Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #30

[SuperdadV8]

You would think so … but is there just a chance that these particular logs are not .. for some reason or another ..?

It would depend on the particular (vodafone?) unit, who provided the data? Vodafone Portugal? Why should they provide CET based data, whilst being working on GMT? Makes no sense to me!

Even if Vodafone UK provided the data, it wouldn't make sense! That's a dead end IMO.

 

[shonyakay]

Amigo de Bruckner conta que suspeito de matar Maddie abusou de menores em Portugal

Alemão é caracterizado como um psicopata, que não teme nada, nem ninguém e rouba e mata com a mesma facilidade.

www.cmjornal.pt

This is interesting from Correio da Manhã from late last year.

 

[shonyakay]

Amigo de Bruckner conta que suspeito de matar Maddie abusou de menores em Portugal

Alemão é caracterizado como um psicopata, que não teme nada, nem ninguém e rouba e mata com a mesma facilidade.

www.cmjornal.pt

This is interesting from Correio da Manhã from late last year.

Sorry for posting info from the article. Am I allowed to discuss what is in a paid for article here though, or no?

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Sorry for posting info from the article. Am I allowed to discuss what is in a paid for article here though, or no?

You can summarise the article.

 

[katydid23]

48 Hours on ID​

The Puzzle: Solving the Madeleine McCann Case​

Season 17 Episode 5​

Maureen Maher


CrimeMystery
59 mins, Captioned

Mon 9 May, 23:01 IDPAC (Ch. 067)

Three-year-old Madeleine McCann went missing while vacationing with her family in Portugal in 2007; more than 13 years later, there is a suspect in Germany who may have answers.

 

[Trivento]

I was one of the first reporters on the scene after Madeleine McCann's disappearance

I am certain that Christian Brueckner will finally be charged with the murder of Madeleine McCann

inews.co.uk

New JC article...

 

[katydid23]

48 Hours on ID​

The Puzzle: Solving the Madeleine McCann Case​

Season 17 Episode 5​

Maureen Maher


CrimeMystery
59 mins, Captioned

Mon 9 May, 23:01 IDPAC (Ch. 067)

Three-year-old Madeleine McCann went missing while vacationing with her family in Portugal in 2007; more than 13 years later, there is a suspect in Germany who may have answers.

So far this seems pretty good. At the very beginning there was some info about CB's cell phone 'being nearby' the crime scene---but I didn't hear what source they were using to confirm that .

 

[mrjitty]

I was one of the first reporters on the scene after Madeleine McCann's disappearance

I am certain that Christian Brueckner will finally be charged with the murder of Madeleine McCann

inews.co.uk

New JC article...

@Dlk79

I think it is from JC that i got the idea HCW had claimed CB was guilty of the HB rape in the media. Maybe it's just poor reporting, but again in this article, JC simply claims CB is guilty, even though he isn't charged. Given JC's tabloid style, I wonder if he is just exaggerating what HCW has said

Wolters himself told me that the new charges – including the exposure to four children in 2017 and the rape of Hazel Behan, 20, in 2004 – are rather more straightforward than the Maddie case.

And once he has been convicted in the latter – in which he sadistically raped the Irish girl over hours, all filmed on his camcorder – it is likely he will then be put onto a special regime which will prevent him from ever leaving prison.

 

[Janosch]

What are the PDL antennas that are stated in the PJ files? Are they different from the mast? Because they noticed a driver for the Ocean Club had activated the PDL antenna's when he talked to his wife that night.

Please see: MADELEINE MCCANN: ANTENNAS

 

[Janosch]

It would depend on the particular (vodafone?) unit, who provided the data? Vodafone Portugal? Why should they provide CET based data, whilst being working on GMT? Makes no sense to me!

Even if Vodafone UK provided the data, it wouldn't make sense! That's a dead end IMO.

For the type of data provided by Vodafone, please see: The murder of Madeleine McCann: why the German prosecutor and BKA are sure the alleged call to Christian B. on May 3 did not come from Praia da Luz

 

[Janosch]

What are the facts that we know about CB after May 3, 2007, 22:00?

For example: CB was in Faro the night of May 9-10, 2007, with a girl.

 

[Davieson]

What are the facts that we know about CB after May 3, 2007, 22:00?

For example: CB was in Faro the night of May 9-10, 2007, with a girl.

Interesting question, but how will we know for certain what is a FACT given that most sources are from media outlets are not renowned for their accuracy ?

 

[Trivento]

It would depend on the particular (vodafone?) unit, who provided the data? Vodafone Portugal? Why should they provide CET based data, whilst being working on GMT? Makes no sense to me!

Even if Vodafone UK provided the data, it wouldn't make sense! That's a dead end IMO.

Call usage not reflecting reality?

Anyone else seeing issues withe their call usage online not being accurate. I've noticed it for a few months now. E.g. A call made yesterday at 14:59 for 59 minutes shows up as made at 15:59 for 30 mins. Ok, it's all inclusive so no costs but it does make you wonder what else they could be...

forum.vodafone.co.uk

Possibly a dead end...but attached an article that seems to talk about a situation where Vodafone server settings were not correct...out by an hour..

Or is it possible the IT dept for Vodafone PDL mast didn't tick the box to adjust mast logs for DST , late March 2007 ?

Yes ... I know it's unlikely...

 

[Janosch]

Interesting question, but how will we know for certain what is a FACT given that most sources are from media outlets are not renowned for their accuracy ?

What are the facts, or any information, that we know about CB after May 3, 2007, 22:00?

 

[Dlk79]

RSBM - Yes I think this was the idea, though CB may have been dumb enough to make useable statements.

I think there is a chance CB's letters may come back to haunt him. From the ones we've seen, he hasn't cast himself in a good light. They are full of lies, cryptic answers and strange comments that only undermine his claims of innocence IMO.

I did actually chuckle when I read what appears to be his main defence in the Salema beach assault case:

'The BKA knew that the victim had told the police in Portugal that the culprit had "teeth like a rabbit". Or perhaps they knew there was something wrong with his teeth. So they took a photo of me and changed my look by making my teeth terribly ugly. Even the victim said by seeing it that she can't remember that they were so terrible, that's funny isn't it?'

The way he has written that almost sounds like he is confessing that it was him that she saw. I don't know whether this is perhaps a photo that the BKA have mocked up to illustrate how his teeth may have looked before he had them fixed, or if it's just an unflattering photo of him. But either way, the fact the victim positively ID'd him with the caveat she doesn't recall the culprit's teeth being quite as terrible is hardly something to brag about when you are agreeing you don't think your teeth looked as bad as that either.

 

[Alternative Paradox]

Call usage not reflecting reality?

Anyone else seeing issues withe their call usage online not being accurate. I've noticed it for a few months now. E.g. A call made yesterday at 14:59 for 59 minutes shows up as made at 15:59 for 30 mins. Ok, it's all inclusive so no costs but it does make you wonder what else they could be...

forum.vodafone.co.uk

Possibly a dead end...but attached an article that seems to talk about a situation where Vodafone server settings were not correct...out by an hour..

Or is it possible the IT dept for Vodafone PDL mast didn't tick the box to adjust mast logs for DST , late March 2007 ?

Yes ... I know it's unlikely...

Servers (indeed all connected devices) are configured from a central source, so would have been done by Vodafone Portugal with whatever time they deemed correct.

That's not to say they got the time right, of course. In my time, VF UK themselves dropped some astonishing clangers with the UK network.

 

[Alternative Paradox]

What we are saying is we only know PJ have data for actual voice or SMS connections to the relevant towers.

We don't know if they have any ping data - the handshake process you describe is not a permanent connection. Rather the phone connects with the nearest/best tower periodically - so the network knows where the phone is to allocate resource to it.

So if PJ had ping data, they would know when the phone first connected to the PdL tower, and when it disconnected - e.g. moved too far away or was turned off.

I guess @Janosch is correct that based on what was disclosed in the PJ files, they don't have the ping info, or triangulation.

This is not too unusual. In the McStay case, (2010 murder) the prosecution also did not have ping, and only basic azimuth.

Yes, this is pretty close - the pinging is continual, to any/every mast that can hear the ping, to ensure a connection can be made when required but is not, as you say, a permanent connection.

Disconnecting/switching off the phone sends an explicit 'I'm turning off' message rather than going offline 'invisibly'.

There are sufficient local masts to have provided phone location, however, it appears that this information is not available so has either been time-expired (depends on local legal requirements) or wasn't collected (unlikely imo)

 

[Janosch]

Yes, this is pretty close - the pinging is continual, to any/every mast that can hear the ping, to ensure a connection can be made when required but is not, as you say, a permanent connection.

Disconnecting/switching off the phone sends an explicit 'I'm turning off' message rather than going offline 'invisibly'.

There are sufficient local masts to have provided phone location, however, it appears that this information is not available so has either been time-expired (depends on local legal requirements) or wasn't collected (unlikely imo)

Interesting comments.
Maybe the following information could help:


BTS
Note: Considering the 19:32 (Vodafone to Vodafone) call on May 3, 2007, the important antennas are (b), (f), (g) and (h).

(b) VODAFONE. Probably Rua 1º de Maio, 2, Luz, Lagos.
260 meters from 5A.

268-01-24-1704: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-14424: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-1709: azimuth 280º.
268-01-24-1707: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-32023: azimuth 280º.
268-01-24-14426: azimuth 280º.
268-01-24-32021: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-1706: azimuth 280º.





(f) VODAFONE.
3000 meters from 5A.

268-01-24-11452: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-41486: azimuth 270º.
268-01-24-11453: azimuth 270º.
268-01-24-41488: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-41485: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-41489: azimuth 270º.
268-01-24-35414: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-35415: azimuth 270º.





(g) VODAFONE.
2900 meters from 5A.
268-01-24-12811: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-42347: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-37574: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-42345: azimuth 90º.
268-01-24-42349: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-42344: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-12813: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-37575: azimuth 90º.
268-01-24-12812: azimuth 90º.
268-01-24-42346: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-37576: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-42348: azimuth 90º.





(h) VODAFONE.
1800 meters from 5A.

268-01-24-57441: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-13816: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-57442: azimuth 110º.
268-01-24-13814: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-13819: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-15496: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-57443: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-15494: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-15495: azimuth 110º.
268-01-24-13817: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-13818: azimuth 110º.
268-01-24-13815: azimuth 110º.

 

[Pixie Child]

Interesting comments.
Maybe the following information could help:


BTS
Note: Considering the 19:32 (Vodafone to Vodafone) call on May 3, 2007, the important antennas are (b), (f), (g) and (h).

(b) VODAFONE. Probably Rua 1º de Maio, 2, Luz, Lagos.
260 meters from 5A.

268-01-24-1704: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-14424: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-1709: azimuth 280º.
268-01-24-1707: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-32023: azimuth 280º.
268-01-24-14426: azimuth 280º.
268-01-24-32021: azimuth 40º.
268-01-24-1706: azimuth 280º.





(f) VODAFONE.
3000 meters from 5A.

268-01-24-11452: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-41486: azimuth 270º.
268-01-24-11453: azimuth 270º.
268-01-24-41488: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-41485: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-41489: azimuth 270º.
268-01-24-35414: azimuth 145º.
268-01-24-35415: azimuth 270º.





(g) VODAFONE.
2900 meters from 5A.
268-01-24-12811: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-42347: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-37574: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-42345: azimuth 90º.
268-01-24-42349: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-42344: azimuth 355º.
268-01-24-12813: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-37575: azimuth 90º.
268-01-24-12812: azimuth 90º.
268-01-24-42346: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-37576: azimuth 250º.
268-01-24-42348: azimuth 90º.





(h) VODAFONE.
1800 meters from 5A.

268-01-24-57441: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-13816: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-57442: azimuth 110º.
268-01-24-13814: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-13819: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-15496: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-57443: azimuth 200º.
268-01-24-15494: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-15495: azimuth 110º.
268-01-24-13817: azimuth 30º.
268-01-24-13818: azimuth 110º.
268-01-24-13815: azimuth 110º.

This is RO’B’s phone ping map. When he made calls in Luz, it says 1 deg (2 deg in Portimao). Is that the azimuth?

Presumably that’s what you would expect to see if CB was in/around the resort.

 

[mrjitty]

There are sufficient local masts to have provided phone location, however, it appears that this information is not available so has either been time-expired (depends on local legal requirements) or wasn't collected (unlikely imo)

RSBM

I raise it only because we saw exactly this in the McStay case. The family went missing in California in 2010. The bodies were not found for 4 and half years. By the time the proper murder investigation started, it was too late to get the ping info, and due to tower availability etc, only basic azimuth was available for some key tower connections by the killer

This wasn't a less developed country with daily mail style bumbling cops. This was San Diego County Sheriff Department.

So basically a mix of bureaucratic snafu, investigator laziness, legal requirements, large distances between towers, it being way back in 2010 etc etc meant key evidence never was collected.

So it is easy 10 years later at trial, to wonder why the hell that ping data was never collected, but of course at the time, police don't always know what to subpoena and they can't always go round getting weeks of ping/location data for 1000s of citizens on the off chance one of them is a killer.

02c