Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

[Dave55]

Madeleine McCann suspect was 'obsessed by pre-pubescent girls' says ex

Christian Brueckner was 'fascinated with the bodies of little girls' according to a woman who previously claimed to not have dated him but has now admitted they were an item when Madeleine disappeared.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Has been discussed on here previously , but according this article NF has said CB drove a Winnebago / Allegro style large campervan from Tomar to PDL on 3rd May ..

Of course could be false memory , cover story , error in reporting of type of campervan etc..
Or perhaps some truth in the account ?

Also an OP article talked about this , but is paywalled so I can’t read it..

Madeleine McCann suspect DID drive his winnebago on a long journey through Portugal on night toddler went missing - Olive Press News Spain

A GIRLFRIEND of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has refused to discuss a robbery of €100,000 she is accused of masterminding with him. The

www.theolivepress.es

So the person CB was,,dating at the time of the abduction said she was his lover not his accomplice...what crime is she referring to

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If being paid to abduct a young child is considered unlikely then I would say so is hiring some random criminal to dispose of an inconvenient body.

You might be right.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

So the person CB was,,dating at the time of the abduction said she was his lover not his accomplice...what crime is she referring to

If it's NF, I think that could be several but it seems quite likely they committed the theft of 100k euros together.

 

[Mex]

It was posted not long ago ,Wolters had this to say on the CH5 docu with MWT, which is indicative of no photo imo.

"We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

One of the consequences of conducting a criminal investigation is that as time progresses the evidence changes.

Issues which might have been of importance in 2020 no longer have the same resonance as those of 2022.
A different take on evidence held may occur and if evidence sticks at one point it means the investigation has stalled.

There is no evidence that the MM investigation doesn't have further to go. In fact the evidence is to the contrary that in 2023 this is still very much a live case.

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Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor HCW said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.

“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.

“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.

“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”
...................................................................

Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”

Prosecutor '100% convinced' suspect abducted and murdered Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year

www.mirror.co.uk

Since then the jurisdiction issue has arisen which has

• undoubtedly affected not only the prosecution of the five serious indictments prosecutors brought against CB in 2022 but has also had a roll on effect on MM's case.
• investigators have been continuing following up on the case in the effort to locate MM's remains, the finding of which might bring a crumb of comfort to her bereaved family.
• " - he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands". We have watched the investigators using the opportunity to do just that as they occupy their time tying up loose ends while the jurisdiction issue appear to rumble on. My opinion

 

[RichardKimble]

If it's NF, I think that could be several but it seems quite likely they committed the theft of 100k euros together.

is this where his money for the van and drugs came from?

 

[Davieson]

I puzzle over why a spokesperson for Public Prosecutors should speak exclusively to any media outlet. Surely their function is to communicate official statements to media outlets in general.

 

[Davieson]

is this where his money for the van and drugs came from?

I would think that the most likely source.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

One of the consequences of conducting a criminal investigation is that as time progresses the evidence changes.

Issues which might have been of importance in 2020 no longer have the same resonance as those of 2022.
A different take on evidence held may occur and if evidence sticks at one point it means the investigation has stalled.

There is no evidence that the MM investigation doesn't have further to go. In fact the evidence is to the contrary that in 2023 this is still very much a live case.

Snip
Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor HCW said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.

“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.

“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.

“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”
...................................................................

Addressing Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, he said: “We are confident we have the man who took and killed your daughter.”

“All I can do is ask for your patience. I personally think a conclusion will be reached next year. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence. Based on the evidence we have, it leads to no other conclusion.

“I can’t tell you on which basis we assume she is dead. But for us, there’s no other possibility. There is no hope she is alive.”

Prosecutor '100% convinced' suspect abducted and murdered Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year

www.mirror.co.uk

Since then the jurisdiction issue has arisen which has

• undoubtedly affected not only the prosecution of the five serious indictments prosecutors brought against CB in 2022 but has also had a roll on effect on MM's case.
• investigators have been continuing following up on the case in the effort to locate MM's remains, the finding of which might bring a crumb of comfort to her bereaved family.
• " - he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands". We have watched the investigators using the opportunity to do just that as they occupy their time tying up loose ends while the jurisdiction issue appear to rumble on. My opinion

Since the five cases were thrown out in April, they have only searched Arade - I’m certain no photos or remains were found there.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

is this where his money for the van and drugs came from?

I don’t know, I would be guessing but he needed cash to buy the Kiosk and Box factory too. It’s clear that at times he has had his hands on fair chunks of cash.

Don’t believe he made money by stealing children to order. In this scenario, how can a murder case with one suspect work?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

A new case with a different team of investigators has been opened in the search for IG.

Aus Stendal nach Halle: Neue Ermittler im Vermisstenfall Inga nehmen sich Zeit

Vermisstenfall Inga: Mehr als zwei Dutzend Kartons waren aus Stendal in Halle eingetroffen. Die Aktenberge wollen durchforstet sein. Die neuen Ermittler in der Saalestadt pochen darauf, dass dies ohne Zeit- und Erfolgsdruck passiere.

www.az-online.de

 

[JB1510]

is this where his money for the van and drugs came from?

No the 100k burglary happened in Nov 07. At a time when the M‘s were arguidos , which sadly would have given CB confidence .

 

[RichardKimble]

No the 100k burglary happened in Nov 07. At a time when the M‘s were arguidos , which sadly would have given CB confidence .

Thank you, confidence in robbery because some one else was in the frame for a missing child? doesn't go hand in hand that some how.

 

[Anxala]

If being paid to abduct a young child is considered unlikely then I would say so is hiring some random criminal to dispose of an inconvenient body.

I agree. Even more unlikely in this case if we're to accept the central premise of the investigation, which is that -

A. HCW says he has proof that MM was abducted and murdered by CB. That eliminates the idea that she was a victim of a paid-for abduction since a paid-for abduction would involve a 3rd party ie. the payer to whom MM would have been passed on to by CB.

B. Since CB is allegedly the one who both abducted and murdered her, that surely renders null and void also the idea that another unknown person was hired to dispose of her body since CB would have to be the hirer of such a person!

It's illogical nonsense.

 

[JB1510]

Thank you, confidence in robbery because some one else was in the frame for a missing child? doesn't go hand in hand that some how.

Not saying for that in particular I was just giving you the correct date. I do think the McC being made arguidos would have been a boost to CB but that’s jmo.Also regarding CB burglary and sexual assault go totally hand in hand.

 

[Anxala]

I mean I've seen cases of murder for hire for comically low prices, but i just never heard of this happening so wondered if it was more of an urban myth.

It seems to happen mostly in black comedy fiction. In any case, as I've just posted above, it can't have happened in this case since the 'facts' as we know them entirely eliminate both possibilities.

 

[Anxala]

So it would be reasonable to accept that CB's sudden wealth had nothing to do with MM.

More than reasonable.

 

[Consider Dudley]

I agree. Even more unlikely in this case if we're to accept the central premise of the investigation, which is that -

A. HCW says he has proof that MM was abducted and murdered by CB. That eliminates the idea that she was a victim of a paid-for abduction since a paid-for abduction would involve a 3rd party ie. the payer to whom MM would have been passed on to by CB.

B. Since CB is allegedly the one who both abducted and murdered her, that surely renders null and void also the idea that another unknown person was hired to dispose of her body since CB would have to be the hirer of such a person!

It's illogical nonsense.

I suppose there is the grim possibility that she was stolen to order, abused by the payer (and possibly payee too) and then murdered by the latter, and the gruesome episode possibly also monetised on the dark web. Seems a complicated scenario and much more likely imo this was an opportunistic crime, possibly undertaken without much forethought given to an exit strategy. Effectively disposing of the evidence would be the only way to minimise the likelihood of being caught. IMO

 

[Anxala]

I puzzle over why a spokesperson for Public Prosecutors should speak exclusively to any media outlet. Surely their function is to communicate official statements to media outlets in general.

To be fair, I think the tabloids do play a bit fast and loose with the 'exclusive' tag in that they know it's likely to generate more interest/clicks/revenue. Particularly when the 'exclusive' is behind a paywall...

But that said, HCW has always been very open to the media, regardless of its 'provenance', from the off so it is equally possible that he IS continuing to give quotes to anyone who asks, which would then give their 'exclusive' claims credence.

It's an odd approach but perhaps a naive one on his part? That he feels he has to continue to justify his accusations against CB with so much time passing since he made them but still with nothing of substance to publicly offer.

It's nevertheless a very disconcerting one for those of us who prefer to have our guilt backed up with proof, in the media and elsewhere.

3 years and rising of a guilty claim that's travelled round the world and we're still all at sea as to what these claims are based upon.

 

[JB1510]

I suppose there is the grim possibility that she was stolen to order, abused by the payer (and possibly payee too) and then murdered by the latter, and the gruesome episode possibly also monetised on the dark web. Seems a complicated scenario and much more likely imo this was an opportunistic crime, possibly undertaken without much forethought given to an exit strategy. Effectively disposing of the evidence would be the only way to minimise the likelihood of being caught. IMO

I feel a similar chain of events if CB acted just for his own benefit.What concerns me partly is that sadly money can be made for these sick videos
and money up front doesn’t seem a stretch, I’m thinking money for content
not necessarily for an order of abduction from a possible ring.

HeB mentioned what he thought were feature films which i interrupt as at least pro looking.Then the video where he removes his mask on camera who is he doing that for ? That‘s just odd. Maybe the touristy crap CB is surveilling areas.

 

[Mex]

I puzzle over why a spokesperson for Public Prosecutors should speak exclusively to any media outlet. Surely their function is to communicate official statements to media outlets in general.

I don't know what the protocols are for the BKA and German prosecutors to release information to the public but I suspect it is quite different from what we are used to.

Davieson has provided a link to another high profile missing child investigation and I think the contrast between the often compared circumstances couldn't be more marked. Despite the case having obviously been contentious and contravention over the years.

There has been no song and dance about the handover of Inge's case and it seems none was anticipated. The police have been very matter of fact about what is as high a profile case in Germany as MM's is here. The public expectations seem more muted with no furore when informed no public information is being revealed for reasons duplicated by prosecutors regarding MM.
The new circumstances of Inge's investigation are accepted but comment is raised when MM's investigators say they have to implement similar constraints.
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"No statement can be made about the specific course of the corresponding investigations for police and investigative tactical reasons."

One wonders if MM's case has brought fresh evidence or encouraged a fresh impetus for checking the "mountains of files" contained in the "more than two dozen boxes" which the new investigators insist must happen without undue pressure and expectation of time or success.
The precedent is in place with the DM rape being solved as a result of further investigation as well as evidence allowing for a further five indictments to be served on the MM suspect CB
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At times, investigators are said to have investigated the suspicion that the suspect in the case of Madeleine McCann, who is also missing, could have something to do with Inga's disappearance.

CB is well worth another investigative look, cold cases are definitely worth given that coincidentally if not amazingly CB has already featured in Inge's case at the time she disappeared.
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The home (CB's) was reportedly searched as part of a child abuse investigation in 2016, with officers finding a USB stick containing indecent images.

Detectives investigating Inga’s disappearance were also involved in the searches, and CB is reported not to have an alibi for the time she vanished.

A lawyer representing her family said CB stayed at the house in May 2015 and one day before Inga disappeared, police records place him in a nearby motorway service station where he had a parking accident.

He is believed to have commuted by car between the property in Neuwegersleben and Braunschweig, around 35 miles away.

Madeleine McCann suspect investigated over 2015 disappearance of German girl

Inga Gehricke, five, went missing while collecting wood for a campfire in the district where Christian Brueckner was living

www.independent.co.uk

Aus Stendal nach Halle: Neue Ermittler im Vermisstenfall Inga nehmen sich Zeit

Vermisstenfall Inga: Mehr als zwei Dutzend Kartons waren aus Stendal in Halle eingetroffen. Die Aktenberge wollen durchforstet sein. Die neuen Ermittler in der Saalestadt pochen darauf, dass dies ohne Zeit- und Erfolgsdruck passiere.

www.az-online.de