Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

[Davieson]

Why did BKA/HCW launch the appeal in June 3, 2020?

Do you thing BKA/MET/PJ are competing or collaborating to crack the case?

I don't see any real collaboration at all. PJ are obviously cooperating with German requests, but that's not the same as collaboration to my mind.
I think OG are pretty much out of it and consider MM as missing, whereas the Germans consider she is dead

 

[Mex]

If it transpired at lets say a later trial and it was found that withholding something that could have compromised the outcome ,the defence would have a field day.

The prosecution are not obliged to share all they have until charges have been made. In the intervening period I believe that they are obliged by law to impart anything which may indicate innocence. The fact they are still open to investigation rather suggests they haven't found anything of benefit to their prime suspect or to prevent them building their case.

 

[Tekno]

Why did BKA/HCW launch the appeal in June 3, 2020?

Do you thing BKA/MET/PJ are competing or collaborating to crack the case?

IMO, collaboration between the three forces is minimal.

 

[RichardKimble]

So - I am way behind - any court dates yet?

TIA!

No dates as yet, the charges have been dropped for now.

Rape charges against Madeleine McCann suspect dropped by German court

Rape and sexual offence charges against the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been thrown out of a German court.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Davieson]

The prosecution are not obliged to share all they have until charges have been made. In the intervening period I believe that they are obliged by law to impart anything which may indicate innocence. The fact they are still open to investigation rather suggests they haven't found anything of benefit to their prime suspect or to prevent them building their case.

I assume this means anything they come across in the course of their investigation, rather than actually searching for evidence to demonstrate innocence.

 

[RichardKimble]

The prosecution are not obliged to share all they have until charges have been made. In the intervening period I believe that they are obliged by law to impart anything which may indicate innocence. The fact they are still open to investigation rather suggests they haven't found anything of benefit to their prime suspect or to prevent them building their case.

The charges have been made or had been, if it transpires that there is something that emerges later, that was left out in pursuance of the murder rap and it could compromise the 5 charges then the defence would have a field day.

 

[Mex]

I don't see any real collaboration at all. PJ are obviously cooperating with German requests, but that's not the same as collaboration to my mind.
I think OG are pretty much out of it and consider MM as missing, whereas the Germans consider she is dead

It has been my impression that there are some in the PJ who were reluctant to give up on past error. For example when reviewing the case prior to reopening it, the fresh eyes used to check the evidence were from the North.

Jornal de Notícias, page 2, March 10, 2012 | Online paid edition
PJ inspectors from Oporto have been to the Algarve several times over the last few months, secretly working on the Maddie case. The re-analysis of all of the case’s elements has already been through the verification of telephone data.

Everyone who has been, one way or another, connected to the Madeleine McCann case investigation, on the 3rd of May of 2007, admit that there may be lapses in the process. Nevertheless, the major difficulty is related to the time that has already passed since the disappearance, which may have dissipated potential evidence that has never been found.
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That tension was still there in my opinion regarding a German request for help with DNA

From the Mirror
Police in Germany and Portugal have clashed over sharing DNA evidence that could lead to a breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann case, according to reports.

German investigators want to retest a mystery saliva sample found in the holiday apartment the British toddler vanished from.

However, the Portuguese police are reportedly unwilling to budge, with a source close to the Policia Judiciaria labelling re-testing "a total waste of time".

Maddie cops clash over sharing DNA evidence that could lead to breakthrough

German investigators want to retest a saliva sample found on Madeleine McCann's bed in the holiday apartment she vanished from - though the Portuguese are reportedly unwilling to budge after their scientists failed to extract a full DNA profile

www.mirror.co.uk

My impression now is that having seen more of the evidence which led to CB being constituted arguido, the majority of the PJ are now on board with everyone else.
My impression is that SY and the BKA have worked well together from the start of the investigation of CB.

I also think that the case was reopened in Portugal regarding the 'new evidence' required to do so when the Porto PJ looked at the file containing phone evidence.

 

[Mex]

I assume this means anything they come across in the course of their investigation, rather than actually searching for evidence to demonstrate innocence.

I believe that the law dictates that as much weight is given to the suspect's innocence as to guilt and it must be investigated as such.

I know little of German law processes but some of it has remained with me because it is simply so fair to the accused at all steps of the process.

 

[Janosch]

No dates as yet, the charges have been dropped for now.

Rape charges against Madeleine McCann suspect dropped by German court

Rape and sexual offence charges against the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been thrown out of a German court.

www.standard.co.uk

But I think it is only a technical move by FF to gain time. The charges will follow in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, or even in Braunschweig if HCW judicial recourse prospers.

I take this opportunity to thank all of you who respond to my posts (sometimes I forget to put the "like" or to respond accordingly).

 

[Dave55]

IMO, if CB does not confess MM crime, BKA/MET/PJ will not be able to prosecute him and obtain a guilty sentence.

I think there's every chance they can....and will. I've explained it before so won't repeat

 

[onemoremiletogo]

IMO, if CB does not confess MM crime, BKA/MET/PJ will not be able to prosecute him and obtain a guilty sentence.

Unfortunately (but so "lucky" to him) I think the same and insist: this case will only be "solved" with his confession. It's surreal how a meticulous but errant guy like him (if it was him...I really believe it was) has escaped from any sighting, capture...
This, apart from the absurd incompetence from PJ during the first hours upon MM has vanished.

 

[Janosch]

Unfortunately (but so "lucky" to him) I think the same and insist: this case will only be "solved" with his confession. It's surreal how a meticulous but errant guy like him (if it was him...I really believe it was) has escaped from any sighting, capture...
This, apart from the absurd incompetence from PJ during the first hours upon MM has vanished.

I think the PJ incompetence was only in the management of the investigation and lasted five months, IMO ...

 

[Tekno]

Since we don’t know how CB killed MM, according to the BKA, it would be interesting to see what charge they eventually bring - murder or manslaughter.

 

[Pixie Child]

Like I mentioned before, we covered the bar confession and it is likely that information that was given to someone while CB was drunk and that same person saw a rape video and it happened in 2017… all looks like misreporting.

I think we only have HB’s word for it that he tried to contact the PJ before but I could be wrong.

FF made a fair point about why HB waited for 10 years and until he was in jail before providing his info to OG. It did after all start in 2011.

I feel quite sure there is only one confession to HB and even though he was helpful in the DM case, it was the DNA evidence that gained the conviction. I don’t think what he has to say in the MM case, without forensics, will be that strong,

HB is just part of the jigsaw.

CB told MT he wanted to sell a child. Shortly before this, he turned up at someone’s door - she thought he was going to take her child. He was witnessed casing the OC. He told his gf he had a horrible life-changing job to do. He was in the general vicinity that night. He’s a burglar, a paedophile and sells cp. He confessed to HB and made various odd incriminating comments to several people. BKA has something that indicates she is dead and it is linked to him - gotta be Das Buch and/or his comms (Panikspatz maybe more). HCW won’t say if he had an accomplice. And there’s more they haven’t told us…

They would like forensics or a body but the cumulative effect of all the evidence will be enough.

But it will be difficult to prosecute a case where the crime took place in another jurisdiction; evidence was taken by 2 other police forces, one force believing the parents did it; the parents believing the child is alive. Flying in all the witnesses and putting them up will be logistically difficult and expensive. FF will have Amaral as his star witness. The British Press will be all over it. It’s a potential nightmare!

 

[Niner]

No dates as yet, the charges have been dropped for now.

Rape charges against Madeleine McCann suspect dropped by German court

Rape and sexual offence charges against the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been thrown out of a German court.

www.standard.co.uk

What? All of them? I thought just MM's case. But then I saw the next post...

But I think it is only a technical move by FF to gain time. The charges will follow in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, or even in Braunschweig if HCW judicial recourse prospers.

I take this opportunity to thank all of you who respond to my posts (sometimes I forget to put the "like" or to respond accordingly).

So hopefully this state will start the process. Thank you! That is what I have in my notes.

 

[Hexe]

HB is just part of the jigsaw.

CB told MT he wanted to sell a child. Shortly before this, he turned up at someone’s door - she thought he was going to take her child. He was witnessed casing the OC.

I must have missed something. Was there any official identification of CB as any of the suspicious men seen around the OC? If not, I don't think we can state as a fact he was witnessed casing the OC.

 

[Mex]

Unfortunately (but so "lucky" to him) I think the same and insist: this case will only be "solved" with his confession. It's surreal how a meticulous but errant guy like him (if it was him...I really believe it was) has escaped from any sighting, capture...
This, apart from the absurd incompetence from PJ during the first hours upon MM has vanished.

I think people have been taken in by what appears to have been a likeable, personable man.

CB has been described as being very neat and tidy about his personal appearance. Quite dapper in fact. With no problem in attracting female companions.

I doubt if the majority of his friends or acquaintances were given any reason to suspect how deep his lawbreaking actually was.

Plus his nomadic way of life gave him opportunity and a greater range to escape too close an observation.

 

[mrjitty]

IMO, if CB does not confess MM crime, BKA/MET/PJ will not be able to prosecute him and obtain a guilty sentence.

Agreed

Unless they find the body which could turn up by pure luck.

 

[Malleux]

I must have missed something. Was there any official identification of CB as any of the suspicious men seen around the OC? If not, I don't think we can state as a fact he was witnessed casing the OC.

Even if a witness has positively ID'd CB as being there, we're unlikely to get any official confirmation ahead of a trial. There have been reports which have suggested CB 'may' have been spotted there though.

A BRIT dad has slammed bungling Portuguese cops for ignoring his daughter’s crucial witness statement.

Gordon Sillence, 61, said his girl Tasmin, then 11, twice saw a man who looked like Christian B lurking outside the McCanns’ flat.

Brit dad slams Portuguese cops for ignoring his daughter's sighting of man who looked like Madeleine McCann suspect

A BRIT dad has slammed bungling Portuguese cops for ignoring his daughter’s crucial witness statement. Gordon Sillence, 61, said his girl Tasmin, then 11, twice saw a man who looked like Christian …

www.thesun.co.uk

A KEY Madeleine McCann case witness has sensationally identified suspect Christian B as the man she saw acting suspiciously outside the McCanns’ apartment.

When shown a picture of the paedophile, the British woman — quizzed at the time of the abduction — said: “That’s the man I saw.

Madeleine witness says Christian B IS man she saw near apartment

A KEY Madeleine McCann case witness has sensationally identified suspect Christian B as the man she saw acting suspiciously outside the McCanns’ apartment. When shown a picture of the paedophile, …

www.thesun.co.uk

I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

 

[Pixie Child]

I must have missed something. Was there any official identification of CB as any of the suspicious men seen around the OC? If not, I don't think we can state as a fact he was witnessed casing the OC.

Not officially but the papers have spoken to TMS and an unidentified British woman walking with a pram who say CB is the man they saw.