at 6pm together with the route an abductor could have taken?

 

[Zuleika]

Thanks for sharing this, I haven’t seen it before and it’s interesting.

Redwood is quite emphatic: “Almost certainly wasn’t the abductor” in relation to the Tannerman sighting. I wonder how SY came to this conclusion?

I can’t reconcile CT’s efit as CB, such smooth features whereas CB’s face is angular and I’m sure some of those features would have come out in the efit.

SY came to this conclusion because DCI Redwood discovered Dr Julian Totman was that man .



Julian Totman's wife Rachel, who lives with her husband in the West Country, has revealed that police had never contacted them.

She told The Sun "My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn't hear anything for years.

'We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner. But the national police who investigated didn't get back to us and we don't know if our information was ever passed on"

 

[Loobyloo]

some good news on a quite similar case from the US 35 years ago. 4 year old Jessica Gutierrez was abducted from her bed while asleep in 1986. Her body has never been found. Today a 61 year old man has been arrested and charged with her kidnapping and murder

It can happen.

https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/07/us/jessica-gutierrez-murder-arrest/index.html

The link just goes to an error page. Have they perhaps taken the story down?

 

[C.greek]

The link just goes to an error page. Have they perhaps taken the story down?

It's all over the news. I might have made a mistake

This now?

Jessica Gutierrez: NC man arrested and charged for 1986 kidnapping and murder of 4-year-old SC girl - CNN

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Normally sniffer dogs take the latest and freshest smell, otherwise these dogs wouldn’t make sense. I think 5his dogfish are

the dogs follow the last and freshest scent. Nothing fr9m 5he days before except it was raining and it wasn’t all seems…6 dogs with the same smell opinion followed the scent around the block and ended in car park 6

I’m not a sniffer dog expert and, along with many other options, it’s possible that MM took that route from 5A.

But, dogs don’t have opinions, they track a known scent in the direction/s the person who made the scent went. They can’t detect freshness and then make a conscious decision to follow only the freshest scent. They simply match the scent and track it until it no longer exists, be that ten metres or ten miles away, that’s why it makes sense to use sniffer dogs. It seems logical that if MM spent ten minutes playing and sitting in a particular area 12 hours ago, her scent would be stronger there than if she just walked through an area six hours ago.

If it makes sense to you that the dogs definitively selected MM’s exit route, no problem. I don’t think it’s how she left because I can’t accept that an abductor would increase their chances of being caught going an indirect route when there is an alternative direct route available.