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JerseyGirl said:
I discounted mechanical failure at 1:21am when the first thing the "captain" did after signing off with Malaysian ATC was to turn off the Transponder.
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It has not been determined who signed off. There are 10 versions of when/ how about the transponder. It was set to ping again at 1:37. It didn't.
 
ajc748 said:
Could the transponder have been turned off without the pilots knowing (eg a mechanical failure or the beginnings of an electrical fire?)

I'm afraid after reading the Daily Mail (pinch of salt, but....) article about the daughter saying the pilot had withdrawn from the family and was to divorce his wife, it's looking like suicide may be a bigger option than I had previously thought.
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I believe the family spoke up and said all of that was untrue?
 
time said:
And, the problem is that any corruption can easily be hidden, denied, and cannot typcially be proven since no one has access to the information they control let alone that no one is going to talk. Unfortunately, Malaysian's political system is one where they can get away with almost anything they want (within the country/closed loop).
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I was just thinking about this and how very little info is leaked by the Malays because of the political system. Flight MH370 and its' disappearance would be a way for someone to embarrass the Malay gov't and expose its' incompetence...if that were one's objective. :moo:
 
Ellmau said:
Or they're just floundering around with no idea about anything, which is frankly looking more plausible by the day.
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seems like each entity involved in the search has its own agenda. Some sharing and a lot of secrecy going on. jmo
 
Momoffourboys said:
I was just thinking about this and how very little info is leaked by the Malays because of the political system. Flight MH370 and its' disappearance would be a way for someone to embarrass the Malay gov't and expose its' incompetence...if that were one's objective. :moo:
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but then take credit for it. And i don't think that anyone or group would go to the effort of showing incompetence in a government that has, by necessity, had to call in many outside countries for help. Some feel it is incompetence but i have a feeling the malaysians don't know half of it, their government doesn't have that open a media. And that is half the problem with how malaysia is handling it, they aren't used to transparency
 
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time said:
I guess I saw this.
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OMG I am disgusted with the Daily Mail. I know I said "pinch of salt", but it seems both his son and daughter have said on FB it's all pure lies and they plan to sue. Is somebody feeding this info to the media? DM have reported quite well on this subject so far, I just can't understand why they'd attribute direct quoates to the family with any basis whatsoever. I know they're not the most reliable news source, but they're not Sun/Mirror/Star either.

Not impressed.
 
ajc748 said:
OMG I am disgusted with the Daily Mail. I know I said "pinch of salt", but it seems both his son and daughter have said on FB it's all pure lies and they plan to sue. Is somebody feeding this info to the media? DM have reported quite well on this subject so far, I just can't understand why they'd attribute direct quoates to the family with any basis whatsoever. I know they're not the most reliable news source, but they're not Sun/Mirror/Star either.

Not impressed.
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It's all pretty weird that someone even told all this to the Daily Mall. I feel sorry for Captain Shah's wife and kids, they are in a difficult situation. And, now a whole ton of news sites have picked up on that article claiming it is basically true. I heard the family was sort of in hiding due to the media coverage and being bombarded.
 
Momoffourboys said:
I was just thinking about this and how very little info is leaked by the Malays because of the political system. Flight MH370 and its' disappearance would be a way for someone to embarrass the Malay gov't and expose its' incompetence...if that were one's objective. :moo:
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The most incompetency I have seen so far is the failure to check for stolen passports. Before the disappearance of MH370, the government and/or airline has not had to deal with something of this magnitude. By asking for assistance from other nations in the search for the plane, they must be acknowledging they do not have all the necessary resources. For that, I give them credit.

MOO
 
To me clinically, if this is case it fits it with flying to Indian ocean not being able to be found out that he killed himself ?

Clinical experience, public perceptions, and research have indicated that the Indian community has been over-represented in attempted suicide and suicide rates in Malaysia. A computerized search of the literature back to 1966 on suicidal behaviour and ethnicity in Malaysia was performed supplemented by other relevant published and research material. There was a consistent pattern of higher rates of attempted suicide and suicide for the Indian population compared with other ethnocultural groups. Patterns of migration experiences, religious and cultural beliefs, higher suicide risk in rural areas, http://tps.sagepub.com/content/38/1/51.short
http://books.google.com/books?id=3ZxH4JwP-WEC&pg=PA199&lpg=PA199&dq=Malaysia+Suicide+beliefs+in++Scholarly&source=bl&ots=pWeUhPH3JC&sig=C2TgRKECYOwL37LLvdXokn0HPrI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hYw4U4XqHPDNsQSW-YLoAw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Malaysia%20Suicide%20beliefs%20in%20%20Scholarly&f=false
 
ElleElle said:
Yes, but if there was a mechanical issue, why would one close off by saying "Goodnight"? Ego? It could have been an accident, knocking the switch off the transporter, since it's so easy to do. :facepalm:

Just being Devils Advocate.
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I think it was an accident that the transponder was turned off.
We don't have 100% confirmation that it was a deliberate (nefarious) action.
 
panthera said:
The most incompetency I have seen so far is the failure to check for stolen passports. Before the disappearance of MH370, the government and/or airline has not had to deal with something of this magnitude. By asking for assistance from other nations in the search for the plane, they must be acknowledging they do not have all the necessary resources. For that, I give them credit.

MOO
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Agreed, but that makes most of the world incompetent since only UK, USA & UAE routinely check all passports. Australia only checked it 335 times last year (out of 30 million arrivals - 0.0001%) which I find amazing given how many people want to get in there, and the border security seems pretty tight. I imagine quite a few Oz passports get nicked in SE Asia.

I think/hope this will change now with ndividual airlines planning to sign up to the database - won't be long before people prefer to fly with those airlines and eventually I think they all will.
 
ajc748 said:
Agreed, but that makes most of the world incompetent since only UK, USA & UAE routinely check all passports. Australia only checked it 335 times last year (out of 30 million arrivals - 0.0001%) which I find amazing given how many people want to get in there, and the border security seems pretty tight. I imagine quite a few Oz passports get nicked in SE Asia.

I think/hope this will change now with ndividual airlines planning to sign up to the database - won't be long before people prefer to fly with those airlines and eventually I think they all will.
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My point wasn't to infer the nations who do not routinely check for stolen passports as incompetent, but rather that the most incompetency I have seen in Malaysia is the failure to do so. In other words, I am not seeing how they have handled the disappearance of this aircraft as incompetent, or that their government is incompetent. This is something they have not had to deal with before.

:)

MOO
 
panthera said:
My point wasn't to infer the nations who do not routinely check for stolen passports as incompetent, but rather that the most incompetency I have seen in Malaysia is the failure to do so. In other words, I am not seeing how they have handled the disappearance of this aircraft as incompetent, or that their government is incompetent. This is something they have not had to deal with before.

:)

MOO
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Oh ok I see, fair enough... I'm so tired, sorry I got the wrong end of the stick with your post :facepalm:

I have said before I feel a bit sorry for Malaysia, I don't think many/any countries could cover this well. I mean, a whole jet full of people has vanished, it could happen anywhere. Though I suppose a lot of Western airlines will have "top of the range" locating devices.
 
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