Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #23

[SouthAussie]

"International and Australian air crews involved in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines plane MH370, prepare for
an official photograph on the tarmac at the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) Pierce Base in Bullsbrook, near Perth
April 29, 2014 - Reuters"

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-arti...ernational_April645.xml&section=international

 

[LambChop]

I really wish the search control would take these suggestions much more seriously. This is not a fly by night outfit. They spent tons of time and effort and came to a conclusion based on their own careful analysis using multiple methods. They even said they checked the same spot before the plane disappeared and the chemical analysis doesnt show.

So now we have 2 new possible locations and yet the search control seems to ignore this kind of help.

The other location was spotted by a pilot on the shared Tomrod site. He is not some goofball. He is a pilot for goodness sakes.

The search control needs to expend a coupld of their aircraft and go check out these locations. It is disturbing that search control seems to blow off this type of help. I have to think that they are so afraid of being wrong that they dont want others help.

But who is the "search control"? Would that be Malaysia? Malaysia is the only country with the power to ask for private companies to search this area. In the mean time whatever this object is, it's not going anywhere.

 

[SouthAussie]

April 29, 2014
The disappearance of Malaysian Air flight 370 may hasten a breakup of the 67-year-old unprofitable airline.

Even before the jet vanished March 8 on its way to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Airline System Bhd. had run up losses of $US1.3 billion ($1.4 billion) in the previous three years.

Loss Forecast
The airline, majority owned by government investment company Khazanah Nasional Bhd., will lose another $US346 million by the end of 2016, according to analysts' estimates compiled by Bloomberg.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/avia...for-airline-20140429-37eg4.html#ixzz30HBVDHbF

 

[Hatfield]

Deleted my duplicate post. Somehow it came out twice.

 

[Hatfield]

But who is the "search control"? Would that be Malaysia? Malaysia is the only country with the power to ask for private companies to search this area. In the mean time whatever this object is, it's not going anywhere.

That is a good quesion and on CNN just the other day there was a guy talking about the same thing and about how there are too many hands in the pot without a clear command control structure. There needs to be 1 clear point of contact and all reports like this need to be taken very seriously. There also needs to be followup until resolution for each and every credible report. There needs to be 1 list of all these sightings/reports and then a status and a resolution of them. Just like the debri that was found by the guy on the beach and Tomrods new findings and the oil rig sighting. We need resolutions and status of each one of them.

Austrailias command control for their efforts is pretty good and organized but the search efforts as a whole is what seems to be chaotic at best. Malaysia is ill equiped to run and organize the entire search effort as a whole and this is a good example of the breakdown. Like when they have 3rd parties coming up with credible information then someone needs to be in charge of fielding it and directing it accordingly. These people that found this information did not know exactly who to give it to so they gave it to multiple places. There should be 1 clear point of contact and then it needs to be taken seriously and there should be followup news about what they did with the information. Like when they checked it out then what happened?

Remember when we had Rogue Chinese boats and planes doing their own thing south and hearing their own "pings" south of the Austrailia searching. Austrailia seemed caught totally off guard by Chinese announcements about their hearing of their ping. The chinese did not even communicate direction with Austrailia but sent their communication to Beijing and then Beijing to Malaysia and then Malaysia to Austrailia. That is just 1 good example of the poor organization of the search efforts.

I think they are getting better but still way too much chaos and there needs to be 1 point of contact so everyone who has a credible report knows who to report these type of things too. And I dont think Malaysia is the right place for it since they have lost trust amongst others. People just dont trust them to give info to. Their lack of expertise is alone enough to not let it be them. They need to farm it out to an overseer indepentent search coordinator so people can trust the info will be taken seriously and dealt with and followed up on.

 

[pocoloco]

Georesonance has claimed to find "plane wreckage". I did hear the President of Georesonance this morning saying they believe they found "plane wreckage," and not that they found MH370.
That being said, I really hope they put some type of search team out there to check out what they found. Regardless if it's MH370 or not, if it IS a plane, I'm pretty sure that the families from what ever plane that is would want to know.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-georesonance-wreckage-of-a-commercial-airliner-found/

 

[pocoloco]

Georesonance
http://georesonance.com/georesonance-geophysical-survey-services.html

 

[Hatfield]

7News Adelaide April 29, 2014, 7:53 pm

The Malaysian Government's examining an Adelaide-based company's research on the whereabouts of flight MH370.

The company was asked to give an online presentation on its findings late this afternoon and was told the information would be taken to higher authorities.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23069209/contact-over-companys-mh370-research/?cmp=fb

This is exactly what I was just referring to that there needs to be 1 Search Control Point of contact for all the 3rd party tips and credible information.

Like who exactly is this "higher authorities" and is this just an empty black box that will disappear this credible tip.

This is just the sort of thing why people dont trust Malaysia to be running the whole search. This is not something to be kept "secret". For goodness sakes, everything that goes to Malaysia ends up in a mystery box and they dont follow up good on any of it and it becomes a big secret.

I sure hope the presentation is allowed reporters and other independent people to listen in. At least then maybe the word will get out and pressure will be put on Malaysia to take it seriously. Not exactly sure how an Online presentation is going to help though. Does Malaysia not even understand what they have been given and they need a power point to understand it. This seems bizzare to me to request them to do that.

 

[Hatfield]

Georesonance has claimed to find "plane wreckage". I did hear the President of Georesonance this morning saying they believe they found "plane wreckage," and not that they found MH370.
That being said, I really hope they put some type of search team out there to check out what they found. Regardless if it's MH370 or not, if it IS a plane, I'm pretty sure that the families from what ever plane that is would want to know.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-georesonance-wreckage-of-a-commercial-airliner-found/

We all hope that. And it is truly is that simple. Just send a plane and 1 boat with a sonar detector to go check out the location. A boat with sonar can tell if something like a plane is down there.

Just someone please give the order to do this. It is not hard Malaysia. You dont need Online presentations and huge delays. Just send 1 boat and 1 plane.

 

[pocoloco]

This is exactly what I was just referring to that there needs to be 1 Search Control Point of contact for all the 3rd party tips and credible information.

Like who exactly is this "higher authorities" and is this just an empty black box that will disappear this credible tip.

This is just the sort of thing why people dont trust Malaysia to be running the whole search. This is not something to be kept "secret". For goodness sakes, everything that goes to Malaysia ends up in a mystery box and they dont follow up good on any of it and it becomes a big secret.

I sure hope the presentation is allowed reporters and other independent people to listen in. At least then maybe the word will get out and pressure will be put on Malaysia to take it seriously. Not exactly sure how an Online presentation is going to help though. Does Malaysia not even understand what they have been given and they need a power point to understand it. This seems bizzare to me to request them to do that.

Malaysia doesn't want outside help, which is why they ignored GeoResonance when they first told them about what they found.

Quoted from the link in my previous post,

"GeoResonance said it first alerted officials with Malaysia Airlines, and the Chinese and Malaysian embassies in Australia, that possible aircraft debris had been found in the general area of its discovery on March 31, "well before the black box batteries had expired."

 

[CARIIS]

Carpel tunnel acting out just remmeber Sinapore type later singapore !! Type more later---------- Singapore!

Search moves north

debris found a month ago

I was ok with my morals for 50 some days, but then my morals overcome me, appartently I have no concerns about going to prison for decades for felony criminal charges = impeding a murder investiagtion of 239 people investigation..................



no one answers the phone

the biggest story in decades

why did these people not go to their local media

pictures of fire extingusihers go viral, but pictures of what is NOW gonna be MAL 370 silent total silence till 50 some days have passed

china finds pings on day 31 using Radio Shack equipment while searching outside of designated search area

no leak about finding a plane part the whole planet is looking for

criminal charges = impeding a murder of 239 people investigation

be fascinating to see what type of thing this will be


and this will be reported as it

govt done spending money and now they find it !!

be fascinating to see if this is a item that has floatable charactersitcs despite the fact that for a month 989 planes were looking for wreckage

be fascinating to see how large this item is -- should by 9 inches by 4 inches --- large piece? but not seen for 7% of a year '


this will be sooo fascinating

MAl releases the radar day 6 heading out west , then sudden everything is south and stays there
north is Iran

South is a deep ocean

Is this new sudden "find" anywhere near a flight plan as it relates to Singapore--- anyone know -- if I wanted to go from MAL to Singapore is where this sudden "found" on a way to Singapore??

Today amazingly they release the tape that says what they said in the beginning then turn around on , now turn back around on -- if I had a tape, and I said "red" on it , clearly heard, and they release red, then they change it to green and release wherein anyone but Helen Keller can clearly hear red .......................................its a recording


How they play this one out will be fascinating --- it will be it! They have solved the mystery of MAL 370 ugh p l e a s e !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................................

 

[geokaren]

I really wish the search control would take these suggestions much more seriously. This is not a fly by night outfit. They spent tons of time and effort and came to a conclusion based on their own careful analysis using multiple methods. They even said they checked the same spot before the plane disappeared and the chemical analysis doesnt show.

So now we have 2 new possible locations and yet the search control seems to ignore this kind of help.

The other location was spotted by a pilot on the shared Tomrod site. He is not some goofball. He is a pilot for goodness sakes.

The search control needs to expend a coupld of their aircraft and go check out these locations. It is disturbing that search control seems to blow off this type of help. I have to think that they are so afraid of being wrong that they dont want others help.

Curious as to how you conclude that Georesonance is not a fly by night company? They look like one to me.

 

[geokaren]

OK, I have done a little digging because the Georesonance claims sound dubious to me at best, based upon my career in this field. I also worked for an Australian imaging company primarily involved in exploration (oil, gas, minerals). The images in the press releases and on their site, frankly looked totally bogus to me - especially the images of the 'plane'

First, there is no history of Georesonance anywhere. No listing of directors, officers or the scientists that the allude to on their website. There is also not enough detail on any of their case studies to confirm or deny, save one. They claim to have located a shipwreck in 2005 that to this day has never been found.

So I looked up David Pope and Pavel Kursa; David Pope? there are lot in Australia but none that seem to have any affiliation with Georesonance. Similarly, if you look up georesonance on linkedin - there is nada. With all the scientists they claim to have on each project, one would think that someone, somewhere would reference them.

So I went looking at Pavel Kursa - he is ukrainian but spent some time in Adelaide. I looked up patents he owned and they are related to displaying images from metal detectors. yeah, the kind grandpa uses. Then I found SA based company called minelab electronics - interestingly, they claim the same patents as our Pavel.

I conclude that this is a major scam. One that will embarrass a hell of a lot of people at that.

 

[Momoffourboys]

OK, I have done a little digging because the Georesonance claims sound dubious to me at best, based upon my career in this field. I also worked for an Australian imaging company primarily involved in exploration (oil, gas, minerals). The images in the press releases and on their site, frankly looked totally bogus to me - especially the images of the 'plane'

First, there is no history of Georesonance anywhere. No listing of directors, officers or the scientists that the allude to on their website. There is also not enough detail on any of their case studies to confirm or deny, save one. They claim to have located a shipwreck in 2005 that to this day has never been found.

So I looked up David Pope and Pavel Kursa; David Pope? there are lot in Australia but none that seem to have any affiliation with Georesonance. Similarly, if you look up georesonance on linkedin - there is nada. With all the scientists they claim to have on each project, one would think that someone, somewhere would reference them.

So I went looking at Pavel Kursa - he is ukrainian but spent some time in Adelaide. I looked up patents he owned and they are related to displaying images from metal detectors. yeah, the kind grandpa uses. Then I found SA based company called minelab electronics - interestingly, they claim the same patents as our Pavel.

I conclude that this is a major scam. One that will embarrass a hell of a lot of people at that.

Thank you for checking further.
I believe I saw the image of the plane, weeks ago, circulating on FB.
IMO it would be too obvious for it to have been missed.

 

[pocoloco]

OK, I have done a little digging because the Georesonance claims sound dubious to me at best, based upon my career in this field. I also worked for an Australian imaging company primarily involved in exploration (oil, gas, minerals). The images in the press releases and on their site, frankly looked totally bogus to me - especially the images of the 'plane'

First, there is no history of Georesonance anywhere. No listing of directors, officers or the scientists that the allude to on their website. There is also not enough detail on any of their case studies to confirm or deny, save one. They claim to have located a shipwreck in 2005 that to this day has never been found.

So I looked up David Pope and Pavel Kursa; David Pope? there are lot in Australia but none that seem to have any affiliation with Georesonance. Similarly, if you look up georesonance on linkedin - there is nada. With all the scientists they claim to have on each project, one would think that someone, somewhere would reference them.

So I went looking at Pavel Kursa - he is ukrainian but spent some time in Adelaide. I looked up patents he owned and they are related to displaying images from metal detectors. yeah, the kind grandpa uses. Then I found SA based company called minelab electronics - interestingly, they claim the same patents as our Pavel.

I conclude that this is a major scam. One that will embarrass a hell of a lot of people at that.

Maybe this is why Authorities ignored their earlier reports.

 

[pocoloco]

I'm trying to find anything on GeoResonance and the only thing I found on them is the following link

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/sa-business-journal/adelaide-company-georesonance-to-use-former-soviet-union-weapons-technology-to-search-for-for-oil-and-gas-in-sa-qld/story-e6fredel-1226631746538

 

[geokaren]

right, and following the leads in that, I still come up with zilch, except that pavel Kursa was a programmer at Minelabs and probably met up with Carl Dorsch through that, since Dorsch is a prospector of sorts.

 

[Mountain Misst]

right, and following the leads in that, I still come up with zilch, except that pavel Kursa was a programmer at Minelabs and probably met up with Carl Dorsch through that, since Dorsch is a prospector of sorts.

IMO this claim by GeoResonance could be a front for a competing military power in the region wanting to enter India's territory to do a little investigating of their own.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insi...-request-search-sea-missing-malaysia-airlines

 

[Insp.Gadget]

I'm trying to find anything on GeoResonance and the only thing I found on them is the following link

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/sa-business-journal/adelaide-company-georesonance-to-use-former-soviet-union-weapons-technology-to-search-for-for-oil-and-gas-in-sa-qld/story-e6fredel-1226631746538

Info....

GeoResonance Technology - Unique Geophysical Survey:
Web:
http://georesonance.com/
http://georesonance.com/georesonance-geophysical-survey-projects.html

Article about GeoResonance:
"Adelaide company GeoResonance to use former Soviet Union weapons technology
to search for for oil and gas in SA, Qld."
"GeoResonance managing director Pavel Kursa". Mr Kursa, who has been in and out of Australia since 1998,
said he was not a scientist or physicist
but had received military education and had specialised in radar technology in his now-home country Ukraine.
April 29, 2013:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/busin...nd-gas-in-sa-qld/story-e6fredel-1226631746538

 

[Steely Dan]

So now they're doubting it crashed into the water again? :tantrum: