Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #4

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It was your post! :blushing: Thread 2 #606.

I was looking for the screen grab from the CNN broadcast! :facepalm:

Here is the best I can do, since quoting is a bit tricky from a closed thread:

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Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
But a new, unconfirmed theory surfaced Tuesday that suggested the jet had veered off course, ending up in the Malacca Strait. Reuters news agency, citing an unidentified Malaysian military source, said the plane flew across the Malaysian peninsula in its final minutes, where it was picked up by military radar. Malaysian media reported that some residents spotted a plane flying at about 3,000 feet — 10 times lower than cruising altitude — near the eastern city of Kota Bharu.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

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kimi_SFC:
Here is an image from the quoted story Elley Mae posted (:tyou: Elley Mae!!!)

[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/MalaysiaRange_zpsc8ba3e1e.jpg.html][/URL]



ETA: here is the URL to the full size image to see the detail more clearly
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...c_graphic.html
 
more thinking....is Nanning within the four hours???

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanning_Wuxu_International_Airport"]Nanning Wuxu International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


ETA: awhile back, another poster mentioned that China was not providing the info concerning the "wreckage" images to its people...info came from CNN broadcast
 
If this plane flew for four more hours then wow. Puts the scope of the search way more bigger. Honestly the pilot must be responsible. Its the only thing that makes sense now. Hes the only one who can put the aircraft in a mode so it cannot be tracked. Why though would a pilot do such a thing though? what could be the motive?
 
Why would the terrorists keep the people alive? I feel like the days of hijackings with no victims are over. Apparently, they were pretty common in the early 1970's.

For power in any negotiations, for ransom, for human trafficking...?
 
They have phones in China.

If it was there, we would know.

I shudder to think what they want this plane for.

You can't take liquid on planes so hopefulltno explosives were used, the plane has been delivered to a remote area with the pilots forced to navigate...or perhaps force wax only needed for the captain. :(

So. Now someone has a plane and 286 souls at their disposal.

I wonder why no ones taken responsibility yet - or maybe they have, we just don't know about it.
 
does anyone know if Nanning is in the area the Uigher terrorists are fighting for????

here we go mind ticking over at a million miles an hour..

I believe they are primarily in northwest China
 
For that to be true, we once again have to accept that it was just a tremendous coincidence that the transponder was turned off and the plane was lost to radar as it was passing from Malaysian to Vietnamese controlled airspace.

I personally think it's possible that they accidentally shut off the transponder when trying to send out an alert. :twocents:

My two theories are:

1. Hijacking to steal the plane and use it later. (No clue where they landed or where the passengers are.)

2. Decompression or a similar issue...
Pilots realize it and drop like a rock intentionally (oxygen masks won't drop till 13,000 feet.)
They get to 10,000 feet or whatever then hit the auto pilot and try to send a distress signal with the transponder.
But they are already disoriented and accidentally shut off the transponder then lose consciousness.
Then the plane flies on auto pilot until it runs out of fuel and crashes into the East China Sea or somewhere over there.

I am not sure which I'd prefer if I was a passenger on the plane...
 
If this plane flew for four more hours then wow. Puts the scope of the search way more bigger. Honestly the pilot must be responsible. Its the only thing that makes sense now. Hes the only one who can put the aircraft in a mode so it cannot be tracked. Why though would a pilot do such a thing though? what could be the motive?

Agree. And that's why he had such a sophisticated simulator set up in his house. Possibly to practice flying under the radar & landing in weird places. Authorities need to look at that equipment stat!!
 
But it wasn't full. I remember because it started about a 6 hour flight with 8 hours of fuel.
I didn't think that was nearly enough... I'd want a few hours of spare fuel if I was a pilot.
So it should have had about 7 hours of fuel after it dropped below the radar. :twocents:

It's doubtful that the plane flew for exactly 4 hours on the dot, that's probably a rounded figure. Perhaps it was as much as 4 and a half hours, or as few as 3 and a half hours. Would 4:30 put the plane in Pakistan?
 
Its looking more and more like hijack.

This is good news for the families.

I pray these people are OK.

The Australian govt told us a while ago the next terrorist attack was expected to be Malaysia.

They have a large Islamic community.

Wow! ....regarding Australian govt predicting next terror attack could be Malaysia! :what:
 
I am not sure what can cause a plane to implode at 35,000 feet, besides a major catastrophe.

I hope to get on this quickly, so no other catastrophe's like this happen.

It could be a combination of mechanical failure and pilot error. :moo:

I'm sure they will.
But I'm also not worried. Commercial jets are impeccably crafted and maintained. This is one of the safest planes that exist. The probability of a disaster like this happening the in the future for the exact same reasons this one did (whatever those reasons may be), is about) .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

Maybe it took time for the objects to float to the surface since I would think it hitting water at that speed would be like driving into a concrete wall. :waitasec:

True. We have to rem,ember, it took five days for the Air France wreckage to be located. It was deep within a trench in the sea.

So what happened to the theory that the plane may have u-turned and traveled in the opposite direction for miles? How could they possibly be so wrong about that? And CNN is reporting that no compilation of the wreckage would be as large as the satellite pics show, so what the heck would be that large?

I now wonder if the wrong info. was released by Malaysia Air so they could scour the more likely locations in private, hopefully to find the wreckage and make "determinations" about the cause before anyone else could.

I don't know what the heck is going on. But I sure hope there aren't people barely hanging onto life holding onto the wing of an airplane desperately waiting for someone to save them. If a plane went down and the pilot was able to do a soft landing on water, there could have been survivors hanging on to plane parts.

Here you have a US naval commander who is on a search vessel, deployed, watching CNN to get info!! That's insane.

Bedtime...prayers for their progress tonight. Hopefully in the morning there will be something known. Ciao for now.

Sadly, the probability that there was a soft landing on water in such a case as this seems like an impossibility to me. The only soft water landing in a jet that size that I've heard of is the Hudson river landing. But that plane was at a vastly lower altitude (around 1,600 ft.) than this one and going much slower. And they had a ton of time to review emergency manuals and radio for help.

Yes, I would think so.

"The behavior of the 27-year-old co-pilot of the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 has been questioned as it has emerged that he had once invited teenage girls inside the cockpit and smoked during the flight.
The incident took place in 2011 in an international flight.
Jonti Roos, one of the South African tourists who were invited inside the cockpit, told Australia's Channel 9 that the pilots were smoking and were also posing for photos. The teenage girls stayed inside the cockpit for the entire duration of the flight.
Both smoking and passengers visiting the cockpit are strictly prohibited in most of the airlines, including Malaysia Airlines."

Source: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/5...ines-mh370-copilot-smoked-flirted-cockpit.htm

I flew in the cockpit and landed in it, flying from Seville to Madrid, in 2008. It was a trip. Incredible. I was invited mid-way between the flight, after we had gotten to cruising altitude, because I had been scared as can be during an intense take-off during a violent storm. Once we leveled out, they invited me up. They opened the cockpit door and let me in. I was strapped into a seat that had like six point belts. Like a roller coaster almost. Belts came down over my shoulders and across my waist. At first, I was shocked and scared. I could see everything. Then, as we began to descend, it was like a Disneyland ride. Just incredibly beautiful. I've never seen nothing like it.

(BTW, this is the second time my fear of flying had gotten me into the cockpit. The first time was Air New Zealand, coming back from New Zealand. I rode in their for about an hour. We were flying over Fiji at night. (I also got bumped to first class during the last third of the flight due to extreme turbulence and my panic, but I didn't enjoy it at all). That was in 1996).

Post 9-11, it still happens.

The sun has been up for almost 2 hours over there now..... you would think if the searching vessels (and their respective countries) took the China report seriously, they would send their vessels there ASAP! It seems to my simple common sense mind that they could have started heading that way even during the night....these photos have been released for hours now. If my family member were on that flight I'd be screaming at someone to go look NOW!!!

Heck, it seems they could send a jet aircraft to fly over the pin pointed area and tell if they see the debris...they keep saying it is "so large" and perhaps even too large to be the aircraft.

I hope this is something...but based on just how things have gone up to this point - I'm not feeling very hopeful.:banghead:

Yeah, I really don;t get this at all. they have the exact satellite coordinates. How hard can it be?

They are saying on CNN right now that the Malaysian's are sending aircraft there now to check out the image?

Why not hours ago?

I don't think the villagers saw something only because yesterday, all reports said -the plane made a U-turn.

I also discount people saying a life raft, and a dead body was found. I think that came from reports that the plane went down in the Malacca Straight.

15 minutes of fame and all that.... :twocents:

I agree, since the plane was last radared at cruising altitude, 572 miles p/h and there is, apparently, nothing to show why it disappeared or that it turned around. If it did and was gliding low off the coast of Vietnam, to land, I think it would've been spotted by radar as it turned and began to descend, would've transmitted ACARS info., and they would;ve radioed for help.

according the the new information and this map it looks like the current is moving south into the Java Sea towards Indonesia

https://www.google.ca/search?q=gulf...0-search-explained-in-two-graphics%2F;553;369

AI-CH192A_MALPR_G_20140310151753.jpg

That is a great map. Thank you!

This is what I did (not sure if it's been posted on this thread yet - we discussed it last night on the previous thread):

Guy on oil rig who wrote letter:

- last speed: 471 knots
- distance between two points: 586.5 km (316.85 nm)
- time at same speed: .67 hours = ~ 40 minutes
- last communication per Malaysian airline on radar: ~1:30am
- est arrival time at that point: ~2:10am

(coordinates changed from degrees to metric)

the pic below has oil rig and drift and chinese objects in it. maybe someone can resize it and upload..or add to belimom's map?

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=109874&filename=phpHJiv11.jpeg

Seems right, no? Current could've caused drift?

Here's the map with boundaries for who is responsible for what part of all that water. I think it is too big to post as is.

http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/images/pdf_capture/singapore-srr.jpg

So, it's Singapore and Indonesia that are mostly responsible for the area in question/
 
If this plane flew for four more hours then wow. Puts the scope of the search way more bigger. Honestly the pilot must be responsible. Its the only thing that makes sense now. Hes the only one who can put the aircraft in a mode so it cannot be tracked. Why though would a pilot do such a thing though? what could be the motive?

7 virgins are waiting for him in heaven.:scared:
 
Newley Purnell ‏@newley 36s

Our latest: U.S. investigators think #MH370 stayed in the air about 4 hours past last confirmed location.

https://twitter.com/newley


Deb Price ‏@bydebprice 4s

Not clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism, espionage for #MH370 disappearance.

https://twitter.com/bydebprice


(Gitana is about to realize this thread exploded while she was typing her response!) :seeya:
 
Was it ever mentioned how long the pilot had the flight simulator in his home?

I don't remember...

but I am seriously hoping for a report on the investigation into the pilot's home... And flight simulators.... And soon!

:waiting:
 
If this plane flew for four more hours then wow. Puts the scope of the search way more bigger. Honestly the pilot must be responsible. Its the only thing that makes sense now. Hes the only one who can put the aircraft in a mode so it cannot be tracked. Why though would a pilot do such a thing though? what could be the motive?

Could be a simple as he had a gun to his head.
 
This is the first thing that came from the USA.
I am going to believe it over the other things we've heard...
Everything else has been said, then retracted, then changed, then redacted...
I'm going with the USA on this one until they prove I shouldn't. :twocents:


Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 1h

BREAKING WSJ EXCLUSIVE: Engine monitoring data shows missing 777 was airborne for five hours -sources #MH370

https://twitter.com/jonostrower
 
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